The Carrie Prejean of politics

November 18th, 2009 10:26 am · 45 comments

Hm. Media Matters points out that in addition to Sarah Palin’s running shorts, that Newsweek cover features a headline - “How do you solve a problem like Sarah?” - that’s actually pinched from Sound of Music, “in which nuns fret about ‘how’ to ’solve a problem like Maria,’ a ‘girl’ who ‘climbs trees’ and whose ‘dress has a tear.’ “

OK, so maybe there’s something to the right-wing whinging this time around after all.

Of course, given their opposition to women’s reproductive freedom - and their penchant for doing things like this - Republican complaints about sexism tend to ring just a tad hollow. Add to this something Sullivan wrote yesterday, after noting an ABC News/Washington Post poll showing Palin had a higher approval rating among men than women:

Because they are not blinded by starbursts. Women always saw through Palin in ways that men didn’t. That was most evident in the vice-presidential debate. Because many (straight) men found it hard to see past the b**bs. Let’s face it: if Palin looked like Golda Meir, there’s no chance McCain would have picked her. And no one would currently give a damn. She is the Carrie Prejean of politics; and like the Ailes-tested fembots on Fox News. Women are not so dumb as to buy it. Men: well we all know what our weak spot is. We do not always think with our heads.

Emphasis added. But hardly necessary.

Palin’s appeal is both visual and cultural. It isn’t intellectual. It isn’t in her grasp of policy. It isn’t in her vision for the country. She exhibits no real leadership skills. But she likes the celebrity aspect of politics; and, as Christopher Hitchens writes in that dodgy Newsweek, she’s the ultimate empty vessel:

But the problem with populism is not just that it stirs prejudice against the “big cities” where most Americans actually live, or against the academies where many of them would like to send their children. No, the difficulty with populism is that it exploits the very “people” to whose grievances it claims to give vent.  …

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If she were ever to get herself to the nation’s capital, the teabaggers would be just as much on the outside as they are now, and would simply have been the instruments that helped get her elected. In my own not-all-that-humble opinion, duping the hicks is a degree or two worse than condescending to them. It’s also much more dangerous, because it meanwhile involves giving a sort of respectability to ideas that were discredited when William Jennings Bryan was last on the stump. The Weekly Standard (itself not exactly a prairie-based publication) might want to think twice before flirting with popular delusions and resentments that are as impossible to satisfy as the demand for a silver standard or a ban on the teaching of Darwin, and are for that very reason hard to tamp down. Many of Palin’s admirers seem to expect that, on receipt of the Republican Party nomination, she would immediately embark on a crusade against Wall Street and the banks. This notion is stupid to much the same degree that it is irresponsible.

Disagree with the last few sentences - from what I’ve been able to see, Palin’s supporters really don’t care about the banks; in fact, they’d give the banks more power by scrapping government regulation of them. What they want is to stick it to the liberals - in the same sense that the kid in high school who gets picked on wants to stick it to the bullies. It’s this fervent, cherished dream; but what does it mean? How would Sarah Palin “stick it” to the liberals?

And the answer, as Hitchens notes, is - however the Weekly Standard and Wall Street Journal, and Bill Kristol and maybe Karl Rove - want her to.

And guess what: That doesn’t improve her supporters’ lot in life. But at this point, I suspect they’re willing to trade lower incomes and less job security if they’d just get the chance to plant their flag of cultural hegemony.

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Goldilocks
11/18/09
10:14 AM
QUOTE
Palin’s appeal is both visual and cultural. It isn’t intellectual. It isn’t in her grasp of policy. It isn’t in her vision for the country. She exhibits no real leadership skills. But she likes the celebrity aspect of politics; and, as Christopher Hitchens writes in that dodgy Newsweek, she’s the ultimate empty vessel:




Good gracious I would have though you are talking about our current President.

-His appeal is both visual (his race did alot in getting him elected) and cultural, (came from a poor family, raised by a single mom).
-No leadership skills, he has charisma, though.
-The ultimate empty vessel and very lacking in smarts and intellect.

One thing he does have, is a grasp on policy in making us a socialist nation.





Bouquet
11/18/09
10:32 AM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-The ultimate empty vessel and very lacking in smarts and intellect.

He has a degree from Columbia University, Harvard Law School, was president of the Harvard Law Review, and taught constitutional law at The University of Chicago Law School.

You must have a great educational resume to call that "very lacking in smarts and intellect."

