Israel is not the United States

May 28th, 2008 9:15 am · 2 comments

This came up in the previous thread, and in fact comes up all the time with my winger correspondents, who seem to think that Israel, at some point, became the 51st state.

Israel is not the United States.

Israel is absolutely an ally, a crucial ally. And you may believe we owe some sort of moral fealty to Israel - for religious purposes, or because of what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust. Fine.

But Israel is not the United States.

I’m not sure why this is so difficult for right-wingers to understand. As noted yesterday, in the discussion of Israel’s nukes, Israeli state secrets are not American state secrets; and Israel is quite capable of defending itself.

But as part of their war-mongering ways, right-wingers demand that the United States, in fact, wage pre-emptive war on behalf of Israel; one of the rationales for taking a swing at Iran is that Iran may, one day, take a swing at Israel.

But Israel is not the United States. And again, as previously noted, Iran does not yet have a single bomb. And though Ahmadinejad - whom, the wingers always purposely fail to note, has no actual authority - might indeed want to wipe Israel from the face of the map, a single Iranian bomb aimed at Israel invites the full force of Israeli retaliation, invites the utter obliteration of Iran.

But it is crucial to the right-wing deception that Israel be portrayed as far weaker than it actually is. We aren’t to speak of Israel’s arsenal, we are to feign ignorance, because to acknowledge the truth would give away the game - that Israel is not so weak, not so desperately in need of the United States to come riding in on the white stallion and save them, save all that is good and true and pure.

Israel, with 150 nukes, can deter any attack from any regional competitor. That is a fact. Right-wingers would obscure that fact; they would do the exact same thing they now accuse the Iranians themselves of doing, lying about nuclear capabilities.

But see, it’s moral when we do this.

What a load of krep.

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2fat2ride
5/29/08
6:19 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ May 28 2008, 09:20 AM) [snapback]394330[/snapback]


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Gil, you may want to look even closer at Israel's actions over the past few months, or maybe 50 years.

The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as;

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The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.



or we can use the Federal Criminal Code definition:

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…activities that involve violent… or life-threatening acts… that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and… appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping


In either case, Israel meets the definition of a terrorist state. So then, are they an ally in the "War on Terrorism" or are they an enemy? I thought nations were "either for us or against us," in this battle against terrorism?

It is becoming very clear, that linguistically at the very least, GWB has been "shading the truth" for years. But this should not alarm anyone at all, every president has. It's the nature of popular government.

No, Israel is not a part of the United States, and I would argue that it not even be considered an ally until a peace agreement is signed with Palestine, and both Fatah and Hamas must be part of these negotiations.

The idea that we keep "terrorists" out of peace negotiations is absolutely bizarre. If we judge others based upon the atrocities they have committed, or even our own definitions of terrorism, we would not even invite ourselves to a peace negotiation.

Bigby_M
5/29/08
7:25 AM
QUOTE(2fat2ride @ May 29 2008, 06:19 AM) [snapback]394759[/snapback]


Gil, you may want to look even closer at Israel's actions over the past few months, or maybe 50 years.

The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as;



or we can use the Federal Criminal Code definition:



In either case, Israel meets the definition of a terrorist state. So then, are they an ally in the "War on Terrorism" or are they an enemy? I thought nations were "either for us or against us," in this battle against terrorism?

It is becoming very clear, that linguistically at the very least, GWB has been "shading the truth" for years. But this should not alarm anyone at all, every president has. It's the nature of popular government.

No, Israel is not a part of the United States, and I would argue that it not even be considered an ally until a peace agreement is signed with Palestine, and both Fatah and Hamas must be part of these negotiations.

The idea that we keep "terrorists" out of peace negotiations is absolutely bizarre. If we judge others based upon the atrocities they have committed, or even our own definitions of terrorism, we would not even invite ourselves to a peace negotiation.



But Israel is in the Bible. laugh.gif

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