It is the unbearable weakness of Democratic being. They cannot find it in their hearts to strongly argue for their own position. To be fair, in this case, the weakness is mainly Obama’s. The White House has clearly indicated this weekend that they have already given up on the public option — and they’re still begging the Republicans to work with them. Frankly, it’s pathetic.
This continual and monumental weakness has a price. When the other side makes its case and you don’t — you lose. The Republicans never hesitate to make their case, even if they have to lie, cheat and scaremonger to do it. While the Democrats are scared of their own shadow. Obama is playing patty-cakes out there in his town halls. When is the last time he threw a real punch?
Grassley says Obama wants to kill your grandmother. And what’s the price for this hideous slander? Obama promises he’ll continue to reach out to him. Why? Are you looking for advice on how to kill grandma? The guy just spit in your face. What are you going to do about it?
I thought Obama might have understood this, but he clearly doesn’t: In politics, Americans appreciate the notion of strength. They want their leaders to be resolute; say what you will about George W. Bush, and I’ve said plenty, but when he or his administration wanted something they fought for it.
And here’s Obama saying, gee, can’t we all get along and pass a bill with bipartisan support?
So do you believe in the need for reform, Mr. President? And if you believe in it, are you going to fight for it?
When someone spits in your face, are you going to whine about it? Or are you going to smack them right in the mouth?
The Democrats I know are tired of this weakness, tired of a party leadership that lets itself be bullied. Republicans never lack for ruthlessness. And what Obama doesn’t understand is that all this waffling - dropping the public option - progressives will abandon him. Some things are worth fighting for. The Democratic leadership all too often telegraphs the message that nothing is. And in that - they are every bit as contemptible as conservatives say they are.
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So you are suggesting that Democrats should employ the same kinds of tactics as the Republicans?
I believe Obama really wants to build a consensus. Why should he abandon his morals simply because his political opponents have abandoned theirs?
Lisa Armellino 8/18/09 11:26 PM
Unfortunately I find both parties to be working towards the same goal of "control, control, and more control". What happened to the land of the free? If I want to be free of all of this political drivel and central planning, can I be free of it? What if the R's and the D's both really tick me off? I don't care who wants to do what and what they think they will take from me to accomplish what they think should be. It's all ridiculousness.
Gil, how about moving outside the D vs. R for a little? It's starting to bore me terribly...
Unfortunately I find both parties to be working towards the same goal of "control, control, and morecontrol". What happened to the land of the free? If I want to be free of all of this political drivel and central planning, can I be free of it? What if the R's and the D's both really tick me off? I don't care who wants to do what and what they think they will take from me to accomplish what they think should be. It's all ridiculousness.
Gil, how about moving outside the D vs. R for a little? It's starting to bore me terribly...
So you are suggesting that Democrats should employ the same kinds of tactics as the Republicans?
I believe Obama really wants to build a consensus. Why should he abandon his morals simply because his political opponents have abandoned theirs?
Tom Tomorrow says it best:
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If you believe something to be worthwhile/necessary - as I believe health care reform is - then you must fight for it.
Obama, so far, has refused to fight. Sure, it would be nice to have some sort of bipartisan consensus; he would like to show the country that he is a moderate, representing a broader range of interest than the narrow partisans; but Republicans on the whole have shown no interest in compromise whatsoever, with Jon Kyl saying yesterday "there is no way" Senate Republicans are going to support the bill.
So if you believe health care reform necessary - what do you do then? Drop it, oh well, the minority doesn't like it, and sure, maybe they're simply trying to give Obama a bloody nose, but can't we all just get along...
Or do you fight for it? Fight as hard as is necessary to do what you think is right?
I'll say it again: The American public wants its leaders to be resolute and principled. Some things are worth fighting for. Dems don't seem to want to fight for anything.
If you believe something to be worthwhile/necessary - as I believe health care reform is - then you must fight for it.
