The dying of the light

April 17th, 2009 4:09 pm · 20 comments

It’s amazing to me how quickly the tea party business dropped almost completely off the radar screen.

Even the day of, Drudge wasn’t promoting it very heavily - lead item, for sure, but demurely so, particularly by Drudge’s “blaring siren” standards. And I was struck by the almost glum tone of some of my right-wing correspondents yesterday who - when I started making fun of the teabagging - didn’t bother to argue that it was too a significant turnout.

What they said instead was, oh, so you’ve got a problem with people who exercise their lawful right to protest?

Not in the least.

Bottom line, my issue with the tea parties was - what exactly were they protesting?

If I thought they were legitimately about protesting government bailouts to AIG and Goldman Sachs and the degree to which an overgrown financial industry has virtually captured the reins of government - I would have been at the protests. But with the exception of some among the Ron Paul/Libertarian faction, that’s not what the protests were about.

Rather, they seemed to be what Sullivan called “tea tantrums.” These were people who showed up simply becausee they were angry that they lost an election, and are now marginalized. “We surround them,” said Glenn Beck, but Beck is wrong (and he knows it) - conservatives, those who (as we said in the vid) cut their teeth on Ronald Reagan, first got OUTRAGED during the Clinton era, voted for Bush twice, guffaw at Rush and Coulter and Hannity and the rest - it is now they who are surrounded. They feel, they perceive, they know that it is the end of the line.

Wednesday, then, was all about raging at the dying of the light.

Word is they’re going to do it again July 4. Go for it. Make good use of your American right to assemble and protest. But in the end, it will have about as much effect on actual American policy as those (far larger) anti-war protests did back in 2002 and 2003. Which is to say: zero.

The conservative movement is old, a spent political force. It does not appeal to a younger generation of voters, and the bitter enders refuse to alter their principles in any way that might attract younger voters. There is no looking forward, it’s all pining for Reagan. Talk-show hosts are the obvious and undisputed leaders of the remnants of the once-powerul coalition. Poll after poll shows a growing number of Americans have a low and falling opinion of the Republican Party. Wednesday’s protests did absolutely nothing to counter that - and might have hastened it.

We are witnessing the end.

There’s a new conservatism out there, waiting to be born after this one finally dies. It’s why I read Larison and a few others. Larison notes, quite correctly, that “mainstream conservatives have become more and more irrelevant to current debates over the last few years” (indeed, it is also this that the tea partiers raged against):

They prefer to operate in their own universe where the “surge” has solved everything in Iraq, bankrupt petro-states threaten to dominate the world, and Jimmy Carter somehow created the housing bubble.  …

<snip>

For my part, this is why I am much more interesed in talking to and engaging with heterodox, meliorist conservatives who tend to break with the movement in other ways, because at least they are interested in ideas and policy discussions, which seem to be incidental at best in mainstream conservative discourse nowadays.

But the likes of Larison, of course, get called “leftist,” or worse. Hell, when one of Hannity’s guests, Bernard frickin’ Goldberg, tells him that “we have to stop going out of our way to find fault with every single thing he does” - he too is talking to the wall.

We make fun of the OUTRAGE because we are tired of the outrage. The outrage is all there is, and it got old years ago. Now it becomes something, merely, to be lampooned.

And the hell of it is, there’s probably more to be outraged about than ever before. But it involves AIG rather than welfare recipients; it involves the hegemony of the financial industry and how this has unduly influenced government policy rather than illegal immigration.

I’ve no doubt the new, eventual right will address these issues, for it must. The battle lines are shifting. Tuesday’s protests represented an attempt by the right to hold a position that has already been overrun. It didn’t work. And it won’t in July, either.

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Artie See
4/18/09
9:27 AM
QUOTE (Lancaster Online @ Apr 17 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bottom line, my issue with the tea parties was - what exactly were they protesting?
skeptic2
4/18/09
9:06 PM
The talk radio hosts can build an audience of 10 million and be hugely successful by appealing to anarchists, anti-intellectual people, angry white men, bigots and even sociopaths. The Republican party can't come back if they appear to be tolerating or pandering to any of the above. Now I know (sincerely)that there are perfectly reasonable individuals who favor small government and dislike Pres. Obama. They just need to be honest in getting their message out rather than using hate as a way to bolster their cause.
gsmart
4/19/09
2:40 AM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Apr 18 2009, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I know (sincerely)that there are perfectly reasonable individuals who favor small government and dislike Pres. Obama.


