What is a winger?

September 17th, 2009 10:41 am · 84 comments

City, who’s now blogging over at TownHall - a right-wing site - asks the question:

Am I a “winger”?

Well, on the one hand:

•  I don’t think Obama was illegally birthed in Kenya.

• I don’t think Obama is a socialist with a secret agenda to turn America into a Marxist state.

• I don’t think that “Barry” lies to the public at every opportunity.

• I don’t think Nancy Pelosi is a man.

• I don’t think that anyone in government had any thoughts about “death panels”.

• I do think that Sarah Palin is a freaking moron.  And scary beyond all belief.

BUT, on the other hand:

• I do believe that our Federal Government is largely controlled by large corporate interests who care about nothing but profits.

• I do believe that those corporate interests will spare no expense to control our collective “will”.

• I do believe that forces outside the electoral system work daily to consolidate power.

• I do believe that politicians in both sides (remember, there are only two) can be bought and sold.

• I do believe that we are being intentionally pitted against one another.

• I do believe that our freedoms are being taken from us as a part of a larger plan.

But, at the end of the day, does that make me a “winger”, or simply a realist?

Actually, I think it makes you a Naderite.

Look, we use the term “winger” around here quite often. Maybe it’s worth sketching out exactly what I mean by the term.

The term “winger” comes from “right-winger,” which is to say, people at the extreme right fringe of politics. So what do wingers believe?

Based on my interactions with them, and other observations, a winger:

1. Is usually though not always male.

2. Always votes Republican, though there may be times when they don’t vote - discouraged with candidates like McCain, maybe. Would under no circumstances vote for a Democrat ever. Which brings us to…

3. Considers Democrats/liberals to be a threat to America. Actively hates them; indeed, the animating force of their conservatism is a hatred for liberals and liberalism. This is the key point; to be a winger you must personally detest the “Democrat” Party, and want to see it destroyed; you may concede that yes, the Republicans have been a problem too - but in your mind this is because the Republican Party has not been conservative enough.

4. After 8 years of George W. Bush - after several decades of conservative/Republican political ascendency - you resent any suggestion that the problems facing the country have anything to do with conservatism. As we have said so many times around here - those who are so quick to invoke the idea of personal responsibility take none whatsoever.

5. You watch Fox, you listen to Rush, you are a big fan of Glenn Beck and web sites like… TownHall. But beyond this: You think the only media outlets that are “telling you the truth” are the explicitly conservative ones. You think - you actually think - that every other media outlet, from MSNBC to CNN to the New York Times to the Washington Post and everything else beyond and in between is biased, part of a left-wing media complex. ONLY Fox and Rush and Beck are leveling with you - for they are telling you what you want to hear, what you “know” to be “true” in your “gut.”

Which brings us to…

6. You “know” things to be “true” in your “gut.” You “knew” Saddam Hussen and Osama bin Laden were buddies. You “know” Sarah Palin is jes’folks, just like us! You trust in instinct over judicious investigation. Religious faith and tribalism are big parts of this mix as well.

7. You oppose “big government” even as you partake of the fruits of government - Medicare, for instance. You see no contradiction in this, because you believe that there are the “deserving” and the “undeserving” - you, of course, being among the former. Everyone else is lazy and needs to learn how to work for a living.

8. You are a huge fan of “capitalism” even though you may be among its victims. You think the people at AIG earned those bonuses; you are committed to the idea of less regulation, even of Goldman Sachs and its ilk. You want less government period, and if that actually hurts people, you don’t really care - because you’re convinced that you’re among the smart ones who won’t be harmed. You are most likely wrong in this assumption.

9. You are outraged over government spending. During Bush’s presidency, you  never raised a peep about government spending. You might have been uneasy about it; but you would never have complained. Because you are loyal to the team, always.

10. You believe that while we have a moral obligation to Israel and a national security imperative to, say, provide a missle umbrella for eastern Europe, you feel less of a sense of responsibility for your own people. You would gladly acquiesce to, even demand expensive military action in Iran. Feed your own people? They don’t deserve it.

Most of all, all of your outrage is entirely partisan. You’re scared to death of deficits now, but nodded sagely when Dick Cheney said that deficits don’t matter. Obama is undermining the republic now, but Bush’s warrantless wiretapping was just fine, necessary - patriotic.

This goes back to your loyalty to the team, your tribalism: Whatever a Republican leadership might do, you’re on board and see it as necessary.

Democrats, on the other hand, are Hitleresque.

And City is right: All of this does obscure the real issues, and it’s designed that way. But hasn’t it always been this way? Wouldn’t there have been an argument, prior to the Civil War, that poor southern whites should not have fought for secession, should not have gone to war to protect an economic system that victimized them, devalued their labor, kept them poor and ignorant? So why did poor southern farm boys fight to preserve the slave system? Perhaps because they decided that preserving their “freedoms” from an oppressive big government up north that wanted to tell them how to live was more important than solidarity with other working men and women that might have both avoided war and contributed to broader-based prosperity.

I have said that if the Republican Party could ever bring itself to invoke economic populism along with its cultural populism, it would be a force to reckon with. But neither it nor its adherents can do that; because Fox News conseratives, wingers, are wedded to the notion that private enterprise is always right and thus incapable of reckless, even evil behavior. It is always government that is wrong; who shall protect the people from the excesses of Goldman Sachs, et al? Let the people protect themselves - that is the right-wing attitude.

So City, the operative question is: What do we want? A government that’s actually responsive to the people rather than the corporate interests; or is government by its very nature bad, and corporate interests should be unleashed. That’s your choice. You are absolutely to correct to say that government is now failing the people; that Obama has not only failed to stop this but may be helping to perpetuate it; the big are getting bigger and the rest of us are being ground beneath the treads.

Just don’t expect Fox News Nation to help you out in good faith on stopping the machine. They’re merely intersted in regaining control of the wheel.

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thoughts from the east
9/17/09
11:00 AM		A winger? Dat's von ov does guys vat drives de buggy, dere onc't! tongue.gif
Bouquet
9/17/09
11:24 AM		The real humor is going to be when the wingers respond to this with a "What is a Liberal" post.

When reading those, please think about perceptions...

The winger's perception of his own cleverness, humor, and intelligence as opposed to your perception of those same things. The Susquehanna could often fill that gap.

A good example is the oft-repeated Gil "Not So" Smart cracks that I have to read through every Sunday Morning.
Wonder
9/17/09
12:12 PM		The difference appears to be that citydweller is a realist and gil S. is not a realist.
eaglez11
9/17/09
12:16 PM		Gil pretty much nailed this one.

Why people are just clueless to the fact or just an a-hole is beyond me

argue with it all you want, it just makes you look stupid and keeps proving Gil right about his conclusions
area man
9/17/09
12:21 PM		This is so easily flipped...

What is a 'left' winger?

1. Are usually gender ambiguous, or, dude just looks like a lady.

2. Always votes Democrat, though there may be times when they don't vote - discouraged with candidates like Obama, Hilary was screwed!. Would under no circumstances vote for a Republican ever. Which brings us to…

3. Considers Republicans/conservatives to be a threat to America. Actively hates them; indeed, the animating force of their liberalism is a hatred for conservatives and conservatism. This is the key point; to be a winger you must personally detest the "Republican" Party, and want to see it destroyed; you may NEVER concede that yes, the Democrats have been a problem too - but in your mind this is because the Democrat Party has been beyond reproach.

4. After 8 years of George W. Bush - after several decades of conservative/Republican political ascendency - you resent any suggestion that the problems facing the country have anything to do with liberalism. As we have said so many times around here - those who are so quick to invoke the idea of personal responsibility take none whatsoever.

5. You watch MSNBC, you listen to Keith Olbermann, you are a big fan of MoveOn, Acorn, and web sites like… DailyKos. But beyond this: You think the only media outlets that are "telling you the truth" are the explicitly liberal ones. You think - you actually think - that every other media outlet, from Fox to CNN to the Wall Street Journal to the Washington Post and everything else beyond and in between is biased, part of a right-wing media complex. ONLY MSNBC and Olbermann and MoveOn are leveling with you - for they are telling you what you want to hear, what you "know" to be "true" in your "gut."

Which brings us to…

6. You "know" things to be "true" in your "gut." You "knew" Saddam Hussen and Osama bin Laden were not buddies. You "know" Sarah Palin is not jes'folks, just like us! You trust in instinct over judicious investigation. Religious faith and tribalism are big parts of the comic routine as well.