Obama, so far, has refused to fight. Sure, it would be nice to have some sort of bipartisan consensus; he would like to show the country that he is a moderate, representing a broader range of interest than the narrow partisans; but Republicans on the whole have shown no interest in compromise whatsoever, with Jon Kyl saying yesterday "there is no way" Senate Republicans are going to support the bill.
So if you believe health care reform necessary - what do you do then? Drop it, oh well, the minority doesn't like it, and sure, maybe they're simply trying to give Obama a bloody nose, but can't we all just get along...
Or do you fight for it? Fight as hard as is necessary to do what you think is right?
I'll say it again: The American public wants its leaders to be resolute and principled. Some things are worth fighting for. Dems don't seem to want to fight for anything.
OMg! Tom Tomorrow is great! But hey, don't tell the R's that the D's are going to start to use the R's tactics. Hell, that would be anti American. LMAO!!!
"For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it's like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright," Sen. Barack Obama told a group of fundraisers in New York on Thursday, according to a pool report.
A mere woman almost 12 years his senior was running him into the ground on the campaign trail. I think that's a pretty good indicator of just how much Obunko will fight ... not much at all.
A mere woman almost 12 years his senior was running him into the ground on the campaign trail. I think that's a pretty good indicator of just how much Obunko will fight ... not much at all.
Bad example, Hillary gave up before Obama. She's the one that proves that a lack of perseverance wins no elections.
Bad example, Hillary gave up before Obama. She's the one that proves that a lack of perseverance wins no elections.
Rewriting history? May 31th, the Democrat RBC meets and games the system. Not only do they give Obunko Michigan delegates he is not entitled to under their very own laws, they strip 4 of Hillary's delegates she earned. June 7th, seeing the hand writing on the wall, Dean, Kerry and Kennedy not wanting a woman to go where they couldn't and Nancy Pelosi not will to abide a female Democrt with more power that herself, Hillar bows to the inevitable and concedes throwing her support behind Obunko. Get your facts straight, bot.
A mere woman almost 12 years his senior was running him into the ground on the campaign trail. I think that's a pretty good indicator of just how much Obunko will fight ... not much at all.
Based on the quote you provided, it sounds like he was referring to the folks at the fund raisier. Not himself. I didn't see any indication from the quote that he himself felt run into the ground. Although, I think that would be appropriate given the schedule a candidate has to keep when running for office. I'm guessing that such a schedule would run anyone down irregardless of who their opponent is.
Rewriting history? May 31th, the Democrat RBC meets and games the system. Not only do they give Obunko Michigan delegates he is not entitled to under their very own laws, they strip 4 of Hillary's delegates she earned. June 7th, seeing the hand writing on the wall, Dean, Kerry and Kennedy not wanting a woman to go where they couldn't and Nancy Pelosi not will to abide a female Democrt with more power that herself, Hillar bows to the inevitable and concedes throwing her support behind Obunko. Get your facts straight, bot.
My facts are just fine there bitter one. Hillary quit plain and simple, The Dean,Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy crap is just what you think, not to be confused with actual facts. If you think I'm a bot you haven't paid any attention to anything I've ever posted. You bitterness clouds your judgement just like the rest of the butthurt crowd who's candidate lost. I voted for Bob Barr, he lost, I got over with the rest of the adults. Cmon now, put on your big person shorties and get on with life. Barrack Obama is the president like it or not, America said so on election day. Being bitter will not change anything.
Based on the quote you provided, it sounds like he was referring to the folks at the fund raisier. Not himself. I didn't see any indication from the quote that he himself felt run into the ground. Although, I think that would be appropriate given the schedule a candidate has to keep when running for office. I'm guessing that such a schedule would run anyone down irregardless of who their opponent is.
Later...Shawn
You didn't hear anything like that from the Hillary camp.
You didn't hear anything like that from the Hillary camp.
