More beer

May 23rd, 2008 12:19 pm · 22 comments

Occasionally a good idea, or was before I got so old.

In any event, I must take issue, as I always do, with the Era when it editorializes about beer sales:

Today we quote the president of the PA Malt Beverage Association, who says hey - you, Joe Consumer, already have plenty of convenience when it comes to buying beer, and you don’t need any more:

To make his point, Shipula cites U.S. Census Bureau figures showing there are 2,400 gas stations, 2,700 supermarkets and 2,900 drugstores in Pennsylvania.

Compare this, he says, to 1,300 beer distributorships, which sell beer by the case or keg, and 500 “deli” license-holders that allow people to buy up to two six-packs to go. Then add 12,000 bars and restaurants, many of which sell beer to take out.

“If there is power in numbers, that’s proof that we have convenience of access to beer,” he wrote.

Maybe it’s proof we don’t have enough access to drug stores.

In any event, the Era notes that he’s got an ax to grind, but follows up with this:

Yet the numbers he has come up with are convincing, particularly to those — like this newspaper — who think it’s not the state Liquor Control Board’s business to encourage beer sales.

They’re convincing, in other words, for those who want to be convinced.

My question is, if it’s not the LCB’s business to encourage beer sales, why is it the LCB’s business to discourage those sales?

Why is it government’s business to do this?

How about, government neither encourages nor discourages businesses from selling beer.

Conservatism is supposed to be predicated on a minimum of governmental involvement. But conservatism as it actually exists thinks the government should be plenty involved when it comes to moral issues - whom you may marry, when and where you may buy beer, where and how you may gamble.

Conservative government knows what’s best for you; government knows what’s moral.

Far be it for a liberal to say this - but government doesn’t know what’s best for me, and probably doesn’t know what’s best for you, either.

Prohibitionism isn’t an example of conservative governance; it is probably the last gasp, and greatest failure, of the Progressive era, back when people really did think it was government’s job to ”improve” society. Those who have worshipped at the altar of Reagan - who told us government was the problem - make no sense when they try to retain this aspect of government moral interventionism.

The simple fact of the matter is that the state wants to revise our outdated liquor rules because the big breweries, among others, are pushing for changes; and the state has this idea, probably correct, that revising the rules could increase tax revenue.

Less government intervention that produces more tax revenue is something a true conservative should support. Unless their chief concern is that you might be having too good a time.

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  22 comments  Tags: Alcohol · Pennsylvania

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dragonrider
5/23/08
12:37 PM
I make my own beer and skip the middle men.
Lysol54
5/23/08
12:41 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 23 2008, 12:37 PM) [snapback]392985[/snapback]
I make my own beer and skip the middle men.




Ditto here. Got into it about 6 months ago.

gsmart
5/23/08
12:42 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 23 2008, 12:37 PM) [snapback]392985[/snapback]
I make my own beer and skip the middle men.




Checkmate.

Pericles
5/23/08
12:51 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ May 23 2008, 12:20 PM) [snapback]392967[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


Interjecting conservatism into an article about the proper way to care for a hamster. Then blaming conservatism because the hamster's dead.

Lysol54
5/23/08
1:00 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 23 2008, 12:51 PM) [snapback]392998[/snapback]


Interjecting conservatism into an article about the proper way to care for a hamster. Then blaming conservatism because the hamster's dead.





Care to try that again and actually make some sense with your post? You mean to tell me you think the liquor laws PA has right now make a lot of sense? The reason that they are so backwards in the first place is because of Conservatives. I'm sorry if that hurts your delicate feelings bud, but thats the truth.

mam0412
5/23/08
3:29 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ May 23 2008, 01:00 PM) [snapback]393001[/snapback]

Care to try that again and actually make some sense with your post? You mean to tell me you think the liquor laws PA has right now make a lot of sense? The reason that they are so backwards in the first place is because of Conservatives. I'm sorry if that hurts your delicate feelings bud, but thats the truth.


Go easy on him Lysol. Pericles' only purpose with that post was to refute something because Gil wrote it. He really doesn't believe what he writes. He just wants to get on Gil's case.

