Colonialism

July 9th, 2008 9:32 am · 8 comments

Juan Cole notes how the sudden Iraqi interest in timetables for a U.S. withdrawal doesn’t bode too well for Mr. McCain:

McCain always had a difficult case to make to the American people about why they needed to expend blood and treasure to stay in Iraq. McCain maintains that it is for their own safety, but polling shows that most people do not buy that argument. Now McCain has to argue for keeping the troops there even though the Iraqi people and even the pro-American prime minister do not want them there.

That position will sound like colonialism to many Americans– an expensive, sanguinary colonialism that they have to pay for.

But it is colonialism and always was. Was always meant to be - despite our sanctimonious statements that all we want was freedom and peace and justice for the Iraqi people. We, the occupying power, will be the judge of all three - it’s not even for the Iraqis themselves to decide when any of those “goals” are attained, we’ll decide that too.

In other words, sure - you can have your country back when we’re good and ready to give it to you. And even then, you’re going to have tens of thousands of U.S. troops stationed within it. Get used to it, because that’s the only “freedom” Iraqis are going to get.

Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Netvouz
  • DZone
  • ThisNext
  • MisterWong
  • Wists

  8 comments  Tags: War in Iraq

There are currently 8 comments on this blog post
View Topic | Comment on this blog
Pericles
7/9/08
11:24 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jul 9 2008, 09:35 AM) [snapback]409275[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


Gil,

Do you really believe that the Iraqi government wants a speedy withdrawal of US troops?

I believe that what were hearing now from some Iraqi officials is for political purposes, for consumption by the Iraqi masses. The government knows all too well that a precipitous withdrawal would likely have dire consequences for the country.

We have bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. We have prepositioned shipping on Diego Garcia. We can project plenty of power from the sea. We have troops in Afghanistan. It's not as if Iraq is our only option for having a presence in the region.

What colonialism? We've been giving back territory since 1970. Okinawa. Panama Canal. Bases in the Philipinnes.
The Logical One
7/9/08
11:27 AM
What was the purpose of this piece?
justplainjoe
7/9/08
11:53 AM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Jul 9 2008, 11:24 AM) [snapback]409348[/snapback]


Gil,

Do you really believe that the Iraqi government wants a speedy withdrawal of US troops?

I believe that what were hearing now from some Iraqi officials is for political purposes, for consumption by the Iraqi masses. The government knows all too well that a precipitous withdrawal would likely have dire consequences for the country.

We have bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. We have prepositioned shipping on Diego Garcia. We can project plenty of power from the sea. We have troops in Afghanistan. It's not as if Iraq is our only option for having a presence in the region.

What colonialism? We've been giving back territory since 1970. Okinawa. Panama Canal. Bases in the Philipinnes.


i said it before and i'll say it again, we went there to steal their oil.

that is the only thing that makes sense.

when they sign the oil agreement giving control of iraqi oil to american companies, then we will think about leaving.

we didn't build that fortress of an embassy because we love freedom..



Pericles
7/9/08
12:29 PM
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Jul 9 2008, 11:53 AM) [snapback]409379[/snapback]


we didn't build that fortress of an embassy because we love freedom..


You're right. We built a fortress to protect against incoming rounds.
gsmart
7/9/08
10:01 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Jul 9 2008, 11:24 AM) [snapback]409348[/snapback]

Do you really believe that the Iraqi government wants a speedy withdrawal of US troops?


No, I don't think they want a "speedy" withdrawal of U.S. troops - but the defense minister has since said they want us out by 2011 or 2012, earliest.

And sure, this might be propaganda for the masses - but that's pretty indicative that "the masses," one of them Sistani, want us out. And if what we've established in Iraq is supposed to be a democracy or anything like it, what "the masses" want is supposed to count. And it's their d*mned country anyway.

If they want us out we pretty much need to leave, unless the argument that this was never about "securing America's interest, even/especially oil" is now inoperative. Which, as Max Boot suggests in the L.A. Times, it seems to be:

Despite recent gains in security, the situation remains fragile and U.S. forces will need to remain in Iraq for years to nurture this embattled democracy--and not so incidentally to protect our own interests in the region.

"Not so incidentally." This was "not so incidentally" the motive all along. And if it was, our forces are not coming home, period. They were never meant to.
podunk
7/9/08
10:10 PM
If they want us out, then would not the government as a whole pass a referendum or something of that nature? Do we go by just one person who gave a comment? Of course our media does. It helps sell advertising.
dragonrider
7/9/08
11:05 PM
QUOTE(podunk @ Jul 9 2008, 10:10 PM) [snapback]409676[/snapback]
If they want us out, then would not the government as a whole pass a referendum or something of that nature? Do we go by just one person who gave a comment? Of course our media does. It helps sell advertising.
Really GWBush seems to think he can sign a military agreement with Iraq without a referendum in the US you mean Iraq has to have more of a democracy than the US.
podunk
7/10/08
7:14 AM
We are a republic. We are not a direct democracy. As citizens we do not get to vote on each and every issue. We elect representatives to make those decisions for us. If we don't like them, then we can choose to not vote for them the next election.

I am not sure what Iraq is or isn't. If you read the news articles, it does say the Iraqi PM is trying to reach an agreement with the U.S. without going through parliament.

View Topic | Comment on this blog