7. You support "big government" as you partake of the fruits of government - healthcare reform, for instance. You see no contradiction in this, despite decrying the evils and spending of the previous administration. For everyone else it is waste and greed, for you it is compassion.

8. You claim to be a huge fan of "capitalism" even though you also claim to be among its victims. You think the people at AIG stole those bonuses; you are committed to the idea of more regulation, especially of Goldman Sachs and its ilk. You want more government period, and if that actually hurts people, you don't really care - because you're convinced that you're among the smart ones who won't be harmed. You are most likely wrong in this assumption.

9. You are not outraged over government spending. During Bush's presidency, you raised hell about government spending. You might have been uneasy about it then; but you would never complain about it now. Because you are loyal to the team, always.

10. You believe that some think national defense is a moral obligation to Israel and a national security imperative, rather than defense of a nation. Your self defined sense of responsibility for your own people clouds logic and sound judgement. You would gladly acquiesce to, even demand, concessions to Iran. Feed your own people? Let them eat cake...
eaglez11
9/17/09
12:28 PM
QUOTE (area man @ Sep 17 2009, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is so easily flipped...

What is a 'left' winger?

1. Are usually gender ambiguous, or, dude just looks like a lady.

2. Always votes Democrat, though there may be times when they don't vote - discouraged with candidates like Obama, Hilary was screwed!. Would under no circumstances vote for a Republican ever. Which brings us to…

3. Considers Republicans/conservatives to be a threat to America. Actively hates them; indeed, the animating force of their liberalism is a hatred for conservatives and conservatism. This is the key point; to be a winger you must personally detest the "Republican" Party, and want to see it destroyed; you may NEVER concede that yes, the Democrats have been a problem too - but in your mind this is because the Democrat Party has been beyond reproach.

4. After 8 years of George W. Bush - after several decades of conservative/Republican political ascendency - you resent any suggestion that the problems facing the country have anything to do with liberalism. As we have said so many times around here - those who are so quick to invoke the idea of personal responsibility take none whatsoever.

5. You watch MSNBC, you listen to Keith Olbermann, you are a big fan of MoveOn, Acorn, and web sites like… DailyKos. But beyond this: You think the only media outlets that are "telling you the truth" are the explicitly liberal ones. You think - you actually think - that every other media outlet, from Fox to CNN to the Wall Street Journal to the Washington Post and everything else beyond and in between is biased, part of a right-wing media complex. ONLY MSNBC and Olbermann and MoveOn are leveling with you - for they are telling you what you want to hear, what you "know" to be "true" in your "gut."

Which brings us to…

6. You "know" things to be "true" in your "gut." You "knew" Saddam Hussen and Osama bin Laden were not buddies. You "know" Sarah Palin is not jes'folks, just like us! You trust in instinct over judicious investigation. Religious faith and tribalism are big parts of the comic routine as well.

7. You support "big government" as you partake of the fruits of government - healthcare reform, for instance. You see no contradiction in this, despite decrying the evils and spending of the previous administration. For everyone else it is greed, for you it is compassion.

8. You claim to be a huge fan of "capitalism" even though you also claim to be among its victims. You think the people at AIG stole those bonuses; you are committed to the idea of more regulation, especially of Goldman Sachs and its ilk. You want more government period, and if that actually hurts people, you don't really care - because you're convinced that you're among the smart ones who won't be harmed. You are most likely wrong in this assumption.

9. You are not outraged over government spending. During Bush's presidency, you raised hell about government spending. You might have been uneasy about it then; but you would never complain about it now. Because you are loyal to the team, always.

10. You believe that some think national defense is a moral obligation to Israel and a national security imperative, rather than defense of a nation. Your self defined sense of responsibility for your own people clouds logic and sound judgement. You would gladly acquiesce to, even demand, concessions to Iran. Feed your own people? Let them eat cake...


"I wont' be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

really??

looks like you don't practice what you preach there area man.

like i said, why argue it just makes you look stupid.
area man
9/17/09
12:29 PM		The point I am making is that there are two types of wingers. Wingers on the left, and wingers on the right... both are equally irrational and insane.

The tagline is from The Shootist, The Duke's last movie.
citydweller
9/17/09
12:41 PM		Added this to the blog before I realized Gil had me under the french fry lamp:

QUOTE
Update: The editor kept seizing up on me last night and I finally surrendered after a long day.

But to continue, what exactly is it that makes one a "winger"? Conservative beliefs?

As I state in my bio, I am a registered republican for 27 years, but I find the current state of the GOP offering me little that I find appealing, or rational. But the same is true of the democrats, who seems as desperate to "feel good" as the republicans do to feel "OURAGED!!!"

But still, I am conservative. I do believe our Republic is in peril. I do believe that our country is slipping from our hands as we wring them and tremble over manufactured affronts and outrages. And, sadly, I believe that if Jefferson rose from the dead tomorrow he would consider us lost.

So I guess my question to those who call my slogans "winger" would be - are these thoughts, expressed above, relegated exclusively to the halls of the right-wing-conservative? Or might there possibly be millions of us who quietly feel the same, but without the falsetto outrage? Rationally frightened, as it were, and not simply of "libruls".

I tend to think so. Otherwise I wouldn't be camped on a so-called "winger" portal sharing these thoughts.
eaglez11
9/17/09
12:41 PM		Ok, my bad, I do agree with you about the winger being on both sides of the extremes. My mind is now opened up. I guess we need both extremes to realize what is a happy medium of saneness. I try and stay moderate if at all possible. BTW, who are the Dukes. I'm thinking the Duke boys of Hazard, haha.
eaglez11
9/17/09
12:50 PM		Hey area man, I get it now, John Wayne. I liked John Wayne because he was a badarse. I saw a doc. on him and he was pretty much the same in his movie roles as he was in real life when it came to America and his beliefs. I respect the guy for that even if he was before my time.
LicenseForMayhem
9/17/09
12:52 PM		City, I think you nailed it in the closing that you added. "Rationally frightened" is a good way to explain it. There are a lot of people on both "sides" who are interested in and quite capable of reasoned discussion--and there's a lot about which to be concerned. Both the people who are screaming about Obama's citizenship and the ones who claim racism fuels most disagreement with Obama's plans need to sit down and let sensible people speak.
Bustina di tè
9/18/09
12:48 AM
QUOTE (eaglez11 @ Sep 17 2009, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey area man, I get it now, John Wayne. I liked John Wayne because he was a badarse. I saw a doc. on him and he was pretty much the same in his movie roles as he was in real life when it came to America and his beliefs. I respect the guy for that even if he was before my time.


Marion Morrison was the figment of a Hollywood producer's imagination. About as real as Ronald Reagan was as presidential material or the canard that George W. Bush was a successful business man and would bring that expertise to Washington.
from wiki:
QUOTE
As the majority of male leads left Hollywood to serve overseas, John Wayne saw his just-blossoming stardom at risk. Despite enormous pressure from his inner circle of friends, he put off enlisting. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status, classified as 3-A (family deferment). Wayne's secretary recalled making inquiries of military officials on behalf of his interest in enlisting, "but he never really followed up on them."[23] He repeatedly wrote to John Ford, asking to be placed in Ford's military unit, but continually postponed it until "after he finished one more film."[24] Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing Wayne, especially after the loss of Gene Autry to the Army.[25]

Almost as many deferment as dick Cheney. rolleyes.gif
Don't get me started on Barry Soetoro and the myths surrounding him.
skeptic2
9/18/09
1:38 AM		So how many Republicans or conservative news sources actually believe the country would have been better off with President McCain? How many are happy with the choice of Pawlenty, Romney or Huckabee that is coming? As disheartening as it is to see some of the entrenched interests able to work both sides of the aisle, at least the democratic party actually believes that government is not useless. And it shows.
ceejay
9/18/09
2:12 AM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 18 2009, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So how many Republicans or conservative news sources actually believe the country would have been better off with President McCain? How many are happy with the choice of Pawlenty, Romney or Huckabee that is coming? As disheartening as it is to see some of the entrenched interests able to work both sides of the aisle, at least the democratic party actually believes that government is not useless. And it shows.