Lysol54
5/23/08
3:38 PM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ May 23 2008, 03:29 PM) [snapback]393080[/snapback]


Go easy on him Lysol. Pericles' only purpose with that post was to refute something because Gil wrote it. He really doesn't believe what he writes. He just wants to get on Gil's case.





I have noticed that quite a bit lately. He'll have no clue what hes talking about, he just likes to go after Gil, constantly. I have an idea for him. Just stop reading Gils blog. Pretty simple awnser. Although doubt he'll take that advice. Maybe save him from a heart attack or something.

Pericles
5/23/08
3:44 PM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ May 23 2008, 03:29 PM) [snapback]393080[/snapback]


Go easy on him Lysol. Pericles' only purpose with that post was to refute something because Gil wrote it. He really doesn't believe what he writes. He just wants to get on Gil's case.



Rather Gil cannot refrain from blaming conservatives for every evil, even when, and especially this case, it has nothing to do with the issue.

The anachronistic liquor and beverage sales system in PA has everything to do with patronage and union jobs (state stores), business interests (beer distributors), and other special interests (Mothers Against Drunk Driving).

I guess I could make the case that liberals are at fault, but that would be stupid, just like Gil was stupid in this post.

We've had Democrat general assemblies and governors. If conservatives are keeping this system in place, why haven't these people taken action?

This was likely the dumbest association that Gil has made with conservatives yet.
Lysol54
5/23/08
3:51 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 23 2008, 03:44 PM) [snapback]393088[/snapback]


Rather Gil cannot refrain from blaming conservatives for every evil, even when, and especially this case, it has nothing to do with the issue.

The anachronistic liquor and beverage sales system in PA has everything to do with patronage and union jobs (state stores), business interests (beer distributors), and other special interests (Mothers Against Drunk Driving).

I guess I could make the case that liberals are at fault, but that would be stupid, just like Gil was stupid in this post.

We've had Democrat general assemblies and governors. If conservatives are keeping this system in place, why haven't these people taken action?

This was likely the dumbest association that Gil has made with conservatives yet.




Well once again your wrong, but thats nothing new. Conservatives do have something to do with this issue. You just choose not to see the reality, thats not Gils fault. Business interests are usually represented by Republicans correct? I mean their all for the low taxes etc. So once again your logic falls flat. Yeah over generalize and say we've had Dem Governers and General Assemblies. Of course Republican GA and Govenors always get everything done, and never cave to speical interets. How silly of me. We get it you don't like Gil, but his arguement here really isn't as flimsy as you want to make it seem. Go ahead and make the case that the liberals are at fault, i'd like to see the facts you use to back that up then as well. For as much as you like to spout off as a know it all, i'm waiting to see this.

Pericles
5/23/08
4:00 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ May 23 2008, 03:51 PM) [snapback]393094[/snapback]




Well once again your wrong, but thats nothing new. Conservatives do have something to do with this issue. You just choose not to see the reality, thats not Gils fault. Business interests are usually represented by Republicans correct? I mean their all for the low taxes etc. So once again your logic falls flat. Yeah over generalize and say we've had Dem Governers and General Assemblies. Of course Republican GA and Govenors always get everything done, and never cave to speical interets. How silly of me. We get it you don't like Gil, but his arguement here really isn't as flimsy as you want to make it seem. Go ahead and make the case that the liberals are at fault, i'd like to see the facts you use to back that up then as well. For as much as you like to spout off as a know it all, i'm waiting to see this.



All that and you didn't say anything relevant.
Lysol54
5/23/08
4:01 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 23 2008, 04:00 PM) [snapback]393101[/snapback]


All that and you didn't say anything relevant.




I guess after all this time your starting to rub off on me. Pretty sad thats the only comeback you have to my post. Oh well i would have expected a little better from you.
Pericles
5/23/08
4:09 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ May 23 2008, 04:01 PM) [snapback]393102[/snapback]


I guess after all this time your starting to rub off on me. Pretty sad thats the only comeback you have to my post. Oh well i would have expected a little better from you.


Excuse me, but I have some knowlege of this issue and I'm very familiar with some of the entities involved in this issue, who are most assuredly not conservative, and definitely want to stop any further expansion of beer sales.

