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Obama can't run as a change candidate with Hillary on the ticket. At his Lancaster Amtrak speech, he belittled her for opposing NAFTA now, when her husband signed it into law.

As the saying goes, "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"

Selective outrage?

Relax, it's only money. What's it matter when all the saved folk will be gone and us heathens will be left to clean up the mess they left behind.

When they're gone you'll have no one to blame for your woes. Wait, I've read that book, I know what happens after Farmer Jones is gone.

For my woes. What part of a gov't that is effectivly operating a an oligarchy, for the rich by the rich, don't you understand?

Who's farmer Jones?

Why Farmer Jones is that corporate farmer who is going to get a million dollar check from the new Farm Bill.

Why Farmer Jones is that corporate farmer who is going to get a million dollar check from the new Farm Bill.

For my woes. What part of a gov't that is effectivly operating as an oligarchy, for the rich by the rich, don't you understand?

Who's farmer Jones?

Why Farmer Jones is that corporate farmer who is going to get a million dollar check from the new Farm Bill.

So where are the free marketeers when it comes to Lancaster Co. republican farmers feeding at the trough?

I understand that communism, facism, socialism and marxism don't offer better alternatives to capitalism. They've been tried and failed, or are failing, miserably. As imperfect as we are, and all governments, I think we could do a lot worse.

We had a capitalist system at one time.

Myself & many others think we could do a lot better.

electing a different party. Of course the same crap continues to happen, but then it doesn't seem so bad, which tells me that "many" people aren't all that concerned about doing better.

Socialism seems to be doing ok in Europe. What part of "Commonwealth" of Pa don't you understand. Get it "Commonwealth" = Socialism

Notice I haven't changed my signature line in years. What part of gov't for the people by the people is untenable?

You joined in 04. How many administrations has that been?

Socialism seems to be doing ok in Europe.

I understand that communism, facism, socialism and marxism don't offer better alternatives to capitalism. They've been tried and failed, or are failing, miserably. As imperfect as we are, and all governments, I think we could do a lot worse.

As many as it takes to dismantle the pay-to-play system.
They're doing very well. The EU replaced US as the world's largest economy, earlier this year. Their tax rates are lower, gov't provides more.

As many as it takes to dismantle the pay-to-play system.
They're doing very well. The EU replaced US as the world's largest economy, earlier this year. Their tax rates are lower, gov't provides more.

Depends on who you are, current account balances of central government:

#1 = China = $ 363,300,000,000

# 164 (last) = USA = $ -747,100,000,000

I'm not saying I want to live in a communist country, I'm just saying...that is a trillion dollars...for a capitalist country, we haven't exactly mastered the concept.

They are not all socialist, and the ones that are are social democracies with HUGE welfare states and HUGE taxes. Moreover, their cost of livinging is typically 25-30% higher than ours and have historically had signigicantly higher unemployment rates.

They are not all socialist, and the ones that are are social democracies with HUGE welfare states and HUGE taxes. Moreover, their cost of livinging is typically 25-30% higher than ours and have historically had signigicantly higher unemployment rates.

Depends on who you are, current account balances of central government:

#1 = China = $ 363,300,000,000

# 164 (last) = USA = $ -747,100,000,000

I'm not saying I want to live in a communist country, I'm just saying...that is a trillion dollars...for a capitalist country, we haven't exactly mastered the concept.

All we get is a used war and a few trillion in debt that pericles will help to repay .

Would you trade your freedom of speech for a $1 million?

Yea, but they get 5 weeks vacation every year.

We're a HUGE tax system, it's all in what you report as income and exploiting the loopholes, can you say charitable trust fund. It's all perfectly legal under existing tax code, implemented since 83 by D & Rs alike.

The middle class pays the bulk of the taxes in this country. We're seeing diminished return on investment in gov't. The tax burden is being shifted to state & local governments.

The middle class pays the bulk of the taxes in this country.

They are not all socialist, and the ones that are are social democracies with HUGE welfare states and HUGE taxes. Moreover, their cost of livinging is typically 25-30% higher than ours and have historically had signigicantly higher unemployment rates.

That is incorrect.

Let me qualify it, the middle class pays the bulk of overall taxes in this country.
The rich pay the most income taxes on reported income. It all boils down to what's reported as income. How else would billionaires and their secretaries BOTH pay 15%.
Accept it or remain blissfully unaware & happy.

