The culture wars are over
May 23rd, 2008 3:15 pm · 9 comments
And social conservatives lost, writes James Joyner:
The social conservatives are in the most trouble of the three groups. First trimester abortion will never be illegal; indeed, the ability to terminate pregnancy safely at home will continue to increase, making it a moot point. Homosexuality is rapidly mainstreaming and gay marriage will achieve the status of interracial marriage through some combination of judicial action and social change within the next 10-15 years. Women’s equality is long established now, with the remaining battles taking place over relatively small issues. Prayer in school is a dead issue. It’s not clear what’s left, really, of the movement as it existed when Ronald Reagan was its secular standard bearer.
This as part of the broader conversation on the future of conservatism which we’ve cited. But I think this is right on. The fight against gay marriage is a rear-guard action; whatever the judicial decisions, attitudes are changing, and whatever bans passed today will be repealed tomorrow by a generation that, one day, will ask: So what was the big deal? And where the “values voters” go from there - as a movement, at least - I just don’t know.
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There are currently 9 comments on this blog postView Topic | Comment on this blogArtie See
5/23/08
5:25 PM | The culture wars are far from over.
Just look at all of the projects and future plans in downtown Lancaster.
Then look at the demographics of the people who actually live in Lancaster.
Then look at whose tax dollars are and will be paying for these projects.
Most of what is and will be going on in downtown Lancaster is designed for the select few who can afford to go to cultural events or conventions. The vast majority of us are spending so much of our disposable incomes on housing, energy, food, transportation, medical insurance/expenses, and taxes that we can't even think about such things.
The culture wars between the few that have, and the many that do not, are heavily biased against the vast majority of us who actually have to work for a living. |
gsmart
5/24/08
7:34 AM | QUOTE(Artie See @ May 23 2008, 05:25 PM) [snapback]393139[/snapback] The culture wars are far from over.
Just look at all of the projects and future plans in downtown Lancaster.
Then look at the demographics of the people who actually live in Lancaster.
Then look at whose tax dollars are and will be paying for these projects.
Most of what is and will be going on in downtown Lancaster is designed for the select few who can afford to go to cultural events or conventions. The vast majority of us are spending so much of our disposable incomes on housing, energy, food, transportation, medical insurance/expenses, and taxes that we can't even think about such things.
The culture wars between the few that have, and the many that do not, are heavily biased against the vast majority of us who actually have to work for a living.
Artie, you're talking about something com-plete-ly different.
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littledutchboy
5/24/08
9:29 AM | First trimester abortion will remain legal, but not partial birth abortions, so limits will be placed on abortion.
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The gay marriage question is far from over, extrapolating out 10-15 years isn't worth the time it takes to process it, just as possible that there will be a "family" renascence, with society understanding that the desolation of the "family" ,(that works best) has caused many of our social ills, Which is another way of saying that the PCers will lose.
Prayer in school? Will be a mute point to me because my son will go to a Christian school. Who knows there maybe a dive to give parents the chose of what kind of school their children should go to. What about the parent's civil right to decide?
No Gil the cultural wars have not been decided, far from it. Unfortunately there are currently no conservative leaders / leadership. I forecast that if Oboomer is elected Pres. a conservative movement will emerge from opposition to Omoober's very, very left leaning views.
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PS: gay marriage, if it became law of the land, how could polygamy be denied? Polygamy has a religious and cultural history. Unforeseen / unintended consequences? |
Makita
5/24/08
10:17 AM | Uh, can anyone translate what Little D just said??? |
dragonrider
5/24/08
10:21 AM | Little D is a perfect example of the value of a good education. |
Makita
5/24/08
10:28 AM | QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 24 2008, 10:21 AM) [snapback]393252[/snapback] Little D is a perfect example of the value of a good education.
Meaning has or has not?
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dragonrider
5/24/08
10:39 AM | QUOTE(Makita @ May 24 2008, 10:28 AM) [snapback]393254[/snapback]
Meaning has or has not?
you do the math the answer seems as obvious as an eigth grade grammar class. |
Whirlwind
5/24/08
10:47 AM | Right, a good education. More like indoctrination.
Joyner couldn't be more wrong. Saying over and over that acceptance of homosexuality and gay marriage is a fait accompli, will not make it true.
Women's issues are settled, eh?
Missing from this BS analysis is the fact the neocons commandeered the repub party. That's when the chocolate pudding started to look like something else. Will the paleocons rescue their party from neocon control? Not in an environment like we have now. Where everyone is tripping over themselves to be PC, and not call things what they are.
Culture wars are just beginning. Increasing poverty, without a route out, will destabilize the phony peace of "equality". Bet on it.
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dragonrider
5/24/08
10:52 AM | I would tend to agree. They use to say that longer skirts were the sign of a recession meaning in hard times people tend to be more conservative in their morals as well. Good times relaxation of mores. |
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