I agree with you Hope. Some of the reply's on the site were downright strange. Being the father of two girls I would not mind seeing them wear these at all. I know, I'm a guy.... When today almost everything is marketed with a sexual angle I think going the other way is great. It is the way it is suppose to be, for both men and women.

May have to go shopping this weekend......

Umm, kind of a stretch thinking that the Marketing Director of K-Mart was cornered in the parking lot by two RNC members don't ya think?

More of what the repugnicans call image over substance. The abstinance only education programs has been a complete disastor. So now we see again the wonderful corporate/repugnican party tie. What a wonderful world the repugnicans weave.

So then would you rather your teen age daughter wearing some of the clothes currently on the market in today's trendy shops? How about the !profanity! = poop from A & F that says "guys like tig bitties"?



You are unbelievable!

Yeah hard to believe a liberal against my government waisting my money on a program that doesn't work while conservatives keep wanting to spend more of my money forcing their ideas of morality down everyones throat.

No, what is unbelieveable is that you automatically equate what is a good message with a failed Republican program. Seriously, you act as if abstainence as a value is a bad thing! I'll put this out there again: would you rather your teenage daughter to wear these pants or ones that say "for sale," "sexy," "grab it," "shake it," "I put out" or whatever tripe is mass marketed to our youth today...and then I guess your blame the GOP when she comes home pregnant wearing her "i'm permiscuious" pants...

Boy the feministing website almost makes it sound like abstinence is a bad thing for teens.

Yeah hard to believe a liberal against my government waisting my money on a program that doesn't work while conservatives keep wanting to spend more of my money forcing their ideas of morality down everyones throat.

No, what is unbelieveable is that you automatically equate what is a good message with a failed Republican program. Seriously, you act as if abstainence as a value is a bad thing! I'll put this out there again: would you rather your teenage daughter to wear these pants or ones that say "for sale," "sexy," "grab it," "shake it," "I put out" or whatever tripe is mass marketed to our youth today...and then I guess your blame the GOP when she comes home pregnant wearing her "i'm permiscuious" pants...

Abstinence in not a bad choice to offer as a suggestion in a society that pressures these teens into adulthood and into making adult decisions before they are ready.

...and we all know "the power of suggestion" can be a strong enemy or ally...


Back in the 70's Health Class consisted of teaching you all about drugs, where to get them, how to make or grow them, but not to do them.Then the anti alcohol class, pretty much the same scenario. Then sex ed. taught you where all your reproductive parts were, how they worked, why they worked. How to prevent certain parts from working, then not to do it!

Many heeded the no drugs message, many did not, same with sex, and alcohol, but at least give them the choices. Doesn't hurt to make the choice of waiting seem appealing, too.

Now the kids bring home a "Think it over Baby" that cries all night!! Frankly I'd rather have them wear the K-mart pants!!

and DragonRider how about you get the Tee Shirt that reads "Stamp Out Virginity" and give it to the guy who is picking up the sweetest girl you know with a nudge and the "git 'er done" wink!

What school did you go to that taught you how to grow drugs? I must have gone to the wrong school!



I wouldn't buy these pants for my daughter. Her virtue or even her lack thereof, is no one's business.

What school did you go to that taught you how to grow drugs? I must have gone to the wrong school!

Awesome point!





Hey, Milt why the two extremes? Does a girl need to wear pants that scream absitanence in order to abstain from sex? Just because a girl chooses not to wear these pants does not mean she is promiscusous.

Many teens are oppositional. Some just a little, a lot but most love to get a reaction from adults. It is reasonable, given the oppositional nature of teens, that many non-abstaining girls will wear these pants just to make a mockery of the message.

My suggestion - let parents teach moral values at home through the use of old fashion positive role modeling, discussion, clear limits and expecations and even! time spent together.

More of what the repugnicans call image over substance. The abstinance only education programs has been a complete disastor. So now we see again the wonderful corporate/repugnican party tie. What a wonderful world the repugnicans weave.

Seems to be a common thread on the men commenting here that only the girl gets pregnant, pregnancy is something that affects both girl and boy the rest of their lives. No I don;t think that a girl wearing certain sayings on her clothes will have any effect on her sex life. And again why is the girl only you are concerned about. My sons life is going to be that much harder becuase he has to support thier child.



