I think this winger group is trying to draw a parallel, between Germans during WW2 that said they were only following orders, but know what they were doing was morally wrong and clerks that grant marriage licenses to gays and knowing in the clerk's mind that what they were doing, in being a party to it, is morally wrong.

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I guess if the clerks feel strongly they should step down.



I'm no longer surprised by all the wack jobs out there on the net, also no longer surprised that they are quoted by the main stream, that is if it makes a point for something or against it. Or to take the wacked out views of a person or small group that speaks out about something and lay that over everyone that speaks out against that position.



Gil would like his readers to believe that since wack jobs say stupid things about gay marriage, everyone against gay marriage is a wack job.

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you just can't have it both ways quote them as leaders and then call them whackjobs the next

I'm no longer surprised by all the wack jobs out there on the net, also no longer surprised that they are quoted by the main stream, that is if it makes a point for something or against it. Or to take the wacked out views of a person or small group that speaks out about something and lay that over everyone that speaks out against that position.

Gil would like his readers to believe that since wack jobs say stupid things about gay marriage, everyone against gay marriage is a wack job.

They say "government is inherently corrupt and inefficient" then go on to elect leaders who prove it. Then when confronted about it say "see we told ya"

Exactly.

They actually admit Bush is inefficient and corrupt?

Not the ones here.

Actually Bush and Cheney are quite efficient in their corruption.

I imagine both will be getting a gold mine in payoffs when they leave office.

Surely they weren't stupid enough to transfer all that wealth for nothing.

no basis in fact or context

Errr......ummmmm............nice weather we're having today, huh????

See, I'm doing good............

Errr......ummmmm............nice weather we're having today, huh????

See, I'm doing good............

Does Halliburton, Blackwater, K Street Project, ring any bells?

This is not about gay marriage. It's about Gil finding these obscure articles, posting them, and then assigning guilt to conservatives or Republicans without the need to make any reasonable association.

I'd say that's exactly what bigots do. Look for minor faults to justify their bigotry, while ignoring all the good stuff.

I don't disagree with that.

Did it just start with this administration?

Speaking to myself: "Nothing is ever viewed in context with this crowd."

Gil would like his readers to believe that since wack jobs say stupid things about gay marriage, everyone against gay marriage is a wack job.

Errr......ummmmm............nice weather we're having today, huh????

See, I'm doing good............

I got my new hammered dulcimer yesterday . Opened it immediately. Sweet the tone is so mellow. The strings so responsive. Holds tune great. Was still in tune right out of the box. See I can me nice also.

We're having weather? I missed it! Hey "pneumonia" head, why didn't you call me?
We could have at least went out and got your mind off of it!! Are you able to be up and about yet? Let's go to Molly's and harass....

So what are you gonna do with the old one? Are they hard to learn? My hubby says if I bring home one more musical instrument...
I'm not even all that good at playing the radio...but I like being a jack of all trades, master of none...

A rather uncomfortable shoe to wear isn't it LDB and Pericles ?

Gil clearly stated that these were far right comments, not mainstream conservatives, and it is clear who they are, but your knee-jerk reaction smells funny to me.

Gonna save the old one for when I might be jamming outside and the weather might turn. Wouldn't wanna ruin my good one.

Aw Shucks! Sounds like a good idea, though. You're going to let me know when you play in public, right?

I think it'd be neat on your June 21st event to showcase yours and others musical talents. Maybe that is already in the plans.

Beth I have truely misjudged you for that I sincerely apologize. Not playing there, the "entertainment" they have planned I find disgusting

Well, our choir is singing, so I will be there ... and potential job loss be damned. I am tired of not being able to be who I am.

Sure. Why not?

Reacting to the California Supreme Court's decision overturing a same-sex marriage ban, the far right group Campaign for Children and Families compares county clerks issuing same-sex marriage licenses to Nazis gassing Jews during the Holocaust. Here's what they say on their website, SaveCalifornia.com:

Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order.

Because, you know, love and hate are the same thing. At least for this crowd.

Teh Stupid, it burns.




OK, here's Gil's post. Where does Gil clearly state that these were far right comments?

Well I am sure I wouldn't find your choir disgusting . But the Drag Queens, I find that entertainment as repulsive as black face comedians.

A perfect example of complete nonsense that has no basis in fact or context, but is repeated verbatim throughout the liberal blogoshpere.

I don't disagree with that.

Did it just start with this administration?

Speaking to myself: "Nothing is ever viewed in context with this crowd."

Have you seen the video clip on Mother Jones about Rod Parsley/McBush connection or are you just talking out of your asp again.

OK context the Bush admin is a Express train heading toward War Crimes trials with Casey Bush at the throttle.

