When good is bad
June 18th, 2008 10:06 pm · 6 comments
Call this Words fail me, part II.
Look, I understand why people might oppose F&M’s plan to relocate the Norfolk Southern rail yard. We can characterize these things as “NIMBY” but the fact is that we’re talking about where people live, where they raise their families. Of course they’re going to be concerned when things change drastically. If I lived in Barrcrest - and at one time we were looking at houses there - I might well be opposed to it, too.
But sometimes the ire boils over. In perusing this thread, I came upon this comment by AngelFace:
My personal bet is that this “partnership” with LGH and the Armstrong property is headed for a medical school. That is the feather in his cap that he is after.
The “he” being John Fry.
But help me out here. F&M and LGH constructing a medical school on the old Armstrong site would be detrimental to Lancaster…. how?
Is this where this goes? If Fry/F&M is involved in it, it’s bad - no matter how good it actually might be? We should oppose a medical school in Lancaster - which, by any objective assessment, would be an overwhelmingly positive development - simply because it would be a feather in John Fry’s cap?
Wow.
As I said, I understand the dismay of those whose lives may be changing. But at some point this insistence on flushing the baby with the bathwater becomes a danger, an actual threat, to the future economic prosperity of the the city - and of the county itself.
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There are currently 6 comments on this blog postView Topic | Comment on this blogAngelFace 6/19/08 12:58 AM | QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jun 18 2008, 10:10 PM) [snapback]402632[/snapback] Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.
It really is a tabloid-type practice to pluck a quote out of context and base an article on it. I am sure that has happened to you, with all the letter-writers who respond to your Sunday column, and I wonder how much you have enjoyed it. The posts on TB are not that lengthy. It would would perhaps win you fans if you used quotes in their context.
My point was NOT that a medical school would be (gasp!) just HORRIBLE for Lancaster -- and you knew that! Although, adding yet another TAX-EXEMPT entity to Lancaster city, on property that was INDUSTRIAL and TAX-PAYING, doesn't seem all that advantageous. The school district and city services find it hard to operate on a budget of PRESTIGE. Most medical students will not be buying property, and, trust me, they are not going to have free time or extra energy for a lot of shopping or night life, so PRESTIGE is what a medical school will bring.
The quote was selectively extricated from a thread about the railroad relocation, and you knew that. |
Artie See 6/19/08 7:49 AM | QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jun 18 2008, 10:10 PM) [snapback]402632[/snapback] We should oppose a medical school in Lancaster - which, by any objective assessment, would be an overwhelmingly positive development Why would a medical school in Lancaster be an "overwhelmingly positive development"?
First, we would need to know the cost to Lancaster City taxpayers. Second, we would need to know if and how much taxable land would be converted to non-profit use, and how that lost revenue would be made up.
Even an "overwhelmingly positive development" can be a bad idea when it costs taxpayers far more than it could ever possibly return to them. Lancaster City taxpayers already pay the highest real estate tax rate in Lancaster County, high enough that it has stifled economic development by discouraging companies from locating within the City limits. And it will go higher still. Depending on its financing structure and its location, even an "overwhelmingly positive development" could only serve to make an already bad situation much worse.
We can talk about "economic revitalization" until we can't talk (or type) any more. But if "economic revitalization" makes it more difficult for homeowners and businesses to live in Lancaster City because of higher and higher real estate taxes, the net result is definitely not good. |
gsmart 6/19/08 9:00 AM | QUOTE(Artie See @ Jun 19 2008, 07:49 AM) [snapback]402700[/snapback] But if "economic revitalization" makes it more difficult for homeowners and businesses to live in Lancaster City because of higher and higher real estate taxes, the net result is definitely not good.
Sez who?
Listen Artie, we haven't even gotten to the gentrification phase of Lancaster yet. You know and I know that will happen at some point - if in fact redevelopment in the city reaches a point that property values begin to go up.
And your point is taken that economic development based solely upon tax dollars may be a mixed bag. I'd point out to you, however, that taxpayers probably would have been required to "fix" the old Armstrong site in any case, especially if it had been declared a Superfund site or some such, which it very well could have been.
Yet are we stipulating, now, that recent tax increases in the city have had anything to do with the recent economic development? Point out to me, if you would, where increased tax rates on city residents have been necessary in order to fund any of what's going on? Because the rest is just speculation - this could happen if things don't work out as planned.
And while state money had indeed been showered upon Lancaster, as pointed out above, state money or even federal funds likely would have been required at some point. So my question, as always, is this:
What's the alternative?
Development funded entirely by private interests? Good luck with that. How much of that did Lancaster see during the 1990s, prior to this flurry of state investment? Obviously, not much.
And so is the insinuation that Lancaster was better, then, prior to all of this investment? I'll disagree with that entirely. Lancaster, then, was a city on the way down - like so many other cities in Pennsylvania we could name. That's what Lancaster should aspire to? To be like York?
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johnq 6/19/08 9:08 AM | QUOTE(gsmart @ Jun 19 2008, 09:00 AM) [snapback]402714[/snapback]
Sez who?
Listen Artie, we haven't even gotten to the gentrification phase of Lancaster yet. You know and I know that will happen at some point - if in fact redevelopment in the city reaches a point that property values begin to go up.