You mean, she didn't encourage her supporters to fight the good fight? To not relent? I'm guessing every candidate has to give that type of morale boosting speech at sometime during the grueling campaign process. Didn't she break down and cry at some point? I wonder why? I'm sure the campaign wasn't getting to her or anything.
My facts are just fine there bitter one. Hillary quit plain and simple, The Dean,Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy crap is just what you think, not to be confused with actual facts. If you think I'm a bot you haven't paid any attention to anything I've ever posted. You bitterness clouds your judgement just like the rest of the butthurt crowd who's candidate lost. I voted for Bob Barr, he lost, I got over with the rest of the adults. Cmon now, put on your big person shorties and get on with life. Barrack Obama is the president like it or not, America said so on election day. Being bitter will not change anything.
That's why at the coronation er convention they wouldn't give Hillary a row call vote like they did every other male challenger previously?
Sorry, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it a bot.
You mean, she didn't encourage her supporters to fight the good fight? To not relent? I'm guessing every candidate has to give that type of morale boosting speech at sometime during the grueling campaign process. Didn't she break down and cry at some point? I wonder why? I'm sure the campaign wasn't getting to her or anything.
Later...Shawn
Another lie, she never cried but why let facts get in the way of a good smear.
You mean, she didn't encourage her supporters to fight the good fight? To not relent? I'm guessing every candidate has to give that type of morale boosting speech at sometime during the grueling campaign process. Didn't she break down and cry at some point? I wonder why? I'm sure the campaign wasn't getting to her or anything.
Later...Shawn
Exactly right, even Generals feel the need to motivate his troops with words of encouragement, sometimes they even !profanity! them off enough to steel them for the upcoming onslaught. If the General tells you not to be scared, that doesn't mean he is.
Bustina di tè 8/19/09 11:29 AM
Whining about how it's like the Bataan Death March brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "words of encouragement"
How's that heal care reform working out for you? And re-regulating Wall Street?
Sorry, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it a bot.
Makes about as much sense as anything else you post I guess. You should take your comedy show on the road and maybe raise some money for Hillary, next shot at it is in 2012 ya know.
I can't view youtubes from this PC, I'll check it out later.
Bustina di tè 8/19/09 11:37 AM
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Makes about as much sense as anything else you post I guess. You should take your comedy show on the road and maybe raise some money for Hillary, next shot at it is in 2012 ya know.
Gosh, I would but since Obunko has kept all his promises, Hillary doesn't stand a chance.
Whining about how it's like the Bataan Death March brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "words of encouragement"
How's that heal care reform working out for you? And re-regulating Wall Street?
There ia alot of stuff he hasn't done, Iraq, Gitmo, reg wall street, but he is pushing a bill for healthcare. Remember that Hillary could not get her HC plan past congress either.
There ia alot of stuff he hasn't done, Iraq, Gitmo, reg wall street, but he is pushing a bill for healthcare. Remember that Hillary could not get her HC plan past congress either.
It would be nice if we knew what it was. Like John Kerry and Iraq war funding, Obunko was for a public option before he was against it but now he is for it because real Democrats threatened a revolution.
It would be nice if we knew what it was. Like John Kerry and Iraq war funding, Obunko was for a public option before he was against it but now he is for it because real Democrats threatened a revolution.
if we knew what, what was? you lost with this one.
Unfortunately I find both parties to be working towards the same goal of "control, control, and more control". What happened to the land of the free? If I want to be free of all of this political drivel and central planning, can I be free of it? What if the R's and the D's both really tick me off? I don't care who wants to do what and what they think they will take from me to accomplish what they think should be. It's all ridiculousness.
Gil, how about moving outside the D vs. R for a little? It's starting to bore me terribly...
I agree !
notveryhow 8/19/09 3:51 PM
"On what planet do you spend most of your time?"
Barney Frank answering a woman at health care town hall who compared President Obama to Hitler.
"It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated." (Video about 1:20)
So you are suggesting that Democrats should employ the same kinds of tactics as the Republicans?
