O’Reilly’s tribe

July 25th, 2008 4:00 pm · 3 comments

Sort of amazed by this, but by now I shouldn’t be.

O’Reilly and his ilk continue to maintain that waterboarding isn’t torture, despite the fact that after WWII the U.S. prosecuted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding U.S. servicemen. It was a war crime then. So what’s changed?

Well, obviously the fact that the “good guys” are using the technique, and thus it’s a lie to call this thing we have prosecuted as torture “torture.” But there is a certain strain in American thought, and O’Reilly is representative of it, that would excuse anything. It’s not that he doesn’t belive waterboarding is torture; it’s that he resents that anyone would accuse the U.S. of torture, even if we are torturing; he especially resents that an American politician might acknowledge this to strangers, Europeans, selling out the tribe.

The tribe must be protected at all times, and whatever the tribe does in pursuit of this is permitted; and because the tribe is itself moral, whatever the tribe does to protect itself is therefore also moral, or at least serves moral ends.

For while the tribe may formulate rules that apply to the rest of the world, those rules - like the Geneva conventions - don’t always apply to the tribe. To insist that they must - or worse, to disclose to those outside the tribe that we broke the rules - that is the worst betrayal of all, a betrayal of the tribe itself.

There have been O’Reillys in every society; and those who have treated their foes in a less than humane manner as a matter of policy (that’s the important part) are always motivated by the same rationale. The U.S. has not tortured anyone even if we have - and what’s your loyalty, to those “rules?” Or to the tribe itself?

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  3 comments  Tags: Bill O'Reilly · Torture

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dragonrider
7/26/08
1:57 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jul 25 2008, 04:05 PM) [snapback]415667[/snapback]


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The US government tortured prisoners in our name, we need to aknowledge that just as Germany had to come to terms with the holocaust, we need to accept that yes the US government sanctioned and commited torture.
rotenone
7/26/08
9:02 PM
If O'Reilly weren't so sanctimonious and self-righteous, he might choose to undergo waterboarding himself to formulate an opinion from firsthand experience. I bet he'd come away with a different viewpoint. Even if that were the case, though, he probably wouldn't have the courage to espouse it, because, as you suggest, it would challenge the law of the tribe, which is basically "groupthink."
gsmart
7/27/08
12:55 AM
QUOTE(rotenone @ Jul 26 2008, 09:02 PM) [snapback]415974[/snapback]
If O'Reilly weren't so sanctimonious and self-righteous, he might choose to undergo waterboarding himself to formulate an opinion from firsthand experience.

Hitchens did it.
The point, though, isn't that O'Reilly won't put his money where his mouth is, is that in defense of the tribe, he'd say worse wasn't torture. It's not a matter of whether the tribe actually committed the acts of which they stand accused; it's that anyone would dare even SUGGEST we would do such a thing. The tribe must not be impugned.


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