I'd be interested in hearing what's on your diplomas.
Goldilocks
11/18/09
10:34 AM
QUOTE (Bouquet @ Nov 18 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He has a degree from Columbia University, Harvard Law School, was president of the Harvard Law Review, and taught constitutional law at The University of Chicago Law School.

You must have a great educational resume to call that "very lacking in smarts and intellect."

I'd be interested in hearing what's on your diplomas.


LOl.. having lots of degrees doesn't make one smart. I would say he is educated beyond his intellect.

Bouquet
11/18/09
10:47 AM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOl.. having lots of degrees doesn't make one smart.


...so says a person without one.
Goldilocks
11/18/09
10:49 AM
QUOTE (Bouquet @ Nov 18 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...so says a person without one.


I am not the president of the United States, either.


mnepats52
11/18/09
10:51 AM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good gracious I would have though you are talking about our current President.

-His appeal is both visual (his race did alot in getting him elected)


because lots of blacks have been elected president?..

lol..


QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-No leadership skills, he has charisma, though.


um...part of getting people to follow you means you have a certain amount of charisma..


QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
--The ultimate empty vessel and very lacking in smarts and intellect.


and that is why no one trusts conservatives...
Bouquet
11/18/09
10:56 AM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not the president of the United States, either.


You're just a good judge of who is "very lacking in smarts and intellect" I guess.
harv1
11/18/09
11:08 AM
Anyone notice how the moral bandwagonners for Carrie Prejean have quietly abandoned her "cause?"
mnepats52
11/18/09
11:15 AM
QUOTE (harv1 @ Nov 18 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone notice how the moral bandwagonners for Carrie Prejean have quietly abandoned her "cause?"


Congressman: Prejean Should Be a Politician

[Carrie] has the ability to draw crowds and if she has a strong message to go with that, who knows what she can do? She has star power which can open doors.

We’ve all made mistakes when we were 17.

[The sex tape] is going to be an impediment, but people are excited about her convictions and her beliefs.

- Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/17/congressman-...e-a-politician/
harv1
11/18/09
11:36 AM
"Congressman: Prejean Should Be a Politician

[Carrie] has the ability to draw crowds and if she has a strong message to go with that, who knows what she can do? She has star power which can open doors.

We’ve all made mistakes when we were 17.

[The sex tape] is going to be an impediment, but people are excited about her convictions and her beliefs.

- Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT)"

This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to point out. The absolutism goes out the window and stupid comes in the door. I am sure that if Rep. Chaffetz was asked to vote on whether making and distributing pornographic images by a minor was a criminal act, he would be the first to vote "yea" on the bill. What a maroon...
clanker
11/18/09
11:49 AM
Washington

Here’s one big reason why Sarah Palin may not run for president in 2012: Her poll numbers are awful.

It’s possible for determined politicians to reverse poor ratings of public opinion. Hillary Clinton has done it, to a certain degree. And some experts say Ms. Palin’s current situation is similar to that faced by Secretary of State Clinton in the past.

But, still … 66 percent of respondents to a CBS News survey released Monday said they did not want Sarah Palin to run for the White House in 2012.

Seventy percent of respondents to a CNN/Opinion Research poll said Palin is not qualified to be president.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/200...e-polls-say-no/


Shucks. Well, I'm still hoping the GOP backs her for a run in 2012 so I can see her quit half way through the campaign.
Bouquet
11/18/09
12:00 PM
QUOTE (clanker @ Nov 18 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But, still … 66 percent of respondents to a CBS News survey released Monday said they did not want Sarah Palin to run for the White House in 2012.


I want her to run and bring Joe the Plumber along with her!
Shawn
11/18/09
12:01 PM
QUOTE (harv1 @ Nov 18 2009, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Congressman: Prejean Should Be a Politician

[Carrie] has the ability to draw crowds and if she has a strong message to go with that, who knows what she can do? She has star power which can open doors.

We've all made mistakes when we were 17.

[The sex tape] is going to be an impediment, but people are excited about her convictions and her beliefs.

- Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT)"

This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to point out. The absolutism goes out the window and stupid comes in the door. I am sure that if Rep. Chaffetz was asked to vote on whether making and distributing pornographic images by a minor was a criminal act, he would be the first to vote "yea" on the bill. What a maroon...


Come on now, take it easy on the guy. Thats just how he was raised. His parents raised him to be a moron, and Prejean's parents raised her to be an amateur pornographer.

