Three words

May 27th, 2008 9:55 am · 11 comments

And now, one from the grassy knoll.

With all due respect to LancoYokel, whose writing I generally like, I have three words in response to this:

Urban growth boundary.

When I was putting together last weekend’s Harrisburg Pike piece, I was looking a few things up in the library and came across the term. Hm. Shot an e-mail to Lancaster County’s chief transportation planner Dave Royer: How much of the Harrisburg Pike corridor is within the county’s urban growth boundary?

His reply: All of it.

So, again, Hm. Urban growth boundary - why, what could those words mean?

Could they mean what they imply - that future urbanized growth, or quasi-urban growth, is supposed to take place within those boundaries?

Why - that’s exactly what the term means.

Here’s a story from 1993 - why, that’s 15 years ago! - right as the county adopted these strange things called “urban growth boundaries”:

Inside the boundaries, the plan says, development should occur at an average density of four or five houses an acre. Most schools, churches, stores, offices and factories should be inside those borders. And there should be ample recreational space.

Now, all of this said, much development has taken place outside the boundaries; it hasn’t solved our sprawl issues. But the point is that areas like the Harrisburg Pike corridor were specifically designated as the place where high-density development was supposed to go.

Of course when the county first implemented these things back in the early ’90s no one was paying a whole lot of attention. It all seemed grand in theory, sure, urban growth boundaries, la la la, who knows what that means and who cares. But then, as always, the rubber meets the road and we have second thoughts. Hey, sure, urban growth boundaries sounded like a great idea at the time - but you know what happens? You get urban growth! And who wants that?

But beyond that is the insinuation - always bubbling just below the surface - that this is all a conspiracy of the moneyed interests - High, to be specific. That Dale High is manipulating me and all of Lancaster Newspapers, manipulating the individual municipalities, manipulaing the Lancaster County Planning Commission itself. Also, possibly the weather.

Can you believe it? He’s dared to propose a high-density use along a corridor that it supposed to accommodate, you know, high density uses. The nerve!

And the insinuation being that the entire Harrisburg Pike Corridor study is merely cover for getting Dale High what he wants.

Right. Because, see, nowhere in this analysis is it possible that maybe High and everyone else developing along Harrisburg Pike know - unlike the critics - that the corridor lies within the urban growth boundary. And nowhere in this analysis is it possible that these developers formulated their plans specifically on the basis of this, figuring - hey, this corridor is designated for high-density uses. This is where the county supposedly wants it to go. So that’s what we’ll propose, and that’s where we’ll propose it.

No. Quite the opposite: To build quasi-urban development within the confines of the urban growth boundary is irresponsible. Greedy. Detrimental. Nevermind that it fits with what the county itself, 15 years ago, stipulated for the corridor - it doesn’t fit with that “we the people” decided, just a few months ago.

The Harrisburg Pike study, as stated in the story, is not intended as a referendum on specific projects. That said - it’s pretty clear that those who helped generate the report, which includes members of the public, realize that the type of development now proposed along the corridor is likely to be the type of development that ultimately does take place.

But if you - John Q. Public - believe that neither High nor anyone else should be permitted to build high-density developmentswithin the confines of the urban growth boundary, then don’t waste your time opposing these projects piecemeal. Go to the source; attend th next meeting of the Lancaster County Planning Commission, stand up and proclaim that urban growth boundaries are a terrible thing because they permit urban growth!

And the planners will say: Duh.

But don’t worry. It’s just the invisible hand of Dale High, doing its usual thing.

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lancoyokel
5/27/08
1:13 PM
Misdirection
gsmart
5/27/08
1:59 PM
QUOTE(lancoyokel @ May 27 2008, 01:13 PM) [snapback]393991[/snapback]




And the point is this: who's gonna pay?

Pay for what?