Yeah teach abstinence but these programs are called abstinence only programs. If my son had been living with me he would have learned one you ain't going off for the summer with your GF I don';t care how religous you are or how religous she is or her parents. It ain't going to happen period. Now also you should not have sex is what I would stress to him . But I would also have made sure when he was dating that he knew what a condom was how to use it and would have had a ready supply on hand. I keep band aide around the house not becuase I want to get cut but becuase sometimes cuts happen same with condoms.

You're missing the point; it's not about two extremes. My point is that these pants send a more positive message than others marketed to our younger generations and that although Bush and the GOP have supported abstainence only education, which has been rendered a failure, the message or concept of abstainence is still a positive concept. Tugrad, it seems, would rather poke fun at these pants and their message because abstainence only education is a failure. Sure it is, but that does not mean that "true love waits" is the wrong message.

So, grandpa, asked the teenager, what did you wear to avoid STD's when you were young?
A Wedding Ring!

More of what the repugnicans call image over substance. The abstinance only education programs has been a complete disastor. So now we see again the wonderful corporate/repugnican party tie. What a wonderful world the repugnicans weave.

Were you born an asswipe or do you practice at it???

Were you born an asswipe or do you practice at it???

Cute Beth and I still think the kitty is a cutie. With out a doubt abstinence until in a commited relationship either marriage or whatever is allowed for those who can't marry is the best option. But we all know that kids will do the wrong thing.

Yeah I am one of those terrible parents that would have said no dating until sixteen, no closed doors with opposite sex visitors, and my son had he been living with me would have known that personal responsibility is taking in to account how your actions affect others. If you truely love someone you would not take any actions that would make her life more difficult for a moments pleasure.

Lil' Tyker's a cutie all right. He was sitting in the dryer at that moment. Hops in as we unload.(and, no, we've never shut him in or fluff and folded him!!



Exactly!
...and be approachable to your children no matter what circumstances they happen to find themselves in.

OOH! Me tok trol tuu! Choo keery beeg clob? Me keery nice beeg stikk. Gud fer smakkin stuffs.

Seriously. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Being a jerk does nothing for your arguments.

Why are we always so all or nothing?

I can remember back to my middle school days at Garden Spot. I still agree with how it was taught to us by former marine Mr. Miller. He was very objective. If you want to avoid getting an STD or getting pregnant then don't have sex. If you are going to have sex here are the statistics on failure rates of different kinds of birth control both at preventing STD's and at preventing pregnancy. There was no discussion of morality nor does there need to be. Kids just need to know what they are risking. Morality then is free to be taught by the parents.

And for the record...I think it looks trashy to have writing plastered across one's posterior, whether the message is "hot to trot", "God told me to wait til I get married to a man.", or "Joe's Pizza 717-555-1234"

What's the most likely reason that so many kids don't practice abstinence? My guess is, permissive parenting.

my guess is the most likely reasons so many kids don't practice abstinence is sex drive, hormones, popular culture that promotes sexual activity, poor impulse control, limited ability to understand long term consequences.

The following items that you list have always existed in teens:

• Sex drive
• hormones
• poor impulse control
• limited ability to understand long term consequences.

Just the same, teen pregnancy rates have gone up. Pop culture is certainly a big factor, particularly when you have women like Madonna and Brittney Spears who talk out of one side of their mouths about being liberated, but teach enslavement to sex by their actions.

At the same time, parents have lost touch with their kids. The parent who keeps their child to a curfew, and who keeps track of where they go, who with, and how long, is a rarity today.

Those factors you mentioned, they are the reason parents exist. We exist to counteract those factors. We parents should be aware of what our kids are doing, where they are, and whom they are with, because, let's face it, most teens are too stupid to do the right thing on their own due to their immaturity. I know I was, though, I'm sure you made all the right choices as a teen .

Too long have we allowed our children to be raised by popular media, and it has taken a toll on our society.

Another thought on the pants thing, I'm amazed what parents will let their little girls wear. The clothing styles that are available do not help matters, but why would you let your pre-teen (or teen) wear pants that have "princess" or "sweetie" or "Cutie" on the bottom? And we wonder why pedophiles are so rampant.

Again it goes back to parenting. We are here to protect our children, even if they do not like it.

So...is encouraging teens/tweens to avoid sex outside of a commited relationship a bad thing?

Anyone who forces their kids to wear these is cruel.

Just curious, do you think it's any more cruel than having your kid wear a t-shirt that promotes a parent's agenda?