Except that here in Lancaster County, the moment the head of the regional planning agency goes to meet with developers he’s instantly called a sell-out, obviously shilling for the building industry.
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July 15th, 2008 3:33 pm · 22 comments
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| lee41 7/15/08 4:38 PM | QUOTE For decades, backers of "smart-growth" planning principles have preached the benefit of clustering the places where people live more closely with the businesses where they work and shop. Sounds good. QUOTE But they were often isolated experiments, connected to their surroundings mainly by car. Oops. Independence would rely on car traffic. Any shops in Independence would rely on traffic from outside the development. Virtually all of the working residents in Independence would commute, unless a the majority of Kellogg's workers made Independence their new home. Smart Growth and Growing Together may look good on paper. But throwing a few shops in a development and putting that high density development in the middle of nowhere does not truly address future needs. Setting boundaries for development is not a magic cure-all. There is no proposed high-density development planned for Lancaster City. In fact, Growing Together slated a whopping 150 new residential units for the City through 2030. Growing Together is focused on residential development density, but seems to limit commercial development (jobs) to a few shops within the TND. Where are the jobs? Did someone forget that part? What business parks are planned for near the Lancaster train station? Where are the TND's in East Lampeter that would complement Donnelley, Greenfield, High, Rockvale, Tanger? Where is the planned commercial/industrial development to complement Independence? Now THAT would be comprehensive planning. The closest we can get to this in EHT is Rohrerstown Road across from Stauffers. But I am not sure the nearby businesses would provide enough jobs to support the new housing. Even if it did provide a significant number of jobs, for this location to really work, 741 would probably need to be 5 lanes from Harrisburg Pike to 462 and beyond. Making Running Pump 3 lanes with a new on/off ramp to 30 might also help to alleviate congestion. But it sounds like the money is not there for that, and the planners simply hope everyone will walk or ride their bike to work. |
| MCorolla 7/15/08 7:08 PM | Are you for real? I read this article the other day about the President lifting the ban on offshore drilling. (Congress hasn't taken steps to remove their bans yet). Today, the cost of oil per barrel dropped $10! http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...refer=worldwide http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5Ttajg...HBB-tAD91UC0U81 What is wrong with this picture? |
| lee41 7/15/08 7:42 PM | ??? ??? |
| rotenone 7/16/08 3:38 AM | QUOTE(MCorolla @ Jul 15 2008, 07:08 PM) [snapback]411595[/snapback] Are you for real? I read this article the other day about the President lifting the ban on offshore drilling. (Congress hasn't taken steps to remove their bans yet). Today, the cost of oil per barrel dropped $10! http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...refer=worldwide http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5Ttajg...HBB-tAD91UC0U81 What is wrong with this picture? Since speculators are essentially driving up prices (as a result of deregulation), this price drop is probably temporary. Any oil or gas obtained through offshore drilling will be sold on the world market years from now and will have little effect on current high prices. W. is pushing to allow more drilling to help out his buddies in the oil industry. |
| dragonrider 7/16/08 7:09 AM | Bushed has the answer to high gasoline prices and he stated it yesterday, turn off your air conditioners and middle america will just need to learn to adjust to not being able to afford things they used to. Thank you Bushed for your compassionate conservativism |
| podunk 7/16/08 7:16 AM | At least he was honest. Sometimes the truth hurts. The problem is we never get told the truth. Wish the candidates would start speaking the truth. |
| dragonrider 7/16/08 8:34 AM | QUOTE(podunk @ Jul 16 2008, 07:16 AM) [snapback]411692[/snapback] At least he was honest. Sometimes the truth hurts. The problem is we never get told the truth. Wish the candidates would start speaking the truth. The last president to speak truth like that had the same approval ratings as this one, remember Jimmy Carter and his sweaters. |
| podunk 7/16/08 8:49 AM | Truth? The Carter administration told us there was only a 30 year supply of petro products in the ground. That was 1979. Guess we should be running out this time next year. |
| ArtVandolay 7/16/08 9:28 AM | QUOTE(dragonrider @ Jul 16 2008, 07:09 AM) [snapback]411690[/snapback] Bushed has the answer to high gasoline prices and he stated it yesterday, turn off your air conditioners and middle america will just need to learn to adjust to not being able to afford things they used to. Thank you Bushed for your compassionate conservativism That's not what I heard - what he said was he felt that Americans were smart enough to make their own decisions about how and what to conserve, how fast to drive. Nothing like Jimmy "Cardigan" Carter. Traders took a look at a feisty and aggressive George Bush and started selling the market well before a single new drop of oil has been lifted. What does this tell us? Well, if Congress moves to seal the deal, oil prices will probably keep on falling. That’s the way traders work. They discount the future. Psychology and expectations can turn on a dime. The congressional ban on offshore drilling expires September 30, so that becomes a key date. A new report from Wall Street research house Sanford C. Bernstein says that California actually could start producing new oil within one year if the moratorium were lifted. The California oil is under shallow water and already has been explored. Drilling platforms have been in place since before the moratorium. They’re talking about 10 billion barrels worth off the coast of California. http://kudlow.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N...MmZmNDVmMjA0ZWY= with the latest polling indicating that Congress has totally lost the confidence of the citizens, (14% approval rating for July) and most citizens want to start drilling, they might want to cow towe to the people who voted them in. |