And your point is taken that economic development based solely upon tax dollars may be a mixed bag. I'd point out to you, however, that taxpayers probably would have been required to "fix" the old Armstrong site in any case, especially if it had been declared a Superfund site or some such, which it very well could have been.
Yet are we stipulating, now, that recent tax increases in the city have had anything to do with the recent economic development? Point out to me, if you would, where increased tax rates on city residents have been necessary in order to fund any of what's going on? Because the rest is just speculation - this could happen if things don't work out as planned.
And while state money had indeed been showered upon Lancaster, as pointed out above, state money or even federal funds likely would have been required at some point. So my question, as always, is this:
What's the alternative?
Development funded entirely by private interests? Good luck with that. How much of that did Lancaster see during the 1990s, prior to this flurry of state investment? Obviously, not much.
And so is the insinuation that Lancaster was better, then, prior to all of this investment? I'll disagree with that entirely. Lancaster, then, was a city on the way down - like so many other cities in Pennsylvania we could name. That's what Lancaster should aspire to? To be like York?
Good post, gil.
While the idea of purely privately funded development is nice, it's just not going to happen. Cities, counties, states have had to compete for business in recent years. Tax incentives are one of the ways they can do this. And you are correct that state funds would have been spent here on certain projects regardless of F&M's involvement.
If F&M expands along with LGH, they will create good jobs, bring more money to the area, increase property values and the tax base, and improve the city overall. Those who wish to return to a bygone era that never was will just have to learn to live with it.
If I have to pay higher taxes because my property value rises, I'll live with that.
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gsmart 6/19/08 10:01 AM | QUOTE(johnq @ Jun 19 2008, 09:08 AM) [snapback]402716[/snapback] If F&M expands along with LGH, they will create good jobs, bring more money to the area, increase property values and the tax base, and improve the city overall. Those who wish to return to a bygone era that never was will just have to learn to live with it.
It comes up in the other thread - what is John Fry trying to do?
I'll tell you exactly what he's trying to do: He's trying to improve the competitive position of the college. And he figures that what's good for F&M is also good for the city.
F&M can't and doesn't compete with the Ivy League schools, but can and does compete with next tier schools - Bryn Mawr, Sarah Lawrence, those sort of schools. But to do that, F&M needs to be able to compete not just in terms of education, but in terms of environment. Long story short: An old, falling-down industrial plant across the street just don't cut it. Nor does a junkyard behind the fast-food joint at the corner of Harrisburg Pike and Dillerville; nor does the industrial scar of a rail hub so close to campus.
So Fry is trying to improve the aesthetics of the campus and its surrounding environment; he has done so. The college cannot thrive unless its immediate neighborhood - indeed the city itself, or at least that section of it - also thrives.
Those who resent the college ought to read the Brookings Institution report of a few years ago, Higher Education in Pennsylvania: A Competitive Asset for Communities:
Increased competition for students and faculty, for example, combined with growing needs to expand and upgrade facilities outside the existing campus borders means that colleges and universities have a strong-self interest in enhancing the quality and safety of their surrounding neighborhoods. Municipalities, for their part, are recognizing that despite the tax exempt status of colleges and universities, these schools are a strong anchor around which to focus revenue-generating redevelopment, and their many students and employees represent major potential consumers of new local goods and services. Both institutions and localities see myriad benefits in expanding university-industry partnerships, and connecting university-led research to local entrepreneurial activity.
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johnq 6/19/08 10:12 AM | QUOTE(gsmart @ Jun 19 2008, 10:01 AM) [snapback]402742[/snapback] It comes up in the other thread - what is John Fry trying to do? I'll tell you exactly what he's trying to do: He's trying to improve the competitive position of the college. And he figures that what's good for F&M is also good for the city. F&M can't and doesn't compete with the Ivy League schools, but can and does compete with next tier schools - Bryn Mawr, Sarah Lawrence, those sort of schools. But to do that, F&M needs to be able to compete not just in terms of education, but in terms of environment. Long story short: An old, falling-down industrial plant across the street just don't cut it. Nor does a junkyard behind the fast-food joint at the corner of Harrisburg Pike and Dillerville; nor does the industrial scar of a rail hub so close to campus. So Fry is trying to improve the aesthetics of the campus and its surrounding environment; he has done so. The college cannot thrive unless its immediate neighborhood - indeed the city itself, or at least that section of it - also thrives. Those who resent the college ought to read the Brookings Institution report of a few years ago, Higher Education in Pennsylvania: A Competitive Asset for Communities: Increased competition for students and faculty, for example, combined with growing needs to expand and upgrade facilities outside the existing campus borders means that colleges and universities have a strong-self interest in enhancing the quality and safety of their surrounding neighborhoods. Municipalities, for their part, are recognizing that despite the tax exempt status of colleges and universities, these schools are a strong anchor around which to focus revenue-generating redevelopment, and their many students and employees represent major potential consumers of new local goods and services. Both institutions and localities see myriad benefits in expanding university-industry partnerships, and connecting university-led research to local entrepreneurial activity.
Which furthers the point I have been trying to make. Those who believe that Fry is going to ruin Lancaster in order to improve F&M are way off base. The only way he can improve F&M's competitive position is to improve Lancaster as well. While Fry may seem arrogant and heavy handed, his success in some measure depends upon the success of the city as a whole. |
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