What might stop The Crossings

July 8th, 2008 9:50 am · 9 comments

Discussion last night about how Lancaster County’s economy seems to weather the economic storms better than most. There are reasons for that, but also limits.

So I was curious to see this piece linked on Atrios, about rising retail vacancies:

Strip malls, which are usually anchored by grocery or drug stores, saw average vacancies spike 0.5 percentage points to 8.2 percent, a level unseen since 1995, according to the report released on Monday.

Vacancies at regional malls rose 0.4 percentage points to 6.3 percent, the highest level since the first quarter of 2002, according to the preliminary results.

Thought of High’s “The Crossings” when I saw this. This is not, you might say, the most economically favorable environment in which to be building a large new shopping center right down the street from the established, large shopping center.

People get angry when told that Lancaster is “under-stored” - Who cares if we don’t have a Best Buy, our success as a community doesn’t rest on whether we do or we don’t! And that’s true. But nevertheless, those retail chains that aren’t here see the relative success of our local economy, the money we have to spend, and want to be here; or they have wanted to be here. Be interesting to see if that’s still the case in this economy; and if not, how that impacts the plans to make room for them in brand-new shopping malls.

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  9 comments  Tags: Economy · Development · Lancaster

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charlie_crystle
7/9/08
12:02 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jul 8 2008, 09:55 AM) [snapback]408947[/snapback]


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We have national chains. We need more local variety--buy local. Do the work people, seek out good local vendors and buy there. Stop thinking in terms of line item savings in your budget. You're shopping yourselves out of a strong local economy.



If Crossing's is a High-owned project, they'll pull out or slow down, but if they are just the builder I imagine they'll continue to push until the future owner pulls out. The question someone (hint) should ask High Steel is what is their profit margin on these projects? Or just on the steel? My point is that these are not public service projects.

The Logical One
7/9/08
8:39 AM
QUOTE(charlie_crystle @ Jul 9 2008, 12:02 AM) [snapback]409193[/snapback]

We have national chains. We need more local variety--buy local. Do the work people, seek out good local vendors and buy there. Stop thinking in terms of line item savings in your budget. You're shopping yourselves out of a strong local economy.



So you think those who are struggling week to week should spend more on the food they buy to help save the economy? How does one buy local, yet not waste gas by driving around to different places?
Kate
7/9/08
8:47 AM
QUOTE(charlie_crystle @ Jul 9 2008, 12:02 AM) [snapback]409193[/snapback]

We have national chains. We need more local variety--buy local. Do the work people, seek out good local vendors and buy there. Stop thinking in terms of line item savings in your budget. You're shopping yourselves out of a strong local economy.

If Crossing's is a High-owned project, they'll pull out or slow down, but if they are just the builder I imagine they'll continue to push until the future owner pulls out. The question someone (hint) should ask High Steel is what is their profit margin on these projects? Or just on the steel? My point is that these are not public service projects.

QUOTE(The Logical One @ Jul 9 2008, 08:39 AM) [snapback]409237[/snapback]


So you think those who are struggling week to week should spend more on the food they buy to help save the economy? How does one buy local, yet not waste gas by driving around to different places?

By planning ahead of time. I agree with Charlie - buy local and support your local businesses.

I shop at Central Market for food instead of Giant/Weis. Yes, Central Market is a bit more expensive than the chain stores but I am helping local farmers and businesses.

This morning I took my car to Cabbage Hill Towing for inspection rather than Firestone (a chain).

For a specialty cup of coffee (a real treat in these hard economic times) I will go to Prince Street Cafe or Square One Coffee Shop instead of Starbucks. Locally, Gerhart makes the best coffee for brewing at home.

Lysol54
7/9/08
8:51 AM
QUOTE(The Logical One @ Jul 9 2008, 08:39 AM) [snapback]409237[/snapback]


So you think those who are struggling week to week should spend more on the food they buy to help save the economy? How does one buy local, yet not waste gas by driving around to different places?




Thats not really true there Logical. Many local grocery stores for example are actually cheaper on certian items than Weis or Giant. Although overall Giant is tough to beat on most prices, but the local SF stores are actually cheaper than Weis on the top 100 items purchased from grocery stores. Also most deli's at the local stores are also cheaper . So you don't really have to drive all over the place, you just need to know where to look.
mam0412
7/9/08
10:28 AM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jul 9 2008, 08:51 AM) [snapback]409243[/snapback]

Thats not really true there Logical. Many local grocery stores for example are actually cheaper on certian items than Weis or Giant. Although overall Giant is tough to beat on most prices, but the local SF stores are actually cheaper than Weis on the top 100 items purchased from grocery stores. Also most deli's at the local stores are also cheaper . So you don't really have to drive all over the place, you just need to know where to look.


I thought Weis was fairly local, is it not? Or at least a PA-only firm? Just curious, we don't have any Weis down here in Virginia. We don't have Giant either, but I know they are not local.



Lysol54
7/9/08
10:39 AM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ Jul 9 2008, 10:28 AM) [snapback]409306[/snapback]


I thought Weis was fairly local, is it not? Or at least a PA-only firm? Just curious, we don't have any Weis down here in Virginia. We don't have Giant either, but I know they are not local.







Yes, Weis is a PA company, HQ'd in Sunbury, PA. About 2 hrs or so north of Lancaster. Giant is owned by a Dutch conglomerate called Ahold. They have two seperate Giant Store brands, Giants here in PA and another called Giant(Landover) as well, but located mostly in Maryland and Deleware. The also own a few other chains under differant names.
LicenseForMayhem
7/9/08
10:39 AM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ Jul 9 2008, 10:28 AM) [snapback]409306[/snapback]


I thought Weis was fairly local, is it not? Or at least a PA-only firm? Just curious, we don't have any Weis down here in Virginia. We don't have Giant either, but I know they are not local.





Giant has stores across the Mid-Atlantic region, but it is based in Carlisle, PA. (Remember those hokey Alaan Noddel commecials when he was president in the late 80s?) Weis is based in Sunbury, PA, and, according to its website, has stores in 5 states.
The Logical One
7/9/08
10:43 AM
QUOTE(The Logical One @ Jul 9 2008, 08:39 AM) [snapback]409237[/snapback]

So you think those who are struggling week to week should spend more on the food they buy to help save the economy? How does one buy local, yet not waste gas by driving around to different places?


I should follow up. I believe 100% in the idea of "buying local" when it comes to produce etc. The amount of resources that go into shipping produce cross country seems ludicrous to me. I fully expect the organic craze to be taken over by "buy local" trends.

With all that being said, I am not sure it is right to really expect consumers to stop shopping at grocery stores. One stop shops like Weis and even Wal-mart are convenient places to go.
littledutchboy
7/9/08
11:21 AM
What does “buy local” have to do with The Crossings? Nothing!



The Crossings is not being planned for today’s economy it’s planned for tomorrow’s economy. It’s a long term investment that’s probably going to be a good one due to location.



PS: I was at a local road side stand last week, their prices were high and their produce was at best average. Local growers are not going to automatically get my business, they must earn it with competitive pricing and equal or superior products.



Might be time for a trip to Green Dragon. smile.gif

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