Later...Shawn
eaglerick
11/18/09
12:01 PM
Sorry, as soon as you use the euphemism "women's reproductive rights" for murder you lose me. I have no allusions she will be nor do I desire to see her become president.

I do not think she has the ability to lead where she has already created so many divisions, regardless of what I think her intellectual capabilities are (or are not).

However, it seems her opponents are yelling louder than her supporters in trying to shout down this "non-threat" to Obama or the Dem Party? How about a video about how "Outraged" dems are about this "non-factor".

And how come there is no "Outrage" over Newsweek "stealing" Runner's Worlds copyrighted material in order to again portray themselves as slaying the great dragon Sarah Palin in order to fill there depleated coffers.... Seems capitalism goes both ways....
harv1
11/18/09
12:06 PM
eaglerick: I believe that Newsweek purchased the rights to use the Runner's World photo.

That being said, I agree that the photo choice was snarky and inappropriate.
clanker
11/18/09
12:21 PM
But ... but it's a patriotic photo. She's posing next to a flag draped over a chair.
Goldilocks
11/18/09
12:40 PM
QUOTE (eaglerick @ Nov 18 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, as soon as you use the euphemism "women's reproductive rights" for murder you lose me. I have no allusions she will be nor do I desire to see her become president.

I do not think she has the ability to lead where she has already created so many divisions, regardless of what I think her intellectual capabilities are (or are not).

However, it seems her opponents are yelling louder than her supporters in trying to shout down this "non-threat" to Obama or the Dem Party? How about a video about how "Outraged" dems are about this "non-factor".

And how come there is no "Outrage" over Newsweek "stealing" Runner's Worlds copyrighted material in order to again portray themselves as slaying the great dragon Sarah Palin in order to fill there depleated coffers.... Seems capitalism goes both ways....


I agree, she is not presidential material. So then, why are her opponents making such a big deal bashing her?
clanker
11/18/09
12:45 PM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree, she is not presidential material. So then, why are her opponents making such a big deal bashing her?


Because she's an easy target? Besides, there's still some people who believe in her and it's fun to take a poke at them. Also, she represents the hollowed-out American values portion of the GOP.
Shawn
11/18/09
12:55 PM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree, she is not presidential material. So then, why are her opponents making such a big deal bashing her?


Honestly? Because a lesson was learned in regards to Dubya. Maybe if his opponets had made a bigger deal out of him not being presidential material, we could have avoided having him as president for 8 years. Palin would be Dubya part Duex. We tried stupid and folksy. It didn't work.

Later...Shawn
eaglerick
11/18/09
1:03 PM
QUOTE (Shawn @ Nov 18 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly? Because a lesson was learned in regards to Dubya. Maybe if his opponets had made a bigger deal out of him not being presidential material, we could have avoided having him as president for 8 years. Palin would be Dubya part Duex. We tried stupid and folksy. It didn't work.

Later...Shawn


has nothing to do with GWB and everything to do with BHO. Its a shell game where the Palin pea is uncovered and the Obama pea goes around the table (Asia) unnoticed.... JMO
Shawn
11/18/09
1:04 PM
QUOTE (eaglerick @ Nov 18 2009, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
has nothing to do with GWB and everything to do with BHO. Its a shell game where the Palin pea is uncovered and the Obama pea goes around the table (Asia) unnoticed.... JMO


No, I noticed he is in Asia. I'm able to focus on more than one thing at a time.

Later...Shawn
spaylady
11/18/09
1:28 PM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree, she is not presidential material. So then, why are her opponents making such a big deal bashing her?



Probably because she pens a book, goes on a book tour and has been seen on all these interview shows since.

I do have to thank her though for taking the spotlight off the Gossellins atleast for a while!
She and Carrie Prejean, that is!
justplainjoe
11/18/09
5:41 PM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree, she is not presidential material. So then, why are her opponents making such a big deal bashing her?



ummm it is the mccain campain that is bashing her for all her lies. why does she lie so much? here i thought she claimed to love jesus.
i guess that means either she is a liar or al the folks on mccains team are lying.
"get her off the stage"
Goldilocks
11/18/09
7:32 PM
QUOTE (justplainjoe @ Nov 18 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ummm it is the mccain campain that is bashing her for all her lies. why does she lie so much? here i thought she claimed to love jesus.
i guess that means either she is a liar or al the folks on mccains team are lying.
"get her off the stage"


One of the Aids went on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's show. LOL...that says it all. skunk.gif skunk.gif
Bustina di tè
11/19/09
12:32 AM
At least Sarah Palin comes right out and sticks her foot in her mouth, unlike the weaselly words and deeds emanating from the Democrat Party.
Thanks to Pelosi going back on her word about not allowing amendments Brad Stupak (D-Coathanger) stuck in that provision that goes further than the Hyde amendment ever hoped.