Sure. Why not?

Reacting to the California Supreme Court's decision overturing a same-sex marriage ban, the far right group Campaign for Children and Families compares county clerks issuing same-sex marriage licenses to Nazis gassing Jews during the Holocaust. Here's what they say on their website, SaveCalifornia.com:

Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order.

Because, you know, love and hate are the same thing. At least for this crowd.

Teh Stupid, it burns.




OK, here's Gil's post. Where does Gil clearly state that these were far right comments?

Beth I have truely misjudged you for that I sincerely apologize. Not playing there, the "entertainment" they have planned I find disgusting

And how would you or a black man react to a white person in Black face making stereotypical jokes about blacks. Thats how I see Drag Queens. Perhaps if they were not at every single Pride Fest. and exactly what does drag have to do with gay pride?

You could always book them as entertainment at the gay pride festival in Tehran.

Reacting to the California Supreme Court’s decision overturing a same-sex marriage ban, the far right group Campaign for Children and Families compares county clerks issuing same-sex marriage licenses to Nazis gassing Jews during the Holocaust. Here’s what they say on their website, SaveCalifornia.com:

Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order.

Gotta love those nutcases on the far right and left, Campaign for Children and Families and Gil Smart.
I've come to the conclusion that marriage in a social/government context is meaningless, worthless and should be ignored. If you want to have a ceremony in your place of worship go nuts.
However, as far as any status that two people have because of a $40 court document and a $20,000 ceremony over two people who don't but live together, or two people who've never spoken to one another is worthless.
Let everybody pay the same share in taxes, forget this whole widower inherits the deceased wife's assets without penalty business
This solves a bunch of problems:
Marriage of convenience is moot.
Gay marriage is moot.
Stay at home parents are pretty rare, so since everyone works, many places "give" health bennies, we just divide it out between two people and everyone who's not married costs go down just a bit, while the health ins. industry's profits go up a bit.
Same-sex benefits is moot.
Divorce courts become ordinary civil courts.
Family law lawyers will still get plenty of business as people fight over their kids like flatware, but I don't think anything will change that.
Death benefits and death taxes are moot.
People might actually, I don't know, think about marriage as a pointless social institution that's only real purpose is to brand another person as property.
Nobody rides for free -- how about that?

This is not about gay marriage. It's about Gil finding these obscure articles, posting them, and then assigning guilt to conservatives or Republicans without the need to make any reasonable association.

I'd say that's exactly what bigots do. Look for minor faults to justify their bigotry, while ignoring all the good stuff.

I don't disagree with that.

Did it just start with this administration?

Speaking to myself: "Nothing is ever viewed in context with this crowd."

Sure. Why not?

Reacting to the California Supreme Court's decision overturing a same-sex marriage ban, the far right group Campaign for Children and Families compares county clerks issuing same-sex marriage licenses to Nazis gassing Jews during the Holocaust. Here's what they say on their website, SaveCalifornia.com:

Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order.

Because, you know, love and hate are the same thing. At least for this crowd.

Teh Stupid, it burns.




OK, here's Gil's post. Where does Gil clearly state that these were far right comments?

Beth I have truely misjudged you for that I sincerely apologize. Not playing there, the "entertainment" they have planned I find disgusting

Uhhh...right there where he says it....and uhhhh...if you follow the little linky things...it takes you to their website (in just a few seconds) ...and uhhh...if you have been even remotely osmotically absorbing the news, you've heard the group's name before...and uhhh...am I missing something?

What you are missing is that he doen't have to say it is far right garbage. It is blatantly obvious.

Unless you are so far right it appears reasonable.

Beth I have truely misjudged you for that I sincerely apologize. Not playing there, the "entertainment" they have planned I find disgusting

On this forum, some ARE so far right that they think it appears reasonable!!!

On this forum, some ARE so far LEFT that they think it appears reasonable!!!

On this forum, some ARE so far LEFT that they think it appears reasonable!!!

Reason: The capacity for logical, rational, and analytic thought; intelligence.

Progress: Steady improvement, as of a society or civilization

I think what you are experiencing is the very nature of "progressive" thought. In order to get the world to change and "progress" one must envision a world that may seem "unreasonable" to the masses, in spite of the fact that the very nature of this "progressive" vision is based upon logic, rationality, and analytic thought.

It's not our fault you want the world to spin backwards.

On this forum, some ARE so far LEFT that they think it appears reasonable!!!

since the universe is curved maybe those on the far left and those on the far right are close enough to shake hands.

"And Jesus said, "Come to the water, stand by my side; I know you are thirsty, you wont be denied. I felt every tear-drop when in darkness you cried, And I strove to remind you that for those tears I died."