But does it work for the railroad?

June 18th, 2008 1:21 pm · 9 comments

On the way out to the dentist this a.m. and I passed a bunch of signs for TRRAAC, the folks who live in the Farmingdale Road/Barrcrest area and oppose plans to move the Norfolk Southern rail yard into their backyards. There’s a meeting on the proposal tomorrow night, but as I read the story in this morning’s Intell - “Residents have new rail plan” - I saw little evidence that anyone had actually bounced that “new plan” off anyone from Norfolk Southern.

Which is rather important, after all. TRRAAC isn’t opposed to the relocation of the Dillerville Rail Yard, agreeing that it would benefit Lancaster City. But members believe there’s a better location for the new tracks; indeed, they’ve identified two possibilities, and 12 reasons why these sites would be a better alternative.

But the key question is, do they work for the railroad?

So I contacted Norfolk Southern spokesman Rudy Husband and asked him. In response, he forwarded me this letter, originally sent by Gannett Fleming Transit & Rail Systems to F&M spokesman Keith Orris, after Orris had been approached (a few weeks ago) from someone with TRRAAC who asked, hey, wouldn’t these alternatives work?

Short answer: No.

It’s a PDF file and I can’t cut and paste, so read it for yourself. Bottom line, Gannett Fleming says the proposed alternate sites are “not feasible for expanded rail operations” for a variety of reasons - not enough capacity, curved track or insufficient track length, etc.

The project team - NS, F&M, Lancaster General and Gannett Fleming - “took a close look at alternate sites,” said Husband; that search took three years and yielded the plan being pushed now.

Perhaps TRRAAC now engages its own expert to tell us why the alternate sites would work, though first and foremost they would have to convince Norfolk Southern. What might instead wind up happening is that instead of opposing the mere site of the relocation, TRRAAC may wind up opposing the relocation in its entirety, if there’s no other spot to which the railroad could feasibly move.

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dragonrider
6/18/08
1:28 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jun 18 2008, 01:25 PM) [snapback]402481[/snapback]


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More NIMBY and we wonder why their are no good jobs out there anymore.
AngelFace
6/18/08
4:09 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Jun 18 2008, 01:28 PM) [snapback]402486[/snapback]

More NIMBY and we wonder why their are no good jobs out there anymore.



You miss the point.

The railyard is already in F&Ms BACK YARD -- THEY don't want it there any more, even though they KNEW it was there when they acquired the land and built College Row. But they also knew that they could, under the table, behind closed doors, manipulate the system to move THEIR PROBLEM from THEIR BACK YARD to OUR back yard.
citydweller
6/18/08
10:07 PM
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 18 2008, 04:09 PM) [snapback]402557[/snapback]

YBut they also knew that they could, under the table, behind closed doors, manipulate the system to move THEIR PROBLEM from THEIR BACK YARD to OUR back yard.


Whoa, that sounds evil and predatory. I thought F&M had been shifted over to the "victim" category in the last week because it turned out that everything was really all Harper's fault. I thought everyone decided F&M was "Great for Lancaster" and therefore no longer susceptible to scrutiny.

So what's the deal? Does F&M conspire and collude or not? Or do they only do it when nobody's reporting it? Or do they become a victim by virtue of their conspiring and colluding being reported to the public?

Or are they manipulating everyone, on all sides of their growing list of issues?

Hide, Hyde or Hydra? Hidden? Bilderbergers? Misunderstood, possibly? "Just a real nice college with some PR problems"?

Or possibly just f***ing us because it's in their best interest?

Lots to think on there. Love F&M, hate F&M or simply ambivalent, you can't deny that the little citadel they're creating is nigh close to not needing the surrounding communities for much of anything besides road access. And that could easily come with gates down the road, or at least "security checks". It's at least worth considering that F&M sees those around them less as "neighbors" so much as "barbarians at the gates".

That, at least, would explain a lot of their behavior patterns.
LancCity
6/18/08
10:53 PM
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 18 2008, 04:09 PM) [snapback]402557[/snapback]



You miss the point.

The railyard is already in F&Ms BACK YARD -- THEY don't want it there any more, even though they KNEW it was there when they acquired the land and built College Row. But they also knew that they could, under the table, behind closed doors, manipulate the system to move THEIR PROBLEM from THEIR BACK YARD to OUR back yard.




Or did a few people in Manheim township purchase houses next to industrial property that they thought they could control? If I were in that neighborhood, I would be much more worried about what is in the ground there than a new rail yard.



I know you don't want to hear this, but railroads are exempt from zoning. They only have to comly to enviromental laws. So basically all they have to do is prove that the dump area will be better environmentally after the develop it. Your efforts may be better spent in working with the developers in correcting noise and traffic concerns rather than being a NIMBY and challenging the entore project.



twinmom
6/18/08
11:18 PM
QUOTE(LancCity @ Jun 18 2008, 10:53 PM) [snapback]402640[/snapback]

Or did a few people in Manheim township purchase houses next to industrial property that they thought they could control?




Hey now. It's not all MT people this time around. There are Lancaster Township and IIRC East Hempfield Twp people who are not happy.