Gee,Joe, McCain's aids will be looking for work come 2012 running some republican's presidential campaign, how else to explain their failure to get their boss elected that to blame it on a woman?
justplainjoe
11/19/09
3:17 AM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 18 2009, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One of the Aids went on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's show. LOL...that says it all. skunk.gif skunk.gif


so then all those mccain people are lying and palin is telling the truth?
because one of them was on a ,gasp ,liberals show?
ummmm why isn't this saintly woman out there turning the other cheek, like jesus commanded, instead of being vindictive and settling old scores?
i guess you can tell a tree by it's fruit.
or in this case it's nut.LOL
anyway, it is easy to check on what a follower of jesus would do, and she ain't doing it, so why do so many conclude she is a follower of jesus?
heelllooooo????????

QUOTE (Bustina di tè @ Nov 19 2009, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gee,Joe, McCain's aids will be looking for work come 2012 running some republican's presidential campaign, how else to explain their failure to get their boss elected that to blame it on a woman?


palin is an idiot. to say that she is not soley because she is a woman is sexist.
mccain picked the idiot out of pure cynicism. too bad he was so far out of touch with reality that he couldn't foresee the need for a running mate with brain.
mccain lost because he is another moron. a war hero but a moron.
of course he blamed palin...it is her fault that she is a babbling , cackling idiot. it's not his fault for picking her out of cynicism.
Kate
11/19/09
6:57 AM
http://video.foxnews.com/11729698/dangerous-path

Watch this "idiot" intelligently debate and converse with Sean Hannity. I know, you libs do not deem FOX News as legitmate news.

I challenge all of you to watch this interview and re-think your judgements against Palin.

If someone could post this video you tube style I would greatly appreciate it.
skeptic2
11/19/09
7:08 AM
QUOTE (Kate @ Nov 19 2009, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://video.foxnews.com/11729698/dangerous-path Watch this &quot;idiot&quot; intelligently debate and converse with Sean Hannity. I know, you libs do not deem FOX News as legitimate news. I challenge all of you to watch this interview and re-think your judgments against Palin. If someone could post this video you tube style I would greatly appreciate it.
Look up video of a debate when Palin was running for governor. Her delivery style was different, she wasn't so shrill and she didn't say "nucular". Your guess is as good as mine as to which is the real Sarah Palin and whether she has changed deliberately to appeal to a certain type of voter. Some of us have said she's not yet qualified to be president and that she has said dumb things without calling her an idiot. I certainly object to a strategy where disdain for experts and education is expressed in order to be more likable.
justplainjoe
11/19/09
7:16 AM
QUOTE (Kate @ Nov 19 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://video.foxnews.com/11729698/dangerous-path

Watch this "idiot" intelligently debate and converse with Sean Hannity. I know, you libs do not deem FOX News as legitmate news.

I challenge all of you to watch this interview and re-think your judgements against Palin.

If someone could post this video you tube style I would greatly appreciate it.


debate sean hannity? it was more like a meeting of the mutual admiration society. her threw her softballs and she played the blame game.
wah wah if only the mccain camp allowed her to smear obama with guilt thru association they would have won. sarah knew better , it wasn't her fault, everyone is a liar but her.
well the bottom line is she is lying or the entire mccain camp is lying.
gee sarah wouldn't lie, that would make her cynical.LOL
Shawn
11/19/09
9:40 AM
QUOTE (Kate @ Nov 19 2009, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://video.foxnews.com/11729698/dangerous-path

Watch this "idiot" intelligently debate and converse with Sean Hannity. I know, you libs do not deem FOX News as legitmate news.

I challenge all of you to watch this interview and re-think your judgements against Palin.

If someone could post this video you tube style I would greatly appreciate it.


Hannity? Debate? You don't think she knew full well what questions he was going to ask before hand? Come on now.

Later...Shawn
Kate
11/19/09
12:33 PM
At least Palin doesn't need a teleprompter to get her message across.
clanker
11/19/09
1:28 PM
QUOTE (Kate @ Nov 19 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least Palin doesn't need a teleprompter to get her message across.