Extra lanes? We're not building extra lanes; you may think we should, but what are we widening it to? Four lanes? Six lanes? From North Prince to Rohrerstown Road, or all the way to Centerville Road? All at once or in sections? Whatever impact fees may be charged, do they cover the cost? Who pays the rest? How much room for the right-of-way will we be taking from the private owners along the stretch? Eminent domain? What does that cost, and who pays, and if the public has to pay, don't I have to read about how terrible it all is on your blog?

Whatever happens or doesn't on Harrisburg Pike, the overarching goal is not to increase capacity. The overarching goal is to get people out of their cars, maybe via (yes) interconnections that permit you to go from the post office to Toys R Us without having to actually drive on Harrisburg Pike; or by establishing park and rides so that you, and I, might leave the car and take public transportation into town. Trolley? Dunno. But how about a bus?

Here and everywhere else, the idea of one, alone, in the car, on the pike, to the mall, is going to have to be tossed out the window. It is going to have to be designed out the window.

That, very specifically, is what this study attempts to do.

Rural Conservative
5/27/08
2:07 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 27 2008, 01:59 PM) [snapback]394026[/snapback]




And the point is this: who's gonna pay?

Pay for what?

Extra lanes? We're not building extra lanes; you may think we should, but what are we widening it to? Four lanes? Six lanes? From North Prince to Rohrerstown Road, or all the way to Centerville Road? All at once or in sections? Whatever impact fees may be charged, do they cover the cost? Who pays the rest? How much room for the right-of-way will we be taking from the private owners along the stretch? Eminent domain? What does that cost, and who pays, and if the public has to pay, don't I have to read about how terrible it all is on your blog?

Whatever happens or doesn't on Harrisburg Pike, the overarching goal is not to increase capacity. The overarching goal is to get people out of their cars, maybe via (yes) interconnections that permit you to go from the post office to Toys R Us without having to actually drive on Harrisburg Pike; or by establishing park and rides so that you, and I, might leave the car and take public transportation into town. Trolley? Dunno. But how about a bus?

Here and everywhere else, the idea of one, alone, in the car, on the pike, to the mall, is going to have to be tossed out the window. It is going to have to be designed out the window.

That, very specifically, is what this study attempts to do.



Buy everybody scooters Gil.

I've got mine!
Shawn
5/27/08
2:11 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 27 2008, 01:59 PM) [snapback]394026[/snapback]

And the point is this: who's gonna pay?

Pay for what?

Extra lanes? We're not building extra lanes; you may think we should, but what are we widening it to? Four lanes? Six lanes? From North Prince to Rohrerstown Road, or all the way to Centerville Road? All at once or in sections? Whatever impact fees may be charged, do they cover the cost? Who pays the rest? How much room for the right-of-way will we be taking from the private owners along the stretch? Eminent domain? What does that cost, and who pays, and if the public has to pay, don't I have to read about how terrible it all is on your blog?

Whatever happens or doesn't on Harrisburg Pike, the overarching goal is not to increase capacity. The overarching goal is to get people out of their cars, maybe via (yes) interconnections that permit you to go from the post office to Toys R Us without having to actually drive on Harrisburg Pike; or by establishing park and rides so that you, and I, might leave the car and take public transportation into town. Trolley? Dunno. But how about a bus?

Here and everywhere else, the idea of one, alone, in the car, on the pike, to the mall, is going to have to be tossed out the window. It is going to have to be designed out the window.

That, very specifically, is what this study attempts to do.




How are people going to get all of those toys home from Toys R' Us, without a car?



Later...Shawn

Beth
5/27/08
2:12 PM
QUOTE(Shawn @ May 27 2008, 02:11 PM) [snapback]394044[/snapback]

How are people going to get all of those toys home from Toys R' Us, without a car?



Later...Shawn

The Trolley, Silly! rolleyes.gif
Rural Conservative
5/27/08
2:22 PM
QUOTE(Shawn @ May 27 2008, 02:11 PM) [snapback]394044[/snapback]




How are people going to get all of those toys home from Toys R' Us, without a car?



Later...Shawn



Well, I think they make trailers for scooters.
The Logical One
5/27/08
2:41 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 27 2008, 01:59 PM) [snapback]394026[/snapback]

And the point is this: who's gonna pay?