Does it??? They can't get anything done within their own party power ranks except shooting themselves in the foot! Please!
doghead
9/18/09
6:10 AM		What is a winger?
Let me count the ways..
Wingers support the troops.
A winger is outraged at the things Obama hasn't done to fix the problems GWBush didn't cause.
A winger is never to blame and is never wrong.
And the support the troops.
They think GWBush is a direct decended of Jesus and did a "heck of a job" ruining running America.
It wasn't their fault , Bush didn't mess things up beyond repair, it's Obama's fault for being a negro high yellow.
Wingers support the troops.
They love black folks, in fact they believe everyone should own at least 2 of them.
Wingers love the troops as much as they love Jesus, except when Haliburton either electrocutes them or serves them spoiled rotten food to make even more money on no bid contracts.Then the troops don't count so much.
But they support the troops.
Wingers never had the guts to challenge Bush until he was safely out of office, then they had the guts to scream bloody murder about Obama.
Did I mention how much they support the troops?
Except when Haliburton gives them sewage water to bathe in, so Cheney can rake in even more money.
But other that that they support the troops.
In short, wingers are full of the opposite of shinola. laugh.gif

Did I mention the troops?
Oh dear, I may have forgotten to mention that wingers just adore the troops and love when Bush used them as props to make the wingers feel good.
Wingers support the troops.
O311mc
9/18/09
6:46 AM
QUOTE (area man @ Sep 17 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The point I am making is that there are two types of wingers. Wingers on the left, and wingers on the right... both are equally irrational and insane.



well put. Crazies on both sides are making a mess of things. One side is too busy blaming the other for everything that is done wrong or not done at all, to actually do the right thing. The extreme left wants a government that does all the thinking for the people, the extreme right wants anarchy. Be for real, Washington is full of wingers, reasonable people don't scream at the wind loud enough to convince the masses that all you really need do is be reasonable. Even if a reasonable person runs for office the wingers create a massive media assualt on sensibility, and in some strange twist of fate, mr/mrs reasonable ends up looking like the kook. Sometimes I think we are so screwed,but that very notion is what keeps me paying attention, I cannot just give up. When reasonable people give up we are truley done for.
Goldilocks
9/18/09
6:50 AM

I won’t get into what a winger is. But it sure reveals a lot about the person who uses it constantly.
skeptic2
9/18/09
8:09 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 18 2009, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does it??? They can't get anything done within their own party power ranks except shooting themselves in the foot! Please!
And I say you and the media are too focused on the battles in congress. Obama is making government work on different levels. More payment for primary care doctors in Medicare, better regulation of the food and agricultural industries, more NIH funding, killing a missile defense program that the military agreed should be killed, talking to Iran and North Korea. Bush used the stimulus money to stabilize banks, Obama created housing credits and payed for COBRAing health insurance for the unemployed.

In the NY Times today is an article about runoff from dairy farms polluting wells in Wisconsin and how the Bush administration allowed that to happen. A lot of bad things happened in the past eight years that some of us don't know about yet.
ceejay
9/18/09
9:41 AM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 18 2009, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I say you and the media are too focused on the battles in congress. Obama is making government work on different levels. More payment for primary care doctors in Medicare, better regulation of the food and agricultural industries, more NIH funding, killing a missile defense program that the military agreed should be killed, talking to Iran and North Korea. Bush used the stimulus money to stabilize banks, Obama created housing credits and payed for COBRAing health insurance for the unemployed.

In the NY Times today is an article about runoff from dairy farms polluting wells in Wisconsin and how the Bush administration allowed that to happen.A lot of bad things happened in the past eight years that some of us don't know about yet.

Having lived in Verona, WI and worked in Madison at the U. from 1980 - 1985, I am now hysterically laughing. Dairy farm run-off has been polluting wells since there were dairy farms and wells!! lol_lmao.gif And how is that ANY president's fault???? Run-off from Lancaster has been fouling wells (ours in Mount Joy, for instance!) and fouling the Chesapeake Bay for centuries.

You are really really reaching.

And this thread is really really sick.

QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 18 2009, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What is a winger?
Let me count the ways..
Wingers support the troops.
A winger is outraged at the things Obama hasn't done to fix the problems GWBush didn't cause.
A winger is never to blame and is never wrong.
And the support the troops.
They think GWBush is a direct decended of Jesus and did a "heck of a job" ruining running America.
It wasn't their fault , Bush didn't mess things up beyond repair, it's Obama's fault for being a negro high yellow.
Wingers support the troops.
They love black folks, in fact they believe everyone should own at least 2 of them.
Wingers love the troops as much as they love Jesus, except when Haliburton either electrocutes them or serves them spoiled rotten food to make even more money on no bid contracts.Then the troops don't count so much.
But they support the troops.
Wingers never had the guts to challenge Bush until he was safely out of office, then they had the guts to scream bloody murder about Obama.
Did I mention how much they support the troops?
Except when Haliburton gives them sewage water to bathe in, so Cheney can rake in even more money.
But other that that they support the troops.
In short, wingers are full of the opposite of shinola. laugh.gif

Did I mention the troops?
Oh dear, I may have forgotten to mention that wingers just adore the troops and love when Bush used them as props to make the wingers feel good.
Wingers support the troops.

This might be the sickest, most distorted and twisted post I have ever read on TB. And Gil Smart is undoubtedly in complete agreement and chortling that he elicited just exactly what he wanted to by posting this blog.
skeptic2
9/18/09
9:54 AM		Read the article on dairy farms. The Bush admin over and over came up short regulating industry. How can anyone deny that? They also refused to implement rules tracking the origin of food which then impeded investigation of various outbreaks. Nothing funny at all about food safety.

BTW, could you see Russia from your house in Wisconsin?
ceejay
9/18/09
10:11 AM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 18 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Read the article on dairy farms. The Bush admin over and over came up short regulating industry. How can anyone deny that? They also refused to implement rules tracking the origin of food which then impeded investigation of various outbreaks. Nothing funny at all about food safety.

BTW, could you see Russia from your house in Wisconsin?

So, eight years ago, dairy farms suddenly had cows that pooped and pee'd. And suddenly, 8 years ago, rain and snow melt began to run off those farms. Please, skeptic, use the brains that God gave you and THINK. Put aside the partisan crapola and just engage your brain. Even if the Times article is true (and they are hardly an impartial, non-partisan source!), this same process has been happening for 200 years!

I can provide you a list of the technology and machinery that we literally had to create a room to house in order to purify our wells in WI and in PA.

And every administration since I graduated college has blocked tracking the origin of food. Clinton's did too. Carter's did too. The lobbyists are very very powerful. And they still are in this administration of broken promises.
Goldilocks
9/18/09
10:28 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 18 2009, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having lived in Verona, WI and worked in Madison at the U. from 1980 - 1985, I am now hysterically laughing. Dairy farm run-off has been polluting wells since there were dairy farms and wells!! lol_lmao.gif And how is that ANY president's fault????


LOL, didn't you know that everything is Bush's fault, even when farmers spread their manure, or spray to close to their wells. Blame Bush.


QUOTE
Run-off from Lancaster has been fouling wells (ours in Mount Joy, for instance!) and fouling the Chesapeake Bay for centuries.


Farms still contribute to that problem, but they have made great strides in land contours, modifying stream beds, etc. Another large contributing factor in polluting the Chesapeake, is the runoff from over fertilized lawns and an over use of insecticides on yards. More beautiful lush green lawns mean more pollution of the Chesapeake.
grieker
9/18/09
10:42 AM
QUOTE (Lancaster Online @ Sep 17 2009, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


That Gil, is a question answerable only by the group that coined it. Anything else is speculation.

Like the word lie, I never knew it was a racially incendiary word.

I do like the word ignoranus = stupid azz, lot of that going around.
grieker
9/18/09
10:53 AM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 18 2009, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What is a winger?
Let me count the ways..
Wingers support the troops.
A winger is outraged at the things Obama hasn't done to fix the problems GWBush didn't cause.
A winger is never to blame and is never wrong.
And the support the troops.
They think GWBush is a direct decended of Jesus and did a "heck of a job" ruining running America.
It wasn't their fault , Bush didn't mess things up beyond repair, it's Obama's fault for being a negro high yellow.
Wingers support the troops.
They love black folks, in fact they believe everyone should own at least 2 of them.
Wingers love the troops as much as they love Jesus, except when Haliburton either electrocutes them or serves them spoiled rotten food to make even more money on no bid contracts.Then the troops don't count so much.
But they support the troops.
Wingers never had the guts to challenge Bush until he was safely out of office, then they had the guts to scream bloody murder about Obama.
Did I mention how much they support the troops?
Except when Haliburton gives them sewage water to bathe in, so Cheney can rake in even more money.
But other that that they support the troops.
In short, wingers are full of the opposite of shinola. laugh.gif

Did I mention the troops?
Oh dear, I may have forgotten to mention that wingers just adore the troops and love when Bush used them as props to make the wingers feel good.
Wingers support the troops.