What she does need is a link to Snopes.
grieker
11/19/09
1:45 PM
QUOTE (Bouquet @ Nov 18 2009, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want her to run and bring Joe the Plumber along with her!



Nope, gonna be Clinton/Palin independent ticket.
skeptic2
11/19/09
2:07 PM
QUOTE (Kate @ Nov 19 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least Palin doesn't need a teleprompter to get her message across.
Obama went on Bill O'Riley (as did Hillary Clinton). When Palin sits down with Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann, I'll be impressed.
Kate
11/19/09
2:13 PM
QUOTE (grieker @ Nov 19 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nope, gonna be Clinton/Palin independent ticket.

Now that paring would be interesting..............

QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Nov 19 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Obama went on Bill O'Riley (as did Hillary Clinton). When Palin sits down with Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann, I'll be impressed.
Bill O'Reilly is a fair interviewer unlike Matthews or Olberman. I've heard O'Reilly compliment both Obama and Hillary whereas Olbermann has done nothing but snipe at conservatives.

O'Reilly is balanced, Olbermann is not.
mam0412
11/19/09
2:39 PM
QUOTE (Kate @ Nov 19 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
O'Reilly is balanced, Olbermann is not.

No, neither is balanced. O'Reilly is conservative and Olbermann is liberal. They are both on entertainment shows that pretend to be news but they are only opinion shows. And they are both welcome to their opinions.
grieker
11/19/09
2:58 PM
QUOTE (mam0412 @ Nov 19 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, neither is balanced. O'Reilly is conservative and Olbermann is liberal. They are both on entertainment shows that pretend to be news but they are only opinion shows. And they are both welcome to their opinions.


O'Reilly doesn't pretend to present news and says so.

meanwhile...

At least there is a consistancy somewhere: Obama's ratings are heading the same direction as the economy.
justplainjoe
11/19/09
3:00 PM
QUOTE (grieker @ Nov 19 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least there is a consistancy somewhere: Obama's ratings are heading the same direction as the economy.


wow barry's ratings are going up?
grieker
11/19/09
3:40 PM
QUOTE (justplainjoe @ Nov 19 2009, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wow barry's ratings are going up?


yep wink.gif
Goldilocks
11/19/09
6:48 PM
While we are on ratings. Palin gave Hannity the second best rating in 2009.

I can just see The Dolbermann foaming at his mouth.

skeptic2
11/19/09
7:10 PM
QUOTE (Kate @ Nov 19 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now that paring would be interesting.............. Bill O'Reilly is a fair interviewer unlike Matthews or Olberman. I've heard O'Reilly compliment both Obama and Hillary whereas Olbermann has done nothing but snipe at conservatives. O'Reilly is balanced, Olbermann is not.
Keith has had a few guests on in the past few months. They tend to be non-political figures and he is very polite to them. Rachel Maddow has interviewed conservatives- I don't think any would complain about her style of interview. I know that neither program is a completely objective news report, but I would challenge you to find the kind of factual errors that are on Fox (especially Beck) or on Lou Dobbs' CNN TV show.
clanker
11/19/09
7:43 PM
I don't know. O'Reilly is infamous for talking over guests or shouting 'shut up' at them if he doesn't agree with what they say.
Kate
11/19/09
7:54 PM
QUOTE (Goldilocks @ Nov 19 2009, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While we are on ratings. Palin gave Hannity the second best rating in 2009.

I can just see The Dolbermann foaming at his mouth.
I just read that Palin's interview on OPRAH gave that show it's highest rating since 2007.
grieker
11/20/09
8:28 AM
QUOTE (clanker @ Nov 19 2009, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know. O'Reilly is infamous for talking over guests or shouting 'shut up' at them if he doesn't agree with what they say.


Not when he doesn't agree, when the respondent isn't answering the question and talks around the answer.

Some media members (they call some of them journalists) as a question like. "Why haven't you made a decision on Afgan yet?"

The answer would be something like I have been working with my ground generals and I'm getting information. The journalist moves on to another question - never getting a definitive answer.
notveryhow
11/20/09
8:36 AM
QUOTE
I don't know. O'Reilly is infamous for talking over guests or shouting 'shut up' at them if he doesn't agree with what they say.



QUOTE
Not when he doesn't agree, when the respondent isn't answering the question and talks around the answer.



"Shut up" says Bill O'Really, repeatedly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNl6-j9x5w
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