Pay for what?

Extra lanes? We're not building extra lanes; you may think we should, but what are we widening it to? Four lanes? Six lanes? From North Prince to Rohrerstown Road, or all the way to Centerville Road? All at once or in sections? Whatever impact fees may be charged, do they cover the cost? Who pays the rest? How much room for the right-of-way will we be taking from the private owners along the stretch? Eminent domain? What does that cost, and who pays, and if the public has to pay, don't I have to read about how terrible it all is on your blog?

Whatever happens or doesn't on Harrisburg Pike, the overarching goal is not to increase capacity. The overarching goal is to get people out of their cars, maybe via (yes) interconnections that permit you to go from the post office to Toys R Us without having to actually drive on Harrisburg Pike; or by establishing park and rides so that you, and I, might leave the car and take public transportation into town. Trolley? Dunno. But how about a bus?

Here and everywhere else, the idea of one, alone, in the car, on the pike, to the mall, is going to have to be tossed out the window. It is going to have to be designed out the window.

That, very specifically, is what this study attempts to do.


You are exactly right Gil, well said. People love to complain about things, yet fear the idea of change.
Bigby_M
5/27/08
4:42 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 27 2008, 01:59 PM) [snapback]394026[/snapback]




And the point is this: who's gonna pay?




How about all those business that will be herding customers to their establishments?

The hospital can afford it.

The made how much last year?

Kate
5/27/08
6:12 PM
I love it. laugh.gif

Gil vs lancoyokel - a classic cyberspace meeting of the cynical and sarcastic minds of two intellectuals.

Just a word of warning for Gil - lancoyokel has a rep for chewing up LNP reporters and spitting them out. Ask Dave Pidgeon. Although lancoyokel may have finally met his match in Gil. wink.gif

FWIW, I agree with 'yokel. Who's gonne pay for it?? unsure.gif
lancoyokel
5/29/08
3:45 PM
My mistake
gsmart
5/29/08
4:22 PM
QUOTE(lancoyokel @ May 29 2008, 03:45 PM) [snapback]395173[/snapback]




Hm. And here I thought the point was, as you wrote, "Who's gonna pay."

My mistake.

But to your original point, once again from the grassy knoll: What you insinuate is that Dale High or his proxies sent the memo instructing me and my colleagues here at LNP to write things hint-hinting at the need for a streetcar. I must've missed that memo; but maybe you can provide me with your copy.

It's the same thing, isn't it, with the whole "They're gonna put slots at the convention center!!!" business. Because each of these "proposals" from the grassy knoll, in their own way, make some sense - or there at least is an argument for them in the broader scheme of things.

Where Our Lord on High (Industries) manipulates the universe, sure - he's building a shopping center out on the fringes of town and public transportation might benefit that shopping center and, cue Vincent Price laugh, MWAHAHAHAHA.... we shall print this trifling little story to embed the notion in the little peoples' brains that public transportation, i.e. streetcars, is a necessity.

Or maybe it happens this way.

Maybe, as stated in the story - and everyone knows - traffic on Harrisburg Pike is bad and destined to get worse. And maybe the planners in charge of looking at issues like this realize that there's little room and less money to just make the road bigger, and a bigger road isn't going to be any less congested anyway. And maybe, given the price of gas and other factors, said planners say that among other things, the use of public transportation needs to be encouraged along Harrisburg Pike.

But a society/community that attempts to re-emphasize public transportation might see the rationale in an argument for differing forms of public transportation. And so while some trolley backers may indeed try to use the planners' pending report to make their own case, that report was not formulated with that case in mind. And the report would have said the exact same thing even if the trolley business had never reared its ugly head.

Incidentally, there seems to be this notion that the Players in Lancaster have all lined up behind the trolley. Not true. Some people - Mayor Gray, Jack Howell of the Lancaster Alliance - like the streetcar idea, a lot. Others think it's ludicrous. There's no unanimity on this at all.

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