Hey dog, you can drop the race baiting. You've done wore it out.

Unless you believe I/we woke up last week and discovered that Obama is not white, you are wasting your time and our patience.

You are the racist and that is sad - good news is - you can received treatment for that - It might even be FREE, I know you like FREE.



area man
9/18/09
11:12 AM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 18 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Bush admin over and over came up short regulating industry.


And so did, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, ....etc.

And if this were an isolated incident in Wisconsin, then it is a state matter, not a federal matter.
wiseone
9/18/09
11:18 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 18 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having lived in Verona, WI and worked in Madison at the U. from 1980 - 1985, I am now hysterically laughing. Dairy farm run-off has been polluting wells since there were dairy farms and wells!! lol_lmao.gif And how is that ANY president's fault???? Run-off from Lancaster has been fouling wells (ours in Mount Joy, for instance!) and fouling the Chesapeake Bay for centuries.

You are really really reaching.

And this thread is really really sick.


This might be the sickest, most distorted and twisted post I have ever read on TB. And Gil Smart is undoubtedly in complete agreement and chortling that he elicited just exactly what he wanted to by posting this blog.


The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wonder
9/18/09
11:48 AM		Hey, CJ, I have relatives who live near Madison, WI.

QUOTE
Hey area man, I get it now, John Wayne. I liked John Wayne because he was a badarse. I saw a doc. on him and he was pretty much the same in his movie roles as he was in real life when it came to America and his beliefs. I respect the guy for that even if he was before my time.


Wayne's children say he was not one bit like the character he portrayed.
area man
9/18/09
11:59 AM		I joined the Marine Corps because of John Wayne the character.... I wanted to drink beer, beat up sailors, and always get the girl. Pretty much worked out.
skeptic2
9/18/09
12:22 PM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 18 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Read the article on dairy farms. The Bush admin over and over came up short regulating industry. How can anyone....various outbreaks. Nothing funny at all about food safety. BTW, could you see Russia from your house in Wisconsin?
http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=442210&f=19&p=1

To address this problem, the federal Environmental Protection Agency has created special rules for the biggest farms, like those with at least 700 cows. But thousands of large animal feedlots that should be regulated by those rules are effectively ignored because farmers never file paperwork, E.P.A. officials say. And regulations passed during the administration of President George W. Bush allow many of those farms to self-certify that they will not pollute, and thereby largely escape regulation. In a statement, the E.P.A. wrote that officials were working closely with the Agriculture Department and other federal agencies to reduce pollution and bring large farms into compliance
ceejay
9/18/09
1:07 PM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 18 2009, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=442210&f=19&p=1

To address this problem, the federal Environmental Protection Agency has created special rules for the biggest farms, like those with at least 700 cows. But thousands of large animal feedlots that should be regulated by those rules are effectively ignored because farmers never file paperwork, E.P.A. officials say. And regulations passed during the administration of President George W. Bush allow many of those farms to self-certify that they will not pollute, and thereby largely escape regulation. In a statement, the E.P.A. wrote that officials were working closely with the Agriculture Department and other federal agencies to reduce pollution and bring large farms into compliance

Go to http://www.sciencedirect.com

Ask the question "How long has farm run-off been a problem?" It will give you 203 articles from scientific journals. One article from 1982 calls it a "cultural dilemma".

Yeah. It's all Bush's fault. And it just started in 2000. rolleyes.gif

notveryhow
9/18/09
4:01 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 18 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Go to http://www.sciencedirect.com

Ask the question "How long has farm run-off been a problem?" It will give you 203 articles from scientific journals. One article from 1982 calls it a "cultural dilemma".

Yeah. It's all Bush's fault. And it just started in 2000. rolleyes.gif


Wow, why does it have to be all or nothing? Yes, nutrient pollution has been and remains a problem. But does that excuse the previous administration for loosening rules to favor large feedlots and allow continued pollution?

Bush blocks rules to lower the allowable arsenic in drinking water from 50ppb to 10 ppb.

http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/water_drinking.asp
(last on list)

But that doesn't matter because the arsenic has been there, well, since they began large scale surface mining. So Bush bears no responsibility. rolleyes.gif
ceejay
9/18/09
8:07 PM
QUOTE (notveryhow @ Sep 18 2009, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, why does it have to be all or nothing? Yes, nutrient pollution has been and remains a problem. But does that excuse the previous administration for loosening rules to favor large feedlots and allow continued pollution?

Bush blocks rules to lower the allowable arsenic in drinking water from 50ppb to 10 ppb.

http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/water_drinking.asp
(last on list)

But that doesn't matter because the arsenic has been there, well, since they began large scale surface mining. So Bush bears no responsibility. rolleyes.gif

It isn't nice or polite to jump into a discussion late in the game and then put words in the mouth of other posters. No one ever said that Bush bears no responsibility. What was said (repeatedly, if you bothered to actually READ) was that the problem has existed since there were farms (Abel, I believe wink.gif ) and waterways (Tigris and Euphrates?).
skeptic2
9/18/09
8:59 PM		http://www.iptv.org/mtom/archivedbazaar.cfm?Bid=1440
[b]
Food Tracking System Full of Holes[/b]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The government's system for tracing foods is riddled with holes, and that could undercut officials' ability to find the source of a disease outbreak or bioterrorism attack, according to a federal report released Thursday.



Investigators for the Health and Human Services inspector general's office conducted a test of the tracing system. The result: they were only able to follow five out of 40 foods all the way through the supply chain.

The ability to trace food is a critical part of investigations into outbreaks of food-borne illness and would be crucial in a bioterrorism attack. Food companies are required by federal law to keep records that would allow investigators to follow suspect foods one step back and one step forward in the supply chain.

But the inspector general's investigation found that the records many companies keep are not detailed enough. And one-quarter of the company managers were totally unaware of the record keeping requirements.

"The food safety regulatory structure lacks an adequate traceability system," said Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., who requested the investigation. "Traceability is a critical tool in our ability to identify the source of a food-borne illness outbreak."

In the past, the food industry successfully lobbied against efforts to impose electronic record keeping and other requirements that may improve tracing. But the issue is sure to be revisited this year. President Barack Obama has launched a review of the government's fragmented food safety system. Several bills have been introduced on Capitol Hill.

"Trace-back will be a critical part of food safety reform in this Congress," DeLauro said.

In the test, government investigators bought 40 food items, including bottled water, eggs, oatmeal, tomatoes, fruit juice and yogurt. They then attempted to trace the items back from the retailer to the source.

They were only able to fully trace 12.5 percent of the items.

For 31 of the 40, investigators said they were able to identify the facilities that most likely handled the products.

And in the case of four items — 10 percent of the total — investigators were unable to identify the facilities that handled them.

Problems with tracing foods drew attention last summer after investigators from the Food and Drug Administration struggled for weeks to identify the cause of a salmonella outbreak initially blamed on tomatoes. No contaminated tomatoes were found, but the outbreak strain eventually was discovered in hot peppers from Mexico.

The inspector general's report said most facilities do not keep records with specific lot numbers that would facilitate the tracing of foods.

"For example, for one product — a bag of flour — the storage facility did not know the exact farms that contributed to the product and, therefore, had to give us information about every farm that provided wheat during the previous harvest season," the report said.

The report said 70 out 118 food facilities in the traceback test did not meet the FDA's record keeping requirements for information about suppliers, shippers and customers.

"In some cases, managers had to look through large numbers of records — some of them paper based — for contact information," the report said.

The inspector general recommended that the FDA consider seeking stronger legal powers to improve the tracing of food. The FDA said it was reviewing the recommendations.

An examination by The Associated Press last summer found that the food industry pressured the Bush administration to limit the paperwork that companies have to keep to help trace food. It was after the Sept. 11 attacks, and Congress was considering bioterrorism legislation. The bill that ultimately passed included the requirement that companies be able to trace foods one step forward and one step back in the supply chain.

The Bush White House killed a plan to require the industry to maintain electronic records. Companies complained the proposals would cost too much and could disrupt the availability of fresh produce.



So, I'm no expert on food tracking, preventing farm runoff or water purification but:
1) Food safety is a national security issue
2) This is yet another example of eight failed years of trusting industries to regulate themselves
3) There was a law passed in the early years of the Bush admin and it just wasn't carried out (I will try to explain better)

Sorry to hijack the thread
skeptic2
9/18/09
9:05 PM		Yikes, Lou Dobbs !!

