Words and Sacraments

by Helen Colwell Adams

Preaching without preaching

June 27th, 2008 1:45 pm · 11 comments

Christianity Today interviews Andrew Stanton, director of the new Pixar flick “Wall-E,” about faith in Hollywood:

Some Christians want more “message movies,” and they want them to be movies where the gospel is preached loud and clear. But when movies get too driven by their agenda, you often end up with a crummy movie, and …

Stanton: Yeah, I’m right with you on that.

But guys like you and others at Pixar, and other Christians like Scott Derrickson and Ralph Winter, are bringing biblical themes into the movies without making them feel “preachy.” Where are you on all of that thinking?

Stanton: I agree with what you said. Just because you’re strong in your faith doesn’t mean that you suddenly have to be dumb and pander to a certain audience. When did that become a rule? I think you were given a brain to use it, and I think you were given talents to use it.

It’s about communicating your values without whacking people over the head with them … for Christians in the entertainment media, though, taking this tack can get ‘em in trouble with church people who expect Christians to make only “Christian” entertainment.

But the fact that Christians have retreated to our subculture of Christian music, Christian movies, Christian books, Christian radio, only means that mainstream culture doesn’t come into contact with our values in the marketplace of ideas. We’ve ceded all that cultural ground to other viewpoints and values.

So non-Christians assume stuff about us. (I’m thinking of this TalkBack thread about kids waving their arms in the air at the Witness Festival. Good grief, this is exactly what you’ll find at any secular rock concert — so what makes Christian kids mindless zombies? Nothing except assumptions.)

C.S. Lewis was right: What the world needs is not more Christian writers — or artists or musicians or filmmakers — but more writers and artists and musicians and filmmakers who are Christian.

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Scout
6/27/08
3:42 PM
But most people in the entertainment industry are gay and therefore can't be Christians rolleyes.gif

Wasn't there one of your blogs (maybe it was someone else, but I am thinking it was Words and Sacraments) not too long ago about churches becoming too secular in trying to reach the non-christian community? Reminds me of the same thing ... watering down the gospel to make it more palatable to people. This isn't a criticism, by any means. Touch people, and plant that tiny little mustard seed any way you can. People then have the free will to look deeper for themselves. You can lead someone to find Christ and give them tools, but only they are responsible for developing their personal relationship with Him.

hadams
6/27/08
4:15 PM
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Wasn't there one of your blogs (maybe it was someone else, but I am thinking it was Words and Sacraments) not too long ago about churches becoming too secular in trying to reach the non-christian community?


Probably was me--sounds like something of mine!

Especially in entertainment media, I think it's important for Christians to be part of the cultural conversation. But we can do this without being "preachy."

And you are quite right--Christians can plant a seed, but we do not "save" people. (That would be the Holy Spirit's job!)

Paul Sweedlepipe
6/27/08
4:41 PM
QUOTE(hadams @ Jun 27 2008, 01:15 PM) [snapback]405848[/snapback]

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[size=1]Probably was me--sounds like something of mine!


Especially in entertainment media, I think it's important for Christians to be part of the cultural conversation. But we can do this without being "preachy."

And you are quite right--Christians can plant a seed, but we do not "save" people. (That would be the Holy Spirit's job!)


Do you also think it's important for Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, and others to be part of the "cultural conversation" in entertainment media?

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But the fact that Christians have retreated to our subculture of Christian music, Christian movies, Christian books, Christian radio, only means that mainstream culture doesn’t come into contact with our values in the marketplace of ideas. We’ve ceded all that cultural ground to other viewpoints and values.

I find your word choice interesting. "Cede" means to give somebody control of something or give them power, a right, etc, especially unwillingly. What "other viewpoints and values" have usurped your christian ideals and forced you into the status of "subculture"?
dragonrider
6/27/08
4:52 PM
QUOTE(Paul Sweedlepipe @ Jun 27 2008, 04:41 PM) [snapback]405855[/snapback]


Do you also think it's important for Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, and others to be part of the "cultural conversation" in entertainment media?