I believe Obama really wants to build a consensus. Why should he abandon his morals simply because his political opponents have abandoned theirs?
The American people as a whole are dense.Not all but a huge number. They don't respond to logic they respond to symbols. They are too lazy to think things thru and so repubs can easily mold them like putty by dangling symbols before their eyes. They can, thru symbols get half alert people to go against their own best interests. Not all but just enough. That's all they need. Logically most people would not want to keep healthcare the way it is. However, thru the clever use of symbols the repubs have convinced enough people to be so against any change that Obama is cowering in the corner. In one example they used the lie that granny was gonna be put to sleep to save money under healthcare reform. Now only a real moron would believe that but look how many people believed it. They have fellow morons like Palin repeating the lie, so it is more believable.Why she would never lie, would she. Yep, they are morons and no amount of logic will wise them up. So we are stuck with the lowest common denominator dictating our policies because the dems are too stupid to learn the art using symbols to manipulate public opinion. They need to stop giving Americans the benefit of the doubt, and assume, like the gop does, that they are dimwits. Then and only then will they get their way. Using logic on them just doesn't work .
The American people as a whole are dense.Not all but a huge number. They don't respond to logic they respond to symbols. They are too lazy to think things thru and so repubs can easily mold them like putty by dangling symbols before their eyes. They can, thru symbols get half alert people to go against their own best interests. Not all but just enough. That's all they need. Logically most people would not want to keep healthcare the way it is. However, thru the clever use of symbols the repubs have convinced enough people to be so against any change that Obama is cowering in the corner. In one example they used the lie that granny was gonna be put to sleep to save money under healthcare reform. Now only a real moron would believe that but look how many people believed it. They have fellow morons like Palin repeating the lie, so it is more believable.Why she would never lie, would she. Yep, they are morons and no amount of logic will wise them up. So we are stuck with the lowest common denominator dictating our policies because the dems are too stupid to learn the art using symbols to manipulate public opinion. They need to stop giving Americans the benefit of the doubt, and assume, like the gop does, that they are dimwits. Then and only then will they get their way. Using logic on them just doesn't work .
Rewriting history? May 31th, the Democrat RBC meets and games the system. Not only do they give Obunko Michigan delegates he is not entitled to under their very own laws, they strip 4 of Hillary's delegates she earned. June 7th, seeing the hand writing on the wall, Dean, Kerry and Kennedy not wanting a woman to go where they couldn't and Nancy Pelosi not will to abide a female Democrt with more power that herself, Hillar bows to the inevitable and concedes throwing her support behind Obunko. Get your facts straight, bot.
I honestly believe that Hillary would not have backed down like this on the health care issue. She may not have won, but she'd have fought for it, not wimped out to SIGs.
We've got indisputable truth of that right here in Lancaster, PA:
Urban Renewal / demolish much of the commercial district
Taxpayer-financed hotel and convention center project
Streetcar project
Bustina di tè 8/19/09 11:37 PM
Too bad Barny the Lavender Democrat doesn't have a bill to defend. So far it's all supposition and since nature abhors a vacuum, the republicans have had a field day filling in the blank spaces scaring the hell out of people like the woman in the video. Oh and somebody should take up a collection and buy the man dentures that fit so he can speak without slurring his words.
Bustina di tè 8/19/09 11:45 PM
Pyrrhic victory, anyone. Everything the Democrats gained in November of 2008 has been squandered and the disgraced republicans are on the attack. By all rights after the 8 year debacle that was the Bush administration the republicans should be laughed out of town every time they open their pie holes. Yet here they are giving the Democrats wedgies.
Too bad Barny the Lavender Democrat doesn't have a bill to defend. So far it's all supposition and since nature abhors a vacuum, the republicans have had a field day filling in the blank spaces scaring the hell out of people like the woman in the video. Oh and somebody should take up a collection and buy the man dentures that fit so he can speak without slurring his words.
