Civil restrictions

November 12th, 2008 10:51 pm · 5 comments

What I like most about Steve Cornell’s column in our paper last weekend on Teh Dreaded Gay is one single line:

We will be under the tyranny of tolerance and no exception will be tolerated!

The tyranny of tolerance!

My goodness. How despotic to ask that all people, regardless of whom they might be sleeping with, have the same rights.

To his credit, I suppose, Cornell at least asserts that Teh Gay should be left alone to do his or her thing so long as they don’t ask for the same rights as the rest of us.

But it’s rather disingenuous for Cornell to insinuate that - sure, he’d be right there on the front lines if we were talking about discrimination for any other reason:

Civil-rights battles should be restricted to matters of nature, not lifestyle.

I’d be right there, baby, if we were talking about blacks being discriminated against instead of gays.

Funny thing, though. The course I’m taking this semester is called Religion & Politics (topical, no?). The readings and the discussions have been about the role religion has played in shaping our politics; and that role has been substantial throughout history. It is no stretch whatsoever to say that without “people of faith,” some of the greatest moral victories in our history - like the abolition of slavery - would never have been achieved.

But I’ve long been wary of the religions right’s attempt to embrace these historical victories as their own. A century and a half ago - would it have been the religious right that would have stood against slavery?

Why, no.

Indeed, if you see today’s “religious right” as an outgrowth of southern evanglicalism - which it is - then perhaps you’d understand that it was southern evangelicalism that defended slavery. The northern abolitionists, in fact, were considered the radical leftists of their time (though left and right now bears little relation to how the sides were divvied up then).

But this is the thing that’s always bothered me about conservative evangelicalism. During the 1950s and 1960s, was it conservative evangelicals who were at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement? Why, no. It was northern, liberal churches - those mainline denominations that we like to denigrate as “dying” today. Indeed, I just finished a book on Martin Luther King Jr. in which the author declared that King’s faith was “university-acquired.”

University??? Elitist!

The reality is, 40 years ago - 150 years ago - the Steve Cornells of the world were most certainly not on the front lines of the war over racial discrimination. They like to think they would have been, of course - and it’s easy to think that now, because religion did play the key role in the movement. But let us not forget that Jerry Falwell’s opposition to the Civil Rights Movement - in his terminology, the Civil Wrongs Movement.

For the religious right only recently turned to politics; and in that time, it has been far less concerned with matters of equality than it has been in keeping equality at bay if equality threatens the nation’s “moral fabric” - as determined, of course, by the religious right.

So when the likes of Cornell say Sure, we’re right there when we’re talking about civil rights on the basis of how you were born, don’t believe it. Cultural conservatism is virtually never interested in rights - only restrictions.

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  5 comments  Tags: Homosexuality · Religious conservatism

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clanker
11/12/08
10:21 PM
QUOTE (Lancaster Online @ Nov 12 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Wow, good post. Explains why I feel like I'm living amongst reverse carpetbaggers.
dragonrider
11/12/08
11:08 PM
QUOTE (clanker @ Nov 13 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, good post. Explains why I feel like I'm living amongst reverse carpetbaggers.

One of the best post you have ever written.
navybrat18
11/13/08
10:24 PM
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution provides that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The key words are "any person." The rights guaranteed under the Constitution are individual rights not group rights. Under most states' laws, marriage is defined as a union of one man and one woman. Among other things, these laws also restrict marriages among family members and the marriage of a person under a certain age. "Teh Gays" as you put it have the same right as any other adult, to marry one person of the opposite sex. They choose not, instead they seek to change the definition of marriage, mostly through judicial fiat. When the people are given the choice, for the most part, they choose to not redefine marriage. And then those people are ridiculed as being intolerant. And there's the rub, people that preach tolerance cannot tolerate that the people do not support their position.
NotEven
11/13/08
11:08 PM
QUOTE (navybrat18 @ Nov 13 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution provides that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The key words are "any person." The rights guaranteed under the Constitution are individual rights not group rights. Under most states' laws, marriage is defined as a union of one man and one woman. Among other things, these laws also restrict marriages among family members and the marriage of a person under a certain age. "Teh Gays" as you put it have the same right as any other adult, to marry one person of the opposite sex. They choose not, instead they seek to change the definition of marriage, mostly through judicial fiat. When the people are given the choice, for the most part, they choose to not redefine marriage. And then those people are ridiculed as being intolerant. And there's the rub, people that preach tolerance cannot tolerate that the people do not support their position.

If thais your position, then if one person, a single entity and another person, another single entity desired to be married in their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, the 14th Ammendment should guarantee that right regardless of their gender. "Teh Gays" are NOT a group. They are individual people with individual thoughts and individual lives who have in common a sexual desire for those who are of the same gender.

Just as I said in the other thread (that was overlooked due to someone wanting to show their backside) morals, honor and dignity are no longer present in today's society. At least it isn't present in certain areas of the country.
Lancater City is becoming more and void of morals by the day. A few folks are hanging in there and will continue to, but the majority is so lacking that it is making a city where each person is interested only in their own well being with no concern for those around them.

Luckily, we have checks and balances in our government. We have courts that will strike down laws that favor the majority and discriminate against the minority. Of course the majority is going to VOTE to have things "their way", that goes without saying. We have courts that are there to interpret the constitution and to uphold it's integrity. The majority doesn't have the right to steamrollthe minority and gay marriage will come about regardless of what any election or any proposition may declare.
If we went alone by "majority rule" there would still be slavery, blacks wouldn't be able to vote or own land and there would be no interracial marriage and runaway slaves would be punished on the courthouse lawn and women would still be tried and tortured as witches.
Our grandchildren will look at gay marriage the same way we look at interacial marriage today, as no big deal and will be amazed that people could have been so prejudiced and hateful as to try to deny it.
Of course I'm still happy it hadn't happened yet, it saved me from alimony.
usedmeat
11/14/08
10:54 AM
No Palin bashing? Who are you and what have you done with the real Gil?

The word you are looking for is reactionary. Those people want us to return to the "Good Old Days" that never were.
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