Food safety - Bush ignors laws on Country of Origin Labels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIYAFHwQA6I
Nick Danger
9/18/09
9:06 PM		Winger was a 70's band. A really bad 70's band.
skeptic2
9/18/09
9:15 PM		Last one(http://vbs.psu.edu/ext/focus-areas/animal-id/age-verified)

Country of Origin Labeling (COOL)
Cool Country of Origin Labeling On May 13, 2002, President Bush signed into law the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002, more commonly known as the 2002 Farm Bill. One of its many initiatives requires country of origin labeling for beef, lamb, pork, fish, perishable agricultural commodities and peanuts. On January 27, 2004, President Bush signed Public Law 108-199 which delays the implementation of mandatory COOL for all covered commodities except wild and farm-raised fish and shellfish until September 30, 2006. On November 10, 2005, President Bush signed Public Law 109-97, which delays the implementation for all covered commodities except wild and farm-raised and shellfish until September 30, 2008. As described in the legislation, program implementation is the responsibility of USDA's Agricultural Marketing Service.

area man
9/18/09
10:22 PM
QUOTE (Nick Danger @ Sep 18 2009, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Winger was a 70's band. A really bad 70's band.


Actually, they were an 80's band... still bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winger_%28band%29
ceejay
9/18/09
10:31 PM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 18 2009, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to hijack the thread

Tell the truth. You are not one bit sorry. wink.gif
citydweller
9/18/09
11:03 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 18 2009, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tell the truth. You are not one bit sorry. wink.gif


Tell the truth. You need a good stiff drink and maybe 30 episodes of Seinfeld. wink.gif
notveryhow
9/19/09
12:46 AM
QUOTE
Ceejay 9:07 PM
No one ever said that Bush bears no responsibility. What was said (repeatedly, if you bothered to actually READ) was that the problem has existed since there were farms


No, what you actually said, in response to a post about how Bush HAD NOT moved to mitigate the problem, was:

QUOTE
Ask the question "How long has farm run-off been a problem?" It will give you 203 articles from scientific journals. One article from 1982 calls it a "cultural dilemma".

Yeah. It's all Bush's fault. And it just started in 2000. rolleyes.gif


QUOTE
I contradict myself, so I contradict myself
Walt Whitman


wink.gif
ceejay
9/19/09
12:57 AM
QUOTE (notveryhow @ Sep 19 2009, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, what you actually said, in response to a post about how Bush HAD NOT moved to mitigate the problem, was:





wink.gif

Almighty God in Heaven, seriously, if you don't get sarcasm without these stinkin' things sarcasm.gif you really need to go back to school or talk to a shrink or work on your reading comprehension!!!!! I simply refuse to go back post by post and argue and pick over a rehash of a discussion with another poster (not you) who can read, and walk you through it.

<insert primal scream>
doghead
9/19/09
6:00 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 18 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having lived in Verona, WI and worked in Madison at the U. from 1980 - 1985, I am now hysterically laughing. Dairy farm run-off has been polluting wells since there were dairy farms and wells!! lol_lmao.gif And how is that ANY president's fault???? Run-off from Lancaster has been fouling wells (ours in Mount Joy, for instance!) and fouling the Chesapeake Bay for centuries.

You are really really reaching.

And this thread is really really sick.


This might be the sickest, most distorted and twisted post I have ever read on TB. And Gil Smart is undoubtedly in complete agreement and chortling that he elicited just exactly what he wanted to by posting this blog.

It was done tongue in cheek. Your high and mighty pronouncement that it is sick reveals that I hit a nerve at the center of your own private ground zero.
Misssion accomplished.
Hey how about all the wingers who said not one word about Haliburton killing more of their beloved troops that the Iranian roadside bombs.
I call them phonies and that makes you angry? Are you a phoney ceejay or are you over recacting vicariously. laugh.gif
Ohhhh maybe a guilty conscience?
doghead
9/19/09
6:07 AM
QUOTE (grieker @ Sep 18 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey dog, you can drop the race baiting. You've done wore it out.

Unless you believe I/we woke up last week and discovered that Obama is not white, you are wasting your time and our patience.

You are the racist and that is sad - good news is - you can received treatment for that - It might even be FREE, I know you like FREE.

It is not race baiting it is a blanket condemnation, thru humor, of wingers who sat by and said nothing when Haliburton sold rotten food to their beloved troops, sold the sewage water to bathe in, and electrocuted them as they showered.
The wingers rioted because of healthcare reform but said nothing when the troops were being poisoned?
Sounds suspect to me, no wonder ceejay got so irritated, only truth can irritate so much. laugh.gif
doghead
9/19/09
6:18 AM
QUOTE (wiseone @ Sep 18 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The truth hurts doesn't it?


It doesn't hurt them as much as it irritates them.
ceejay
9/19/09
9:46 AM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 19 2009, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is not race baiting it is a blanket condemnation, thru humor, of wingers who sat by and said nothing when Haliburton sold rotten food to their beloved troops, sold the sewage water to bathe in, and electrocuted them as they showered.
The wingers rioted because of healthcare reform but said nothing when the troops were being poisoned?
Sounds suspect to me, no wonder ceejay got so irritated, only truth can irritate so much. laugh.gif

Except that you have no idea what "wingers" did. You don't know how many phonecalls, letters, e-mail to legislators they made. You have no idea how many pushed for investigations.
ceejay
9/19/09
9:54 AM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 19 2009, 06:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was done tongue in cheek. Your high and mighty pronouncement that it is sick reveals that I hit a nerve at the center of your own private ground zero.
Misssion accomplished.
Hey how about all the wingers who said not one word about Haliburton killing more of their beloved troops that the Iranian roadside bombs.
I call them phonies and that makes you angry? Are you a phoney ceejay or are you over recacting vicariously. laugh.gif
Ohhhh maybe a guilty conscience?

How completely disingenuous and basically dishonest! You paint everyone on the right as racists and fans of slavery. But it was just a funny funny joke. Ha ha. lol. post another smiley face.

You repeatedly mention the troops. The silence on the left about support for the troops is deafening. Point to someone on the left who champions the troops. What have you personally done to redress the injustices you cite.

How very pitiable that you could be that mean-spirited, sitting high and mighty, post pure ugliness that deepens the divide, and when called on it, poor poor rabid dog was misunderstood by the big meanie "winger". Really think anyone believes that??? blink.gif It is what all bullies do. Angrily shove a kid on the schoolyard while calling them names, then, when caught put on the shocked (shocked I tell you!), "I was just kidding! The sissy can't take a joke!"
skeptic2
9/19/09
10:46 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Point to someone on the left who champions the troops.


Stephen Colbert

ETA: and he's a good Catholic and family man, too
reese
9/19/09
11:08 AM
QUOTE (Nick Danger @ Sep 18 2009, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Winger was a 70's band. A really bad 70's band.


Whoa. They really were bad.

ceejay
9/19/09
12:33 PM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Sep 19 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stephen Colbert

ETA: and he's a good Catholic and family man, too

You forgot the winky face and the lol. But if a comedian who talks about it in jokes but it all ends on stage is the best you've got, then so be it.
skeptic2
9/19/09
12:45 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You forgot the winky face and the lol. But if a comedian who talks about it in jokes but it all ends on stage is the best you've got, then so be it.
Colbert gives money, too.

Michelle Obama has spent a lot of time with military families.
doghead
9/19/09
1:09 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Except that you have no idea what "wingers" did. You don't know how many phonecalls, letters, e-mail to legislators they made. You have no idea how many pushed for investigations.


Are you saying you are a winger? Maybe some did what you said but while they are rioting over healthcare and are apoplectic over Obama's birth certificate and they are howling about Obama being a liar, they were not vocal at all, nada, zilch , not one bit in public about the electrocutions, the sewage water, or the spoiled food among other crimes against our troops. That makes me wanna go hmmmmmm.
So I have to wonder why they make a room full of noise over small stuff, but when it comes to their troops they are silent, at least publicly.
Other than the bumper stickers.
Oh by the way if so many wingers did what you claimed how come there were no investigations of allegations and no penalties to the subsidiaries of Haliburton. Methinks you are dreaming, methinks the wingers were too wimpy to speak up.
Methinks the wingers are just a bunch of gasbags "full of sound and fury signifying nothing"
doghead
9/19/09
1:17 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How completely disingenuous and basically dishonest! You paint everyone on the right as racists and fans of slavery. But it was just a funny funny joke. Ha ha. lol. post another smiley face.

You repeatedly mention the troops. The silence on the left about support for the troops is deafening. Point to someone on the left who champions the troops. What have you personally done to redress the injustices you cite.