AngelFace
6/18/08
11:43 PM
QUOTE(LancCity @ Jun 18 2008, 10:53 PM) [snapback]402640[/snapback]

Or did a few people in Manheim township purchase houses next to industrial property that they thought they could control? If I were in that neighborhood, I would be much more worried about what is in the ground there than a new rail yard.



I know you don't want to hear this, but railroads are exempt from zoning. They only have to comly to enviromental laws. So basically all they have to do is prove that the dump area will be better environmentally after the develop it. Your efforts may be better spent in working with the developers in correcting noise and traffic concerns rather than being a NIMBY and challenging the entore project.


You are STILL missing the point. F&M is the NIMBY except the RR was there BEFORE THEY ACQUIRED the property and built DORMS and APTS. on it, and bought the property NORTH of College Row, which they want UNSULLIED by the rails and the noise!!!

Have you even LOOKED at the plans and properties and areas involved??? Or are you just blindly lockstep with RR uber allus?

The homes are NOT recent builds. They are NOT Manheim Twp. The properties are an old, established Lanc. Twp. neighborhood with high assessment for school taxes in SDL, and a long established neighborhood in E. Hempfield. Also affected are one of the ONLY city parks -- Long's Park -- the new planned upscale shopping center, Park City and the Mennonite Home. This is NOT a situation where people build homes right next to an airport then grouse about the airplane noise!
LancCity
6/19/08
5:55 AM
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jun 18 2008, 11:43 PM) [snapback]402648[/snapback]


You are STILL missing the point. F&M is the NIMBY except the RR was there BEFORE THEY ACQUIRED the property and built DORMS and APTS. on it, and bought the property NORTH of College Row, which they want UNSULLIED by the rails and the noise!!!

Have you even LOOKED at the plans and properties and areas involved??? Or are you just blindly lockstep with RR uber allus?

The homes are NOT recent builds. They are NOT Manheim Twp. The properties are an old, established Lanc. Twp. neighborhood with high assessment for school taxes in SDL, and a long established neighborhood in E. Hempfield. Also affected are one of the ONLY city parks -- Long's Park -- the new planned upscale shopping center, Park City and the Mennonite Home. This is NOT a situation where people build homes right next to an airport then grouse about the airplane noise!


Just because these places are close to the rr development does not mean they will be impacted in any way. Can you telI me how Park CIty would be affected? Mennonite home? Long's Park? All three of these properties are across a major road from the development. And as for the new shopping center that has been proposed, High is well aware of this iniative and notice they are not fighting it. What impact would it have on this shopping center anyway? I have looked at the plans and see no problem with it all. I believe that most of the people that are against this would be against anything being built on this property.

And no you did not build a property next to an airport. However you bought a property next to an industrial property without ever thinking that something would be built there. I would guess most in the neighborhood never even realized that there was a dump in their back yard. Nobody asks. Most people take it for granted that the green space that is there when the purchase their house will always be there without doing any research.

Artie See
6/19/08
7:39 AM
Let's take a collection to buy a few cases of K-Y Gel and distribute it to the residents.
AngelFace
6/19/08
11:00 AM
QUOTE(LancCity @ Jun 19 2008, 05:55 AM) [snapback]402673[/snapback]

Just because these places are close to the rr development does not mean they will be impacted in any way. Can you telI me how Park CIty would be affected? Mennonite home? Long's Park? All three of these properties are across a major road from the development. And as for the new shopping center that has been proposed, High is well aware of this iniative and notice they are not fighting it. What impact would it have on this shopping center anyway? I have looked at the plans and see no problem with it all. I believe that most of the people that are against this would be against anything being built on this property.

And no you did not build a property next to an airport. However you bought a property next to an industrial property without ever thinking that something would be built there. I would guess most in the neighborhood never even realized that there was a dump in their back yard. Nobody asks. Most people take it for granted that the green space that is there when the purchase their house will always be there without doing any research.



Please look at the maps and the plans -- all of them. Noise will be a huge issue. This site is within SIGHT of Long's Park. Is the city going to acquire another large parcel of land that close to downtown to develop to replace this existing park? And what of the grandiose plans for a trolly to run out to Long's Park?

The maps also indicate the evacuation circle, which would now include Park City and the Mennonite Home. The argument is made by F&M that evacuation in the present location would impact just as many people. My point is that, SURE, they want to move THEIR problem OUT of their backyard and INTO ours. But my point has always been, do you want to evacuate 20-somethings with cars, or do you want to evacuate the same number of elderly bed-ridden people? Or do we view the elderly as more expendable. I believe the plan, since evacuation of a nursing home is IMPOSSIBLE, is to seal the place as tightly as they can, and wait it out.

As for blaming the home-owners, many have been in these homes since the 1940s and 1950s. JOHN FRY JUST BUILT COLLEGE ROW, and NO ONE IS BLAMING HIM because HE HAS THE POWER AND INFLUENCE TO SIMPLY DUMP HIS PROBLEM ON HIS NEIGHBORS!!!!! He could have used that same power and influence to see this project to a LESS IMPACTFUL PLACE, but HE COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT HIS NEIGHBORS AS LONG AS HE GETS WHAT HE WANTS FOR HIS CAREER AND F&M.

Besides, if he destroys the neighborhoods around F&M, it means they can simply ACQUIRE the properties CHEAP and expand.
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