Probably not as I remember when the Golden Compass came out the articles pointing out how this movie was delivering a message not in keeping with Christianity , the same with Harry Potter.
AngelFace
6/27/08
6:17 PM
QUOTE(Paul Sweedlepipe @ Jun 27 2008, 04:41 PM) [snapback]405855[/snapback]

Do you also think it's important for Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, and others to be part of the "cultural conversation" in entertainment media?
I find your word choice interesting. "Cede" means to give somebody control of something or give them power, a right, etc, especially unwillingly. What "other viewpoints and values" have usurped your christian ideals and forced you into the status of "subculture"?


Maybe your question was asked of Helen Adams, in which case I hope she shares her viewpoint.

To me, "cede" is not necessarily UNwilling. I think the quote refers to Christians being just more comfortable creating their own venues -- from Christian schools to concerts to books/bookstores -- because it is easier and less conflict, and frankly less hard work!

I think the viewpoints and values are secular, materialism, fame&fortune, eat/drink/be merry because this is all there is, and if it feels good, do it. I am not saying it is right to withdraw or enjoy a separate Christian culture, but it is easier to take your kids to see a Narnia flick or go to Creation '08, than take them to a teeny-bopper rock concert and then have to explain why you don't want them to dress in skimpy/revealing clothes like the other kids, or see R rated movies. When cuss words are every other word in some venues -- some of the local carnivals come to mind at LCHS or Buchanan Park -- it is tough on parents with younger kids.
Paul Sweedlepipe
6/27/08
6:42 PM
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 27 2008, 03:17 PM) [snapback]405870[/snapback]

To me, "cede" is not necessarily UNwilling.


according to the Oxford dictionary it is. That's where I doublechecked the definition before writing that post.

QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 27 2008, 03:17 PM) [snapback]405870[/snapback]

I think the quote refers to Christians being just more comfortable creating their own venues -- from Christian schools to concerts to books/bookstores -- because it is easier and less conflict, and frankly less hard work!


if you're correct, I think that's fine. But I get the impression from her article that she thinks it should be an integral part of mainstream media.
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 27 2008, 03:17 PM) [snapback]405870[/snapback]

I think the viewpoints and values are secular, materialism, fame&fortune, eat/drink/be merry because this is all there is, and if it feels good, do it. I am not saying it is right to withdraw or enjoy a separate Christian culture, but it is easier to take your kids to see a Narnia flick or go to Creation '08, than take them to a teeny-bopper rock concert and then have to explain why you don't want them to dress in skimpy/revealing clothes like the other kids, or see R rated movies. When cuss words are every other word in some venues -- some of the local carnivals come to mind at LCHS or Buchanan Park -- it is tough on parents with younger kids.


Come on - a carnival?! That doesn't sound like a religious issue to me, but just being able to select activities that are in good taste. A person doesn't need to go to something specifically christian themed to get quality entertainment. christian organizations aren't the only ones capable of offering those kinds of venues, outlets, etc.

AngelFace
6/27/08
8:15 PM
QUOTE(Paul Sweedlepipe @ Jun 27 2008, 06:42 PM) [snapback]405874[/snapback]

according to the Oxford dictionary it is. That's where I doublechecked the definition before writing that post.



if you're correct, I think that's fine. But I get the impression from her article that she thinks it should be an integral part of mainstream media.


Come on - a carnival?! That doesn't sound like a religious issue to me, but just being able to select activities that are in good taste. A person doesn't need to go to something specifically christian themed to get quality entertainment. christian organizations aren't the only ones capable of offering those kinds of venues, outlets, etc.