How very pitiable that you could be that mean-spirited, sitting high and mighty, post pure ugliness that deepens the divide, and when called on it, poor poor rabid dog was misunderstood by the big meanie "winger". Really think anyone believes that??? blink.gif It is what all bullies do. Angrily shove a kid on the schoolyard while calling them names, then, when caught put on the shocked (shocked I tell you!), "I was just kidding! The sissy can't take a joke!"

I threy to give yo the benefit of the doubt but I am begining to question your intelligence. It was meant to be funny while at the same time taking wingers to task for their bs about the troops while they said nothing when the troops were being raked over by Haliburton. Get it? I stand behind every word but it tried to keep it humorous.
The left doesn't scream from the rooftops about how much they love the troops , the wingers do, hence the blatantness of their hypocrisy.
Your analogy of the school yard bully is faulty because I stand behind the assertions, the joke is in the waty it was delivered.

So now that you know I assume you will still keep up with your usual crap. laugh.gif
doghead
9/19/09
1:27 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You forgot the winky face and the lol. But if a comedian who talks about it in jokes but it all ends on stage is the best you've got, then so be it.



Yeash only the wingers love the troops, that is why the bums said nothing publicly about Haliburton and their actions.
They were silent because they didn't give a rats arse, they are full of crap, they let Bush treat the troops as he pleased. You know it's true which is why you exploded in rage.
Checkmate.
Oh, Joe Wilson did speak up, but not Joe Wilson the nut who yelled at Obama , the Joe Wilson whose wife Cheney and Bush outed as an undercover CIA operative. And you wingers made excuses for that as well while hiding behind the troops.
Wingers are phonies for the most part.
Sorry but that is no joke and I stand behind it.

Ain't it funny how loud and boisterous they are now, the wingers,but when it came to the troops they had a silent letter writing campaign.
Riiiiiihgt!!!!!!!!
But if it was a silent under the radar campaign to save the troops from Haliburton, how did ceejay even know about it. Where were Sean and Rush and Beck?
Case Closed, you lose.
Cee jay you are so brainwashed. laugh.gif
skeptic2
9/19/09
1:31 PM		Republicans have an easy time talking to their audiences about nationalism and religion. Democrats have an easy time talking to their audiences about diversity and tolerance. On the one side you could have a Democrat who is religious, but is not sure he should talk about his faith publicly. On the other side, you could have a Republican who wants the party to be more inclusive but knows that talking about that could backfire.
notveryhow
9/19/09
10:10 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 18 2009, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It isn't nice or polite to jump into a discussion late in the game and then put words in the mouth of other posters. No one ever said that Bush bears no responsibility. What was said (repeatedly, if you bothered to actually READ) was that the problem has existed since there were farms (Abel, I believe wink.gif ) and waterways (Tigris and Euphrates?).


Just pointing out "that the problem has existed since there were farms"???


QUOTE
Having lived in Verona, WI and worked in Madison at the U. from 1980 - 1985, I am now hysterically laughing. Dairy farm run-off has been polluting wells since there were dairy farms and wells!! lol_lmao.gif And how is that ANY president's fault???? Run-off from Lancaster has been fouling wells (ours in Mount Joy, for instance!) and fouling the Chesapeake Bay for centuries.

You are really really reaching.


Perhaps there is some subtext that I'm unaware of, but from where I'm sitting it sure looks like you are trying to excuse Bush by pointing out how long the problem has existed. seems Goldi saw it that way too:

QUOTE
LOL, didn't you know that everything is Bush's fault, even when farmers spread their manure, or spray to close to their wells. Blame Bush.


No matter how many times you fluff it with a hay fork, it's still manure (Though it will compost more quickly)
notveryhow
9/19/09
10:30 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Almighty God in Heaven, seriously, if you don't get sarcasm without these stinkin' things sarcasm.gif you really need to go back to school or talk to a shrink or work on your reading comprehension!!!!! I simply refuse to go back post by post and argue and pick over a rehash of a discussion with another poster (not you) who can read, and walk you through it.

<insert primal scream>


I used to think it meant what you have with a really disappointing lover, but then someone got me a dictionary. So, yes, I recognize sarcasm.


QUOTE
Ask the question "How long has farm run-off been a problem?" It will give you 203 articles from scientific journals. One article from 1982 calls it a "cultural dilemma".

Yeah. It's all Bush's fault. And it just started in 2000.


And what you were communicating with this sarcasm, by stating that "It's all Bush's fault", is the stupidity of blaming Bush for the problem. If you were attempting to communicate that it was Bush's fault, wouldn't you have stated the opposite extreme? (It's not Bush's fault).

And if you were joking, you would have said, "A horse walks into a bar. The bartender says "Why the long face'". (Hot Shots: Part Duex)

Yes, this is tiresome. I don't know why you won't just admit what you wrote. There is no shame in it. And heck, anybody can read it. And don't insult me by PM.
ceejay
9/19/09
10:40 PM
QUOTE (notveryhow @ Sep 19 2009, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I used to think it meant what you have with a really disappointing lover, but then someone got me a dictionary. So, yes, I recognize sarcasm.




And what you were communicating with this sarcasm, by stating that "It's all Bush's fault", is the stupidity of blaming Bush for the problem. If you were attempting to communicate that it was Bush's fault, wouldn't you have stated the opposite extreme? (It's not Bush's fault).

And if you were joking, you would have said, "A horse walks into a bar. The bartender says "Why the long face'". (Hot Shots: Part Duex)

Yes, this is tiresome. I don't know why you won't just admit what you wrote. There is no shame in it. And heck, anybody can read it. And don't insult me by PM.



My insult by PM was to repeatedly, in multiple PMs request that you ignore my posts, stating that I would return the favor.

It is rude and ignorant to jump into a thread late in the game and be plainly too stupid to understand the sarcasm and its use. So, please continue to pick and parse and confirm my diagnosis.

Meanwhile, I publicly request that you ignore my posts, and I will return the favor.
gsmart
9/20/09
1:17 AM		Good lord, haven't you ever seen the Golden Winger award?

8. You claim to be a huge fan of "capitalism" even though you also claim to be among its victims.

Absolutely not. I'm not one of its victims - but I know that there ARE victims, and I believe society has an obligation to those victims

you are committed to the idea of more regulation, especially of Goldman Sachs and its ilk.

Absolutely. This is the key issue at this moment in American history. Shall the gamblers get an even bigger line of credit? Or shall we reel them back in - slowly, perhaps. But surely.

This is the key point; to be a winger you must personally detest the "Republican" Party, and want to see it destroyed

No, the Republican Party can stay. It's the conservative movement I'd like to see go the way of the dinosaur.

After 8 years of George W. Bush - after several decades of conservative/Republican political ascendency - you resent any suggestion that the problems facing the country have anything to do with liberalism.

Right. Because there hasn't been a liberal in the white house for 30-some years (hint: Clinton wasn't a liberal). Rush himself says it, this is a conservative country. It has moved more to the right in the last decade or so, and part of that was the rich needed to get richer. They did.

And here we are.

You believe that some think national defense is a moral obligation to Israel and a national security imperative, rather than defense of a nation. Your self defined sense of responsibility for your own people clouds logic and sound judgement.

Really. A sense of responsibility to one's own people "clouds sound judgment?"

Isn't a sense of responsibility for your own people is the very definition of goverment - or at least, a government by, of and for the people? It's own people?

That used to be a conservative value, by the way.
doghead
9/20/09
1:42 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My insult by PM was to repeatedly, in multiple PMs request that you ignore my posts, stating that I would return the favor.

It is rude and ignorant to jump into a thread late in the game and be plainly too stupid to understand the sarcasm and its use. So, please continue to pick and parse and confirm my diagnosis.

Meanwhile, I publicly request that you ignore my posts, and I will return the favor.


OMG this is priceless. cee jay PMs people to keep them from responding to her drively bs.cee jay you remind me of a woman I once knew who was psycho. I am not saying you are a psycho because you would use that to ban me, because that is how you operate.
Just saying you need to go back to what Jesus in the Bible said, because you are really getting wierd.
Have a blessed Sunday in church where you won't have anyone to argue with. laugh.gif
doghead
9/20/09
2:08 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 19 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My insult by PM was to repeatedly, in multiple PMs request that you ignore my posts, stating that I would return the favor.



cee jay your PMs are meant to keep those who are smarter than you from disagreeing with you in public thereby making you the queen bee of talkback. You really are starting to concern me with your irrational behavior. You seem to want to neutralize all those who call bs on your angry ravings.
Dahling there will be no one left if you do that. Seek some counseling or maybe talk to your pastor. You may not see it but you are becoming somewhat psycho.
I say that because I am concerned with your emotional well being. You seem to be going off the deep end.
God bless!
ceejay
9/20/09
10:08 AM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 20 2009, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
cee jay your PMs are meant to keep those who are smarter than you from disagreeing with you in public thereby making you the queen bee of talkback. You really are starting to concern me with your irrational behavior. You seem to want to neutralize all those who call bs on your angry ravings.
Dahling there will be no one left if you do that. Seek some counseling or maybe talk to your pastor. You may not see it but you are becoming somewhat psycho.
I say that because I am concerned with your emotional well being. You seem to be going off the deep end.
God bless!