Absolutely. The libertarian critique of goverment can be a legitimate critique. But this wasn't about legitimate critiques. This was a protest of the outcome of the fall election - a protest of the Republican fall from power. A tea tantrum.

If there are going to be more tea tantrums on July 4, I think those who favor a new direction should also rally. Take public opinion to the streets - that's how democracy should work, right?
Freedom
4/19/09
6:20 AM
QUOTE (gsmart @ Apr 19 2009, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Absolutely. The libertarian critique of goverment can be a legitimate critique. But this wasn't about legitimate critiques. This was a protest of the outcome of the fall election - a protest of the Republican fall from power. A tea tantrum.

If there are going to be more tea tantrums on July 4, I think those who favor a new direction should also rally. Take public opinion to the streets - that's how democracy should work, right?



Its funny that you believe because you won two elections in a row that conservatism is in its final deathroes. I beleive the conservatives thought the same in the late 90's early 2000's. Prattle on Dear Gilby and gin up your followers like the Lancaster Pied Piper you are, but please don't misread the tea leaves. The liberal tax and spend policy of Opie will grow old even with the younger generation when their "service" sector jobs can't sustain his tax increases (which will surely come to the middle and lower classes), and when they have had enough...."this too shall pass".

..the beat goes on..
justplainjoe
4/19/09
6:43 AM
glenn beck is right, they do have us surrounded....on one side.LOL
justplainjoe
4/19/09
6:53 AM
QUOTE (Freedom @ Apr 19 2009, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its funny that you believe because you won two elections in a row that conservatism is in its final deathroes. I beleive the conservatives thought the same in the late 90's early 2000's. Prattle on Dear Gilby and gin up your followers like the Lancaster Pied Piper you are, but please don't misread the tea leaves. The liberal tax and spend policy of Opie will grow old even with the younger generation when their "service" sector jobs can't sustain his tax increases (which will surely come to the middle and lower classes), and when they have had enough...."this too shall pass".

..the beat goes on..


conservatism is not dead it is just seriously ill. why you may ask? because conservatism is poorly defined. it means anyone who hates obama and is a sore loser. it means the angry white draft dodger is the head patriot for the movement.

imagine that, the most patriotic leaders are all a bunch of chickens. think the rest of america doesn't notice and shake their heads?
conservatism has many good points, few of which are evidenced in what "conservatives" have wrought in the past 8 years.
you can't have bellicose spokesmen thundering angry platitudes without offering any positive alternatives. the double whammy is a negative approach coupled with a negative message.
you have angry white men being rancorous and turning people off.
rush and beck will maintain the core of angry white guys but they are those left behind.
reagan had a positive message and exuded opptimism.
hannity and rush and beck are a bunch of complainers. if i happened to be stuck behind them in the checkout line at giant, i would leave that line and flee lest my good vibes become contaminated.LOL
the messenger is the message.
let's see how long it takes for them to rediscover that simple truth.
meanwhile watching beck and his crocodile tears is astonishing in it's insincerity.
who swallows that stuff?
Artie See
4/19/09
6:56 AM
QUOTE (Freedom @ Apr 19 2009, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The liberal tax and spend policy of Opie will grow old even with the younger generation when their "service" sector jobs can't sustain his tax increases (which will surely come to the middle and lower classes), and when they have had enough...."this too shall pass".

..the beat goes on..

What about the liberal spending policies of one George W. Bush and his overwhelmingly Republican congress? GW Bush practically doubled the national debt; is it OK to spend, spend, spend WITHOUT raising taxes? GW Bush's five trillion in debt will take generations to pay off.

The administration of GW Bush saw the largest loss of manufacturing jobs in American history, primarily because those jobs were shipped overseas to third-world countries - many of which the U.S. is not on good terms with. If we must now deal with a service-related economy, it is because of GW Bush's policies that created this situation in the first place.

How easy it is for you to criticize the speck in someone else's eye, while you so thoroughly ignore the log in your own.
Freedom
4/19/09
8:14 AM
QUOTE (Artie See @ Apr 19 2009, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about the liberal spending policies of one George W. Bush and his overwhelmingly Republican congress? GW Bush practically doubled the national debt; is it OK to spend, spend, spend WITHOUT raising taxes? GW Bush's five trillion in debt will take generations to pay off.