| dragonrider 7/16/08 9:44 AM | QUOTE(ArtVandolay @ Jul 16 2008, 09:28 AM) [snapback]411748[/snapback] That's not what I heard - what he said was he felt that Americans were smart enough to make their own decisions about how and what to conserve, how fast to drive. Nothing like Jimmy "Cardigan" Carter. Traders took a look at a feisty and aggressive George Bush and started selling the market well before a single new drop of oil has been lifted. What does this tell us? Well, if Congress moves to seal the deal, oil prices will probably keep on falling. That's the way traders work. They discount the future. Psychology and expectations can turn on a dime. The congressional ban on offshore drilling expires September 30, so that becomes a key date. A new report from Wall Street research house Sanford C. Bernstein says that California actually could start producing new oil within one year if the moratorium were lifted. The California oil is under shallow water and already has been explored. Drilling platforms have been in place since before the moratorium. They're talking about 10 billion barrels worth off the coast of California. http://kudlow.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N...MmZmNDVmMjA0ZWY= with the latest polling indicating that Congress has totally lost the confidence of the citizens, (14% approval rating for July) and most citizens want to start drilling, they might want to cow towe to the people who voted them in. |
| ArtVandolay 7/16/08 9:52 AM | QUOTE(dragonrider @ Jul 16 2008, 09:44 AM) [snapback]411753[/snapback] Yes and on the morning joe msnbc I saw that Bushed approval ratings are at the lowest they have ever been. And he did say that we should turn off our air conditioners. Well, gawleee! That's news? He's at 26, hard to believe he's beating congress! I can't find that statement(about air conditioners) any where, and I did not hear that while listening to the press conference. But, I'll take you word for it. |
| lee41 7/16/08 10:28 AM | Good old Kudlow. In 2005 he said there was no housing bubble and said housing prices would not crash. Prices went up when Bush urged Congress to drop the off-shore drilling ban. But now that he showed he really meant it, that caused prices to fall? |
| Livin-in-Lancaster 7/16/08 11:11 AM | QUOTE(lee41 @ Jul 15 2008, 04:38 PM) [snapback]411572[/snapback] Independence would rely on car traffic. Any shops in Independence would rely on traffic from outside the development. Virtually all of the working residents in Independence would commute, unless a the majority of Kellogg's workers made Independence their new home. There should be a requirement that if you are going to live in a high density TND that you actually work in the high density TND. That will actually curb traffic. I'm sure it's a simple request that the builders can work with. I'm sure the cashiers at Wegman's or Target would have easily gotten the $350,000 mortgage they would have needed once they moved to Independence. Then the additional 7000 cars would never impact the surrounding roads. This is really a shame. The word Independence actually meant something of value like in The Declaration of Independence. Now its come to mean a money making scam that NOBODY bought into. |
| dragonrider 7/16/08 12:31 PM | QUOTE(ArtVandolay @ Jul 16 2008, 09:52 AM) [snapback]411757[/snapback] Well, gawleee! That's news? He's at 26, hard to believe he's beating congress! I can't find that statement(about air conditioners) any where, and I did not hear that while listening to the press conference. But, I'll take you word for it. |
| lee41 7/16/08 12:47 PM | In discussing his lack of a magic wand to fix the energy crisis, Bush was talking about what Americans can and are doing: QUOTE You know, if they're not in their home, they don't keep their air-conditioning running. There's a lot of things people can do. |
| rotenone 7/16/08 3:34 PM | QUOTE(podunk @ Jul 16 2008, 07:16 AM) [snapback]411692[/snapback] At least he was honest. Sometimes the truth hurts. The problem is we never get told the truth. Wish the candidates would start speaking the truth. Bush telling the truth? When did he start that? |
| rotenone 7/16/08 4:15 PM | QUOTE(lee41 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:47 PM) [snapback]411850[/snapback] In discussing his lack of a magic wand to fix the energy crisis, Bush was talking about what Americans can and are doing: [size=-1] Yes, as is usual in a Republican economy, us po' folk have to tighten our belts once again, while the rich keep on living the way they always have, oblivious to the plight of others. |
| podunk 7/16/08 6:23 PM | If you don't like it then become one of the rich folk. Of course that would take hard work.... |
| rotenone 7/16/08 6:41 PM | QUOTE(podunk @ Jul 16 2008, 06:23 PM) [snapback]411979[/snapback] If you don't like it then become one of the rich folk. Of course that would take hard work.... In today's economy, there are lots of hardworking people who aren't getting rich. They're paying bills, raising families, going to college, but because of an increasingly high cost of living, many are just making ends meet or are falling deeper into debt. |
| podunk 7/16/08 7:08 PM | There is fault in your logic grasshopper. Being rich does not necessarily mean being well off financially. However for those who are rich with cash, they will always have the the control and will be out of touch with the common folk. While today's economy is tougher then the last 20 years, it is still much better then many years before that. I haven't seen people handing over their cell phones, canceling their cable television or letting their cars sit idle. As a matter of fact, quite a few businesses I work with are doing better then last year. Some are experiencing record sales. |
| rotenone 7/16/08 7:27 PM | QUOTE(podunk @ Jul 16 2008, 07:08 PM) [snapback]411992[/snapback] There is fault in your logic grasshopper. Being rich does not necessarily mean being well off financially. However for those who are rich with cash, they will always have the the control and will be out of touch with the common folk. While today's economy is tougher then the last 20 years, it is still much better then many years before that. I haven't seen people handing over their cell phones, canceling their cable television or letting their cars sit idle. As a matter of fact, quite a few businesses I work with are doing better then last year. Some are experiencing record sales. I understand what you're saying and agree with a few of your points. I consider myself rich in some ways and am also lucky enough to be paying my bills, but there are those who are less fortunate, for whatever reason. You're right about people not turning in their cellphones and so on. It hasn't gotten to that point yet and hopefully it won't. |
| dragonrider 7/17/08 1:30 AM | QUOTE(lee41 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:47 PM) [snapback]411850[/snapback] In discussing his lack of a magic wand to fix the energy crisis, Bush was talking about what Americans can and are doing: You know the last president to use his magic wand got impeached, don't save that dress. |