My, my. Two posts in a row! All about me????? And more on another thread?! Off your meds, rabid dog? So much for the "epiphany" then, huh?

Post about the topic. Discuss issues.

And dear me! "angry"? "Ravings"? This from the distemper king? Please. Don't make me laugh this hard first thing in the day!!!

Gee, you need to examine your own heart there crazy canine! All that anger from within you being projected into my posts! I am thinking a shrink might be in order for you. Projection is treatable. Ask Wonder! And examine that doggy heart. Where is all that anger coming from that you read into my posts? Someone whack your nose too hard with a newspaper or take your bone away as a puppy? Poor poor vicious dog. All that confliction. Dog whisperers are all the rage now! Find one. Let go of all that hate for ceejay that is poisoning your soul.

And then try real, real hard to actually post something about an issue. The topic of the thread. Or someone will think you have an obsession. Besides, you are frightening the normals!

Go outside, take a deep breath, and lift your leg on something. It will make you feel better. Mark that territory real good, and quit lifting your leg on TB threads trying to claim territory that isn't yours. Last time I looked this was a discussion board, and discussion is encouraged.
ceejay
9/20/09
10:21 AM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 20 2009, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
cee jay your PMs are meant to keep those who are smarter than you from disagreeing with you in public thereby making you the queen bee of talkback. You really are starting to concern me with your irrational behavior. You seem to want to neutralize all those who call bs on your angry ravings.
Dahling there will be no one left if you do that. Seek some counseling or maybe talk to your pastor. You may not see it but you are becoming somewhat psycho.
I say that because I am concerned with your emotional well being. You seem to be going off the deep end.
God bless!

Would you like to post the content of my PMs to you? Shall I?

Those PMs referred to my agreement with you on an actual issue and expressed happy surprise at the fact, and referred to the phase of the moon. Hmmmmm.

Isn't it "irrational behavior" for you to post multiple posts across multiple threads about another poster not even involved in discussion with you???? Have I gotten under your skin that much? Check yourself for fleas. Oh, and hotspots. Then get thee to a vet.
doghead
9/20/09
11:07 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 20 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My, my. Two posts in a row! All about me????? And more on another thread?! Off your meds, rabid dog? So much for the "epiphany" then, huh?

Post about the topic. Discuss issues.

And dear me! "angry"? "Ravings"? This from the distemper king? Please. Don't make me laugh this hard first thing in the day!!!

Gee, you need to examine your own heart there crazy canine! All that anger from within you being projected into my posts! I am thinking a shrink might be in order for you. Projection is treatable. Ask Wonder! And examine that doggy heart. Where is all that anger coming from that you read into my posts? Someone whack your nose too hard with a newspaper or take your bone away as a puppy? Poor poor vicious dog. All that confliction. Dog whisperers are all the rage now! Find one. Let go of all that hate for ceejay that is poisoning your soul.

And then try real, real hard to actually post something about an issue. The topic of the thread. Or someone will think you have an obsession. Besides, you are frightening the normals!

Go outside, take a deep breath, and lift your leg on something. It will make you feel better. Mark that territory real good, and quit lifting your leg on TB threads trying to claim territory that isn't yours. Last time I looked this was a discussion board, and discussion is encouraged.


I don't hate you at all, I think you are a psycho. My post about the wingers was directed at wingers, and lok who got all pist off and hysterical.
I guess you consider yourself a winger.Like the other poster said, the truth hurts. laugh.gif
doghead
9/20/09
11:13 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 20 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Would you like to post the content of my PMs to you? Shall I?

Those PMs referred to my agreement with you on an actual issue and expressed happy surprise at the fact, and referred to the phase of the moon. Hmmmmm.

Isn't it "irrational behavior" for you to post multiple posts across multiple threads about another poster not even involved in discussion with you???? Have I gotten under your skin that much? Check yourself for fleas. Oh, and hotspots. Then get thee to a vet.


My, my. Two posts in a row! All about me????? laugh.gif
Go ahead post my pms and I'll post yours and then you can explain why you attacked me personally when I posted my humorous take on the "what is a winger" thread.You went on and on just complaining and judging and blathering. You attacked me because you are a psyco-christian and have no self control. I am dsone arguing with you , go fight with the siemper fry cook or someone else.
ceejay
9/20/09
11:19 AM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 20 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My, my. Two posts in a row! All about me????? laugh.gif
Go ahead post my pms and I'll post yours and then you can explain why you attacked me personally when I posted my humorous take on the "what is a winger" thread.You went on and on just complaining and judging and blathering. You attacked me because you are a psyco-christian and have no self control. I am dsone arguing with you , go fight with the siemper fry cook or someone else.

I am so glad you got my little irony, there, rabid dog. Two posts in a row about you got your attention, huh? cool.gif

And my, my, yet another ranting, complaining, judging, blathering post, all about MOI! My goodness! All this attention! You are making me blush! lol_blush.gif

Be very careful about the "psycho" and "self-control" references, distemper boy, unless there is a mirror handy. Because obsession with another poster to this degree is just plain sick, canine crazy. And across multiple threads????

(And where oh where are all you lols and smiley faces, so you can say, "just kidding" later?)

edit to add: This IS the "winger" thread, genius! In your rabid, frothing, foaming lather, you lost your place, huh? Quick!!! Dash over to the other thread and repost this there!
doghead
9/20/09
11:54 AM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 20 2009, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am so glad you got my little irony, there, rabid dog. Two posts in a row about you got your attention, huh? cool.gif

And my, my, yet another ranting, complaining, judging, blathering post, all about MOI! My goodness! All this attention! You are making me blush! lol_blush.gif

Be very careful about the "psycho" and "self-control" references, distemper boy, unless there is a mirror handy. Because obsession with another poster to this degree is just plain sick, canine crazy. And across multiple threads????

(And where oh where are all you lols and smiley faces, so you can say, "just kidding" later?)

edit to add: This IS the "winger" thread, genius! In your rabid, frothing, foaming lather, you lost your place, huh? Quick!!! Dash over to the other thread and repost this there!


You are a psycho and a phoney. You sent me a PM proclaiming peace and then you attacked me personally for my post about what constitutes a winger. I hit the old hypocrite nerve in the old gal and you howled in pain lashing out at me in a psycho-rage.
I am done with you and your moronics. You are a hypocrite of the ugliest sort. Why do so many call you a hypocrite, why so many? Because you are one and you cannot face the ugly truth. As for self control you are the one who blathers on and on about what a goddam good christian you are, and then you behave like a pistoff psycho, full of judgements and condemnation. Nice touch on a Sunday. laugh.gif

I realize this board is your life and a life I want no part of.
Good riddance, say what you want about m,e, your opinbion is worthless to me.
Bye

Edited to add good riddance I will never read your crap again forever and ever. Amen. laugh.gif
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reese
9/20/09
11:58 AM
QUOTE (Lancaster Online @ Sep 17 2009, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


"We" don't use the term "winger" here often. You do. Please speak for yourself. Not all people with liberal views use terms that incite/inflame.


ceejay
9/20/09
1:23 PM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 20 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are a psycho and a phoney. You sent me a PM proclaiming peace and then you attacked me personally for my post about what constitutes a winger. I hit the old hypocrite nerve in the old gal and you howled in pain lashing out at me in a psycho-rage.
I am done with you and your moronics. You are a hypocrite of the ugliest sort. Why do so many call you a hypocrite, why so many? Because you are one and you cannot face the ugly truth. As for self control you are the one who blathers on and on about what a goddam good christian you are, and then you behave like a pistoff psycho, full of judgements and condemnation. Nice touch on a Sunday. laugh.gif

I realize this board is your life and a life I want no part of.
Good riddance, say what you want about m,e, your opinbion is worthless to me.
Bye

Edited to add good riddance I will never read your crap again forever and ever. Amen. laugh.gif
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No, no, evidently illiterate rabid dog. I attacked your post. Read it. And I stand by every word.