Look, we are having a discussion, don't go ballistic. I am NOT questioning the morality of a carnival. I was saying that at the carnival I took niece and 2 nephews, (and I will say, it was a hot night [weather!]), there were a lot of hot pants type shorts, halter/bra tops, a surprising amount of F-words on and coming off the rides, and an abundance of public displays of affection that were a whole lot more than just kissing. I am no prude, and when it is just me plus better half, we don't even notice that stuff. Somehow being with 8,10, 11 yr. olds and having one ask what a particular profanity MEANT, put things in a new light.
dragonrider
6/27/08
8:22 PM
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 27 2008, 08:15 PM) [snapback]405883[/snapback]


Look, we are having a discussion, don't go ballistic. I am NOT questioning the morality of a carnival. I was saying that at the carnival I took niece and 2 nephews, (and I will say, it was a hot night [weather!]), there were a lot of hot pants type shorts, halter/bra tops, a surprising amount of F-words on and coming off the rides, and an abundance of public displays of affection that were a whole lot more than just kissing. I am no prude, and when it is just me plus better half, we don't even notice that stuff. Somehow being with 8,10, 11 yr. olds and having one ask what a particular profanity MEANT, put things in a new light.
Wether christian or not the courseness that has become american culture is disconcerting to some of us. Wether its inappropriate dress, blue jeans where dress is appropriate, too much showing of skin, course language as if they have never stepped into a public english classroom, PDA's that border on pornographic. We really need to get back to a culture that has a level of decorum, that knows shouting into a cell phone while in line to buy some hohos is rude and uncultured.
hadams
6/27/08
8:59 PM
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Do you also think it's important for Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, and others to be part of the "cultural conversation" in entertainment media?


Everyone gets to be part of the conversation, if they so choose. The point for Christians is that by withdrawing into a subculture, we miss the opportunity to make our case to the broader culture.

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"Cede" means to give somebody control of something or give them power, a right, etc, especially unwillingly. What "other viewpoints and values" have usurped your christian ideals and forced you into the status of "subculture"?


My Webster's defines "cede" as "to give up one's rights." Christians voluntarily give up our rights to be part of that conversation by isolating ourselves in a subculture (especially entertainment, but there are other examples) because it's "safer" than mainstream culture. No one forced us there--we went there all by ourselves. I would argue that being "safe," though, is not what Jesus was about.

I'm not suggesting Christian values are the only ones that deserve a place in the culture. In a free marketplace of ideas, though, we ought to be presenting our views (gently and respectfully--that's what the New Testament advises us to do) so others can weigh them and decide for themselves.

As Scout pointed out earlier in another context, a decision on faith is one that each person has to make -- freely.


tugrad
6/27/08
9:43 PM
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 27 2008, 08:15 PM) [snapback]405883[/snapback]

Look, we are having a discussion, don't go ballistic. I am NOT questioning the morality of a carnival. I was saying that at the carnival I took niece and 2 nephews, (and I will say, it was a hot night [weather!]), there were a lot of hot pants type shorts, halter/bra tops, a surprising amount of F-words on and coming off the rides, and an abundance of public displays of affection that were a whole lot more than just kissing. I am no prude, and when it is just me plus better half, we don't even notice that stuff. Somehow being with 8,10, 11 yr. olds and having one ask what a particular profanity MEANT, put things in a new light.

I'm not Christian and this stuff bothers me. I do think that having children with you makes you look at things from a child's perspective. You start to think about what they are seeing and how you are going to explain it so that they understand some people behave in ways that we (our family) doesn't.
AngelFace
6/27/08
10:58 PM
QUOTE(tugrad @ Jun 27 2008, 09:43 PM) [snapback]405895[/snapback]

I'm not Christian and this stuff bothers me. I do think that having children with you makes you look at things from a child's perspective. You start to think about what they are seeing and how you are going to explain it so that they understand some people behave in ways that we (our family) doesn't.



My kids are grown and on their own. This was an interesting experience since seeing the evening through the children's eyes I was suddenly I guess hyper-aware of things that, as an adult I just kind of ignored or had gotten used to. A wake up call for ME, I think!
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