The administration of GW Bush saw the largest loss of manufacturing jobs in American history, primarily because those jobs were shipped overseas to third-world countries - many of which the U.S. is not on good terms with. If we must now deal with a service-related economy, it is because of GW Bush's policies that created this situation in the first place.

How easy it is for you to criticize the speck in someone else's eye, while you so thoroughly ignore the log in your own.

You don't win your arguement by saying "well he did it too". Opie has trumped President Bush in multiplying the deficit in his first 60 days (adding 1.2trillion with two strokes of the pen). By your reasoning, someone can come upon people looting a storefront and justify looting themselves by saying "they started it"....lame.

..the beat goes on...
Bigmaclender2
4/19/09
8:16 AM
QUOTE (Freedom @ Apr 19 2009, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
..the beat goes on..


That's one "odd" beat you got going there.........
salty
4/19/09
8:31 AM
QUOTE (gsmart @ Apr 19 2009, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But this wasn't about legitimate critiques. This was a protest of the outcome of the fall election - a protest of the Republican fall from power. A tea tantrum.


LIAR.
Bigmaclender2
4/19/09
8:41 AM
QUOTE (salty @ Apr 19 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LIAR.


How can an opinion be a lie? I'm just curious........
littledutchboy
4/19/09
8:57 AM
And if this was only a tantrum about the last election that’s OK, didn’t BO win the last election because his supporters were more “fired up” then the McCain supporters? I think many of BO’s supporters were voting against the last 8 years of Bush just as much if not more then for BO. People wanted change.



Personally I think the tea parties weren’t about one specific issue but about a broad spectrum of policies like the concept that more government and more government spending is inherently a good thing, ( a concept already discredited time and time again )or that government micro management is a good thing.



As time goes by and more of BO’s liberal agenda is passed by our liberal congress there will be more galvanization of the right and I believe the right will be joined by the center and that this group will be just as rabidly against BO as the left was against Bush, because that’s the way our politics works.

skeptic2
4/19/09
9:07 AM
In 2006, everyone expected the Republicans to do poorly but no one knew it would be such a slaughter in that election. The Demo party had an agenda. They didn't embrace Michael Moore as a leader or encourage rants from Dennis Kucinich.

It worked.
salty
4/20/09
7:55 AM
Bush and the neocons had so damaged the country, without a care for consequences, that the people said "enough!". Then the Dems put impeachment and prosecution off the table as their first act. Once the Obama honeymoon is over, rapidly approaching, we'll see what those voters remember about that. CHANGE?! same old-same old.


An opinion is a lie, when the opiner knows better. Opinion MAKERS should be held accountable for such. The rag that cuts his paycheck covered the event, and their report said nothing about the crap he said they were about. I don't believe for a second that he was ignorant of his own employer's report. He opined what he would rather have seen. Because that fits his story. That's lying in my book.
Artie See
4/20/09
5:20 PM
QUOTE (littledutchboy @ Apr 19 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As time goes by and more of BO’s liberal agenda is passed by our liberal congress there will be more galvanization of the right and I believe the right will be joined by the center and that this group will be just as rabidly against BO as the left was against Bush, because that’s the way our politics works.

In all seriousness:

I firmly believe that you will never find a majority of Americans who want to give up their Social Security, their Medicare, or even their employer-provided health care coverage. These are some of the issues that McCain campaigned on reducing or eliminating, although I don't believe that any of this came from McCain himself, but instead from his handlers. These are the kinds of issues that have helped drive people away from an increasingly extremist Republican leadership, one that really seems to be out of touch from its own people. That's they way our politics works.

The Republican party really needs to rediscover its roots as a party of the people.
cyberscribbler
4/21/09
9:35 AM
QUOTE (Artie See @ Apr 20 2009, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In all seriousness:
I firmly believe that you will never find a majority of Americans who want to give up their Social Security, their Medicare, or even their employer-provided health care coverage.
No politician in their right mind would fiddle too much with either program. Beneficiaries of these programs vote in high percentages.

The republicans need to drop the social issues and embrace the libertarian approach. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal.

No one really cares about gay marriage or the war on Christmas. The outrage chorus that Gil usually inserts into his video is comical because it's so true. Or as Bernard Goldberg put it in the linked article,
QUOTE
"I don't want to put Barack Obama on Mount Rushmore for simply being the commander-in-chief, but we have to stop going out of our way to find fault with every single thing he does," he said. Hannity would not be moved
in other words chose their battles wisely.