And you really ought to get some professional help for your obsession.
ReverendAlobar
9/20/09
3:55 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 20 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last time I looked this was a discussion board, and discussion is encouraged.


Which is why you PM people asking them to ignore your posts... you're encouraging discussion!
Nativeson
9/20/09
4:04 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 20 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Go outside, take a deep breath, and lift your leg on something. It will make you feel better. Mark that territory real good, and quit lifting your leg on TB threads trying to claim territory that isn't yours.

If the fire hydrant is too far away you might try an electrical transformer. Most of those are unclaimed.
reese
9/20/09
4:38 PM
QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 20 2009, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, no, evidently illiterate rabid dog. I attacked your post. Read it. And I stand by every word.

And you really ought to get some professional help for your obsession.


FYI, even if you block someone from your PM list, if they try to send you a PM it will go to your email account. I found that out the hard way.
Nativeson
9/20/09
4:40 PM
QUOTE (reese @ Sep 20 2009, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FYI, even if you block someone from your PM list, if they try to send you a PM it will go to your email account. I found that out the hard way.

But I only sent one.
Gates of Eden
9/20/09
5:56 PM		Former Dem. congressman James Traficant. Does he qualify as a "winger"?

I like this guy! Hope he runs again & wins back his seat.

doghead
9/20/09
6:36 PM
QUOTE (Nativeson @ Sep 20 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But I only sent one.


I believe you are an honest person. I could not help but read ceejays post thru reese's response to her. Go read ceejay's post to me. She called me a bully and condemned me. Yet today, Sunday , the holiest day of the week, she lied thru her teeth and claimed she only condemned my post not me.
Read it for yourse;f. Poor ceejay cannot admit to you all what is plainy obvious, that she atacked me personally.
I ask that you all forgive her and give her a pass so that perhaps the next time she will use more discretion in her continous condemnation of everyone who is unlike herself.
Do any of you really wan to be like her?Of course not she has a sickness. Than use your compassion and learn from this ugly day.
Peace
ceejay
9/20/09
7:13 PM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 20 2009, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe you are an honest person. I could not help but read ceejays post thru reese's response to her. Go read ceejay's post to me. She called me a bully and condemned me. Yet today, Sunday , the holiest day of the week, she lied thru her teeth and claimed she only condemned my post not me.
Read it for yourse;f. Poor ceejay cannot admit to you all what is plainy obvious, that she atacked me personally.
I ask that you all forgive her and give her a pass so that perhaps the next time she will use more discretion in her continous condemnation of everyone who is unlike herself.
Do any of you really wan to be like her?Of course not she has a sickness. Than use your compassion and learn from this ugly day.
Peace

Whatever happened to IGNORE, rabies????? Wow. That was short-lived!

And, excuse me, but I did not call you a bully, but I said that your actions are what all bullies do. So add reading comprehension to the list for your next vet check.

Would you like to go ahead and post the ugly, nasty, name-calling PM you just sent me, after saying you were never going to respond ever again? Obsession escalates to stalking. Should I be worried about my safety, distemper boy???? Had I indeed called you a bully, your PM would have confirmed the call. Sorry I blew that one!
doghead
9/20/09
7:26 PM		I hope the post I can't read is an admission and an apology for lying to the group. You attacked me personally and then lied and said you were attacking my post. I would post your personal attack but since you are on ignore I cannot.
But all can see you called me a bully and condemned me from your christian high horse.
Ceejay you really need to talk to someone about your issues regarding Talkback. You never admit to being wrong and you condemn people while pretending to be a good christian.And so many have called you a hypoocrite that there must be at least some truth in it.You really need to clean up your act. Seek help and the good lord will forgive your many sins.
God bless....

Nativeson
9/20/09
7:26 PM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 20 2009, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe you are an honest person. I could not help but read ceejays post thru reese's response to her.

You know I was having fun with reese with that comment, right? This may not be the place to latch onto honest Native...
ceejay
9/20/09
7:31 PM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 20 2009, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope the post I can't read is an admission and an apology for lying to the group. You attacked me personally and then lied and said you were attacking my post. I would post your personal attack but since you are on ignore I cannot.
But all can see you called me a bully and condemned me from your christian high horse.
Ceejay you really need to talk to someone about your issues regarding Talkback. You never admit to being wrong and you condemn people while pretending to be a good christian.And so many have called you a hypoocrite that there must be at least some truth in it.You really need to clean up your act. Seek help and the good lord will forgive your many sins.
God bless....


Your original post which started this whole diatribe remains for readers to read. My response was regarding your post.

When you notched it up, I still responded to your behavior, as what bullies do. And your abusive PM confirms that opinion. And your posts continue to be about the poster ceejay and not anything to do with the thread. Not only is that obsessive and stalking, but it is also trolling as it goes across several threads. Time for a veterinary visit, distemper boy.
Nativeson
9/20/09
7:32 PM		I'll be the facilitator so you guys can make up and shake hands. But justplainjoe, will you abide by the rules of Talkback and stop the personal attacks? The hypocrisy mantra isn't cutting it.

QUOTE (ceejay @ Sep 20 2009, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whatever happened to IGNORE, rabies????? Wow. That was short-lived!

And, excuse me, but I did not call you a bully, but I said that your actions are what all bullies do. So add reading comprehension to the list for your next vet check.

Would you like to go ahead and post the ugly, nasty, name-calling PM you just sent me, after saying you were never going to respond ever again? Obsession escalates to stalking. Should I be worried about my safety, distemper boy???? Had I indeed called you a bully, your PM would have confirmed the call. Sorry I blew that one!
Bigmaclender2
9/20/09
7:37 PM
QUOTE (Nativeson @ Sep 20 2009, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll be the facilitator so you guys can make up and shake hands. But justplainjoe, will you abide by the rules of Talkback and stop the personal attacks? The hypocrisy mantra isn't cutting it.


I honestly feel from the bottom of my heart that doghead is no way in he double hockey sticks JPJ. JPJ and I got along wonderful and we PM'ed each other back and forth. I will never believe that doghead is Joe-never. I'm not buying it. i have great perception radar, lol.
Nativeson
9/20/09
7:41 PM
QUOTE (Bigmaclender2 @ Sep 20 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I honestly feel from the bottom of my heart that doghead is no way in he double hockey sticks JPJ. JPJ and I got along wonderful and we PM'ed each other back and forth. I will never believe that doghead is Joe-never. I'm not buying it. i have great perception radar, lol.

Did you see anything odd on your radar when the banned poster, JPJ posted under justplainjoe one time to confirm that he isn't doghead? How do banned posters post? If a banned poster could post posts how many posts would a banned poster post?
Bigmaclender2
9/20/09
7:47 PM
QUOTE (Nativeson @ Sep 20 2009, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you see anything odd on your radar when the banned poster, JPJ posted under justplainjoe one time to confirm that he isn't doghead? How do banned posters post? If a banned poster could post posts how many posts would a banned poster post?


reminds me of the woodchuck routine, lol. That is odd but for the record I don't belive that JPJ is banned.
reese
9/20/09
8:09 PM
QUOTE (Bigmaclender2 @ Sep 20 2009, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
reminds me of the woodchuck routine, lol.


laugh.gif

That was the first thought that crossed my mind as well.
grieker
9/21/09
10:43 AM
QUOTE (doghead @ Sep 19 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeash only the wingers love the troops, that is why the bums said nothing publicly about Haliburton and their actions.
They were silent because they didn't give a rats arse, they are full of crap, they let Bush treat the troops as he pleased. You know it's true which is why you exploded in rage.
Checkmate.
Oh, Joe Wilson did speak up, but not Joe Wilson the nut who yelled at Obama , the Joe Wilson whose wife Cheney and Bush outed as an undercover CIA operative. And you wingers made excuses for that as well while hiding behind the troops.
Wingers are phonies for the most part.
Sorry but that is no joke and I stand behind it.

Ain't it funny how loud and boisterous they are now, the wingers,but when it came to the troops they had a silent letter writing campaign.
Riiiiiihgt!!!!!!!!
But if it was a silent under the radar campaign to save the troops from Haliburton, how did ceejay even know about it. Where were Sean and Rush and Beck?
Case Closed, you lose.
Cee jay you are so brainwashed. laugh.gif


Now your getting as bad as mnpats...
- the Joe Wilson whose wife Cheney and Bush outed as an undercover CIA operative...

It's still a lie.
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