Well, it’s not just right-wing Christians; that’s a hallmark of the right wing in general, the persecution complex, the siege mentality. They’re victims!

This has nothing to do with persecution or being victims.

It is about defending the constitutional rights of Christians, something you so desperately would love to deny them, simply because you disagree.

It is about…
- Defending the constitutional right of free speech.
- Defending the constitutional right to peaceful protests.
- Defending the right of business owners to run their businesses according to their beliefs.
- Defending the constitutional right to vote one's conscience.

You know the ACLU would agree with you Goldilocks...they fight for the same rights for Non-Christians and Christians alike...yet in this ad they are shown as 'the opposition"...what's that about? Because this ad isn't really about constitutional rights...it's about implementing NEW laws to impose a Christian value set to a secular society...

The ad addresses free speech, the right to peaceful protests, the right to vote one's conscience. These are not new laws. They are as old as the constitution.

and "government" supression of these rights is not now, nor has it ever been, limited to Christians and their causes...just ask the anti war.or anti globalization crowd how they've been treated by the "police state" lately? The bigger issue is NOT supression of Christains and their ideals...it's supression of rights by the government...but this ad appeals directly to the cause as a societal victim mentality...Christian ideals against "them"...and the "them" is not the gov't but the secular members of the same society being denied the same rights...

Okay, I see your point. Secular society is denying Christians certain rights afforded them by the constitution. Does that make them victims. I suppose it does depending how you look at it.

However using that same logic, aren't all the same sex couples who want the privilege of marriage doing the same thing. Crying "persecution" "victims"? In fact they are far worse in that area than the Christians, revealing once again, Gil's hypocrisy.

However using that same logic, aren't all the same sex couples who want the privilege of marriage doing the same thing. Crying "persecution" "victims"? In fact they are far worse in that area than the Christians, revealing once again, Gil's hypocrisy.

I think you missed my point. What rights has "Secular society" denied Christians?

The only reason they are "far worse" than Christians in "crying persecution," is because they are ACTUALLY BEING PERSECUTED, NOT JUST PRETENDING.

Go to ADF's site and read for yourself what cases they defended and won, based on existing laws and the constitution.

Denied Christians the right to use public facilities that are open to other groups.
Denied Christians from expressing their faith in the workplace.
Prevent Christian Students the right to pray and express their beliefs in public schools.
Prevent the freedom to peaceful protests

Part of the problem, Goldi, is that not all Christians practice their faith in identical ways. Most mainstream Christians do not approve of polygamy, yet there are some Mormons (who ARE Christians) who believe polygamous marriages to be a tenet of their faith. There are churches (and I do not mean MCC's) who perform Holy Unions for LGBT couples, and do not believe it is going against the Bible. We don't allow plural marriages, therefore we are infringing on the rights of those Mormons, yes? Every group can see themselves being "persecuted" in some way; it is all the POV or lens you are looking through, IMO

FYI , In comnparison to the horrible persecution that goes on around the world, American Christians aren't truly being persecuted and neither are same sex couples who are denied the privilege of marriage.

Denied Christians the right to use public facilities that are open to other groups.
Denied Christians from expressing their faith in the workplace.
Prevent Christian Students the right to pray and express their beliefs in public schools.
Prevent the freedom to peaceful protests

This happens all the time, but it never makes the news, like it would if it involved some gay people.
Go to ADF's site and read for yourself what cases they defended and won, based on existing laws and the constitution.

FYI , In comnparison to the horrible persecution that goes on around the world, American Christians aren't truly being persecuted and neither are same sex couples who are denied the privilege of marriage.

4.Prevent the freedom of peaceful protest - where? protests take place all the time christian and non christian. It is a right given to you or any other person by the constitution. Name a time and place where this was not allowed. As long as all laws are being followed it cant be stopped.

I think this reference is to holding up pictures of aborted fetuses along highways. Personally, I'm for being able to protest, but like alot of people, disgusted by the method.