How much did you get for habeas corpus?

At last I'm helping to fund something worth paying for.

You are funding a war machine. Nothing more, nothing less.

I want a peace machine.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/novem...-pays-the-taxes

A peace machine is a war machine at rest. But you don't want to fund that either.

Wow, you really do subscribe to the neo-con brain transmissions...ya know all the slogans.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/novem...-pays-the-taxes

Nick Schulz is the Editor-in-Chief of The American Magazine/website & TCS Daily (Tech Central Station).

A biographical note states that prior to joining TCS he was "the Politics Editor for FOXNews.com, the website of the Fox News Channel. Schulz orchestrated the site's coverage of the 2000 election and the Florida deadlock."

That is incorrect.

Let me qualify it, the middle class pays the bulk of overall taxes in this country.
The rich pay the most income taxes on reported income. It all boils down to what's reported as income. How else would billionaires and their secretaries BOTH pay 15%.
Accept it or remain blissfully unaware & happy.

Yea i trust him

Taxes paid compared to benefits received:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/2282.html

More on top earners paying most taxes

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxand...whopaysmost.htm

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/...the_most_taxes/

What is the percent of income paid in taxes paid compared to the percent of income paid by the middle income. That is a truer measure of fairness. when you pay sales tax the sales tax rate doesn't go down as the cost of the item rises. its the same across the board but in a reverse system we have the highest earners who are earning money from capital gains are paying at a 10% lower rate of 15% than their secretaries who are paying on payroll taxes at 25%

Tell us what would happen to Israel if they disarmed. Would peace break out?

can you cite your sources and statistics?

Then the billionaire pays $150 million and his secretary pays $15 thousand. Yep, it's the same.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/novem...-pays-the-taxes




The lives of some innocent terrorism victims.

The secretary is paying a higher "rate" of total income into his/her retirement system (Social Security), which I'd like to see privatized, but you oppose that. It's your system. Don't complain about it. That's what you all want.
Still waiting for an answer 2fat2ride.

I just made it up, but it's certainly relevant.

Tell us what would happen to Israel if they disarmed. Would peace break out?

From Bertrand Russell in 1970ish:

"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given" by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict. No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East. We are frequently told that we must sympathise with Israel because of the suffering of the Jews in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. […] What Israel is doing today cannot be condoned, and to invoke the horrors of the past to justify those of the present is gross hypocrisy.

So you're knowledgeable of Lancaster County farm subsidies? Tell us what subsidies local farmers are receiving.

8.6 million dollars for Lancaster farmers in 2006

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/progdetail.php?fi...tal&page=county

And here is a list of the individual farmers that recieved the various amounts:

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/top_recips.php?fi...&progcode=total


If you click around a little you will be able to see what sorts of subsidies each farmer has received over the past ten years and in what amounts. Some of these names on the list may not sound familiar as they are DBAs or coops, so you can also click on the ownership button to see the individuals who own the farm.

I now consider myself informed.

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I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would be a disaster. Obama has the ability to draw moderate Republicans to him. Hillary does not and would take that ability away from Obama if she were on the ticket. The only thing it would do would provide unity for the Democrats, but I find it hard to believe a Democrat would vote for McCain anyway. Should the ticket win, it provides nothing in terms of actually running the country.

Would you trade your freedom of speech for a $1 million?

A peace machine is a war machine at rest. But you don't want to fund that either.

Again cite your source and statistics.

Actually what is that multibillionare? says that he pays a lower percentage of his income in taxes than his secretary. So you feel its ok that a secretary that is prolly just scraping by is paying a higher percentage of her salary in taxes than her boss who is making a 1000 x's what she makes is paying at a lower rate. And this is a just system???

8.6 million dollars for Lancaster farmers in 2006

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/progdetail.php?fi...tal&page=county

And here is a list of the individual farmers that recieved the various amounts:

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/top_recips.php?fi...&progcode=total


If you click around a little you will be able to see what sorts of subsidies each farmer has received over the past ten years and in what amounts. Some of these names on the list may not sound familiar as they are DBAs or coops, so you can also click on the ownership button to see the individuals who own the farm.

I now consider myself informed.

I don't know much about this, but I do know that back in the other Commonwealth, my dad was paid NOT to grow over a certain limit of certain crops. I'm not sure why they wanted to limit production when it would help feed more people, but that's exactly what they did.