With party icons like Rush, Hannity, Coulter & Beck being their media face, coming across like the lunatic fringe, no wonder their numbers continue to dwindle.
johnq
4/21/09
9:56 AM
QUOTE (cyberscribbler @ Apr 21 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No politician in their right mind would fiddle too much with either program. Beneficiaries of these programs vote in high percentages.

The republicans need to drop the social issues and embrace the libertarian approach. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal.

No one really cares about gay marriage or the war on Christmas. The outrage chorus that Gil usually inserts into his video is comical because it's so true. Or as Bernard Goldberg put it in the linked article, in other words chose their battles wisely.

With party icons like Rush, Hannity, Coulter & Beck being their media face, coming across like the lunatic fringe, no wonder their numbers continue to dwindle.
In a rare moment, we agree. I, too, want my SS and Medicare, but mostly because I have paid in. Personally, I would prefer to not pay in and to take care of myself, but that will never happen, and I really do not think it should.

And the Republican Party is at a crossroad. They must change. Funny thing is that the Democrats were at a crossroad not too long ago as well. They made some changes, found their voice, and have had success. Their problem right now is that many of them seem to believe that they have taken over for good, and that the right is dead. The Republicans made that same mistake, and it cost them. It will cost the Democrats as well.
cyberscribbler
4/21/09
10:15 AM
QUOTE (johnq @ Apr 21 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In a rare moment, we agree. I, too, want my SS and Medicare, but mostly because I have paid in. Personally, I would prefer to not pay in and to take care of myself, but that will never happen, and I really do not think it should.

And the Republican Party is at a crossroad. They must change.
Whether you pay to play or not at this point doesn't matter. Many people invested in 401k's because they thought them to be a safe investment. Sixty minutes Sunday had a piece detailing how many of the administrative costs were buried so deep in legalese that your average person would be hard pressed to find out what their real ROI was. So we're seeing the market is not always the tried and true other path. Most have come to realize it , all too painfully as of late.

The mistake the Repubs made was assuming they had achieved a permanent majority. Bush governed as such and suffered from cow-towing to the power elite.

I bring up Katrina as a case study because I feel it's where the public woke up. We were spending billions to prop up an Iraq regime that didn't like us very much, while the people of the Gulf Coast were left to fend for themselves. As KBR & Blackwater demostrated in N.O. privatized is not more effecient, at times it's an assumed license to steal.
johnq
4/21/09
10:53 AM
QUOTE (cyberscribbler @ Apr 21 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The mistake the Repubs made was assuming they had achieved a permanent majority. Bush governed as such and suffered from cow-towing to the power elite.
That's my point. And the Democrats are endanger of doing the same. They have swung things hard to the left. In many ways, they appear to have become arrogant already. Not so much Obama as some of the House and Senate members. Both parties seem to have lost sight of the fact their real strength lies in the middle. The middle that does not want to be jerked too hard in either direction. When you pull too hard on them, they pull back.

But, hey, the Democrats have won for now. It appears likely that things will get better over the next few years, and they will get the credit for that. So it seems likely they will have things for the foreseeable future. But, eventually, tough times will come again, and they will be blamed for that. And by that time, even the Republicans will have gotten themselves straightened out and will win the day.

And to respond to your remarks about 401k's. Anyone who invests money in the stock market, or anything else for that matter, should bother to learn the risks. And to know how to allocate their money correctly as they age, so they can minimize risk as they get older and closer to retirement. You can blame who who want for our current situation, but as an investor (and I forget, but I believe somewhere from 50% to 70% of us do have at least some money in a 401k, or the stock market in some fashion), you need to know that it can happen. The stock market has crashed many times, for a variety of reasons. And even in normal times, market returns can vary considerably. People who invest need to be responsible for knowing that.
cyberscribbler
4/21/09
11:24 AM
QUOTE (johnq @ Apr 21 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They have swung things hard to the left.
The rhetoric changes based on the point being argued at the moment. Reality rarely comes into the picture.

Clearly the outrage is over the dems cow-towing to Wall Street investors who as someone said
"got them into office". Which wasn't the case. Obama won by a grass roots movement utilizing Dean's 50 state strategy that won back the house in 2006.

QUOTE
Anyone who invests money in the stock market, or anything else for that matter, should bother to learn the risks.
You missed the part about hidden costs buried within the contracts which could eat up 40% of the investment. Watch here

The other point being they were marketed as a safer market based (as in non-SS) investment with much fanfare.
The vast middle you claim to speak for responded in the last election to these type of gotcha scenarios.
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