It has absolutely nothing to do with a conservative point of view or a liberal one. That's the point I was making.

There are special interests at work who want to maintain the status quo. That's why change has been so darn slow in this industry. For Gil to blame this on conservatives is just plain dumb.
Lysol54
5/23/08
4:15 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 23 2008, 04:09 PM) [snapback]393109[/snapback]


Excuse me, but I have some knowlege of this issue and I'm very familiar with some of the entities involved in this issue, who are most assuredly not conservative, and definitely want to stop any further expansion of beer sales.

It has absolutely nothing to do with a conservative point of view or a liberal one. That's the point I was making.

There are special interests at work who want to maintain the status quo. That's why change has been so darn slow in this industry. For Gil to blame this on conservatives is just plain dumb.




Oh your excused. I happen to have alittle knowledge of this issue as well. I've never said that there were not special interests at work here. Did I?? But name one part of the government that does not have one special interest or another pulling power to their side. I mean Republicans love special interest groups. GW proved that. Unfortunately thats just politics as usual in the state of PA and Federal government. But for you to say that this has nothing to do with party politics is just plain wrong. For some reason you like to do that, you like to over generalize to try and prove your point. I mean i know thats a typical Repub trick, but i always thought you to be above it.
gsmart
5/23/08
4:16 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 23 2008, 04:09 PM) [snapback]393109[/snapback]

There are special interests at work who want to maintain the status quo. That's why change has been so darn slow in this industry. For Gil to blame this on conservatives is just plain dumb.




Pericles, I'm not blaming the existence of the current system on conservatives, because I think you're right - patronage and business interests and unions have much to do with why the current system has been perpetuated.



My issue was with the argument that it should continue to be perpetuated - and that argument was made from an entirely moralistic standpoint.



And that moralistic standpoint does indeed motivate lots and lots and lots of local folks who self-identify as conservative. In fact, I'd wager the bulk of Lancaster County conservatives (your mileage may vary outside our borders) see nothing strange about restricting beer sales for moral reasons and calling it conservative.

Lysol54
5/23/08
4:18 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 23 2008, 04:16 PM) [snapback]393114[/snapback]




Pericles, I'm not blaming the existence of the current system on conservatives, because I think you're right - patronage and business interests and unions have much to do with why the current system has been perpetuated.



My issue was with the argument that it should continue to be perpetuated - and that argument was made from an entirely moralistic standpoint.



And that moralistic standpoint does indeed motivate lots and lots and lots of local folks who self-identify as conservative. In fact, I'd wager the bulk of Lancaster County conservatives (your mileage may vary outside our borders) see nothing strange about restricting beer sales for moral reasons and calling it conservative.





Shame you had to spell that out to Pericles. Gets so blinded by your posts, he can't actually undestand what your writing about. You really don't have to look any farther than Drumore township for your proof of that. They voted to stay dry a few years back and many people interviewd gave Gils reasons for staying dry
dragonrider
5/23/08
4:30 PM
Now if we could only get them to sell Maryjane at them State Stores.
Nick Danger
5/23/08
4:31 PM
Reading these posts makes me thirsty.

Time for a Warsteiner.
Paul Sweedlepipe
5/23/08
4:48 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 23 2008, 09:37 AM) [snapback]392985[/snapback]
I make my own beer and skip the middle men.


me too

gsmart
5/23/08
4:56 PM
QUOTE(Nick Danger @ May 23 2008, 04:31 PM) [snapback]393121[/snapback]
Reading these posts makes me thirsty.

Time for a Warsteiner.




Dos Equis, my man. Time for summer!

bigstew
5/23/08
5:06 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ May 23 2008, 04:18 PM) [snapback]393115[/snapback]




Shame you had to spell that out to Pericles. Gets so blinded by your posts, he can't actually undestand what your writing about. You really don't have to look any farther than Drumore township for your proof of that. They voted to stay dry a few years back and many people interviewd gave Gils reasons for staying dry
?????
dragonrider
5/23/08
5:19 PM
QUOTE(bigstew @ May 23 2008, 05:06 PM) [snapback]393130[/snapback]
?????
your most intelligent post to date.
runutz
5/23/08
5:52 PM


More beer. And bread. And circuses.
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