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Tuesday, May 20th, 2008...10:57 am

How dare you call my racism racist???

winger-mail.jpg

And now, it’s time for… Winger Mail!

And lemme tell ya, last week’s bit brought truckloads of winger mail, most of which can be boiled down to: Sure, I dislike the dangerous negro Barack Obama who wants to turn America Muslim, but how dare you call me racist!

And in fact, one particular piece of winger mail was just so good (i.e. bad), I can’t resist sharing. Though you’ll wish I did.

A few truths, or perhaps truthful questions you may dare to ask yourself, if you truly be a “journalist” Sir; why does your article continually refer to “white” people but not “black” people, only blacks can be African-Americans, can we not be Euro-Americans also?

Sure. The Aryan Nations makes that argument all the time.

And you rant on and on about the “racist, evil, whites” not voting for poor Mr. Obama because he is a half-black, now I do wonder why no sorrow was felt for Senator Clinton when Mr. Obama gathered at times 92% of black voters in heavy black populated areas, do you possibly suppose there are BLACK RACISTS TOO?

There is, of course, a difference between voting for someone - for whatever purpose - and specifically voting against someone on the basis of race or gender or nationality. If black voters vote for a black candidate, and female voters vote for a female candidate, that’s perhaps an example of identity politics. But there’s a difference in supporting someone on the basis of real or perceived solidarity and specifically voting against the black guy because he’s black.

Just to let you know, my wife & I, along with other family members and friends were very proud to have switched our Republican Party voter registration prior to the Pennsylvania Primary for the sole purpose of keeping Mr. Obama out, and pray he gets the beating he deserves in Kentucky also.  But not for the reasons you want to believe; we dislike Mr. Obama because he is un-American in our opinion, dislike his wife, vehemently dislike his “mentor” Mr. Wright, and do not wish to turn this country into the likes of inner-city Chicago, or any other large American inner-city society,———-one that is run by, and for minority culture, we have all seen how they have turned-out to be.

See, Obama is going to ghetto-ize America. And that’s not racist!

Except that it is.

Mr. Obama is a black person running to be president, not a person running to be president who happens to be black or any other color.  Whether you believe it or not, we would openly support and vote for persons such as Condolezza Rice, Justice Clarance Thomas, Mayor Michael Nutter, and many others, who just happen to be black,——-but then they are not your liberal, “rapp’en” dudes.

Sadly! No has a hilarious series of graphics it runs in response to such things. Like this:

obamanwa.jpg

So, whether we vote for President Clinton or President McCain remains to be seen, not really in love with either, only certain it cannot be Mr. Obama.  Oops, sorry, that must have been a racist remark again from this somewhat educated elitist.

“Somewhat” being a relative term.

See, though, I expected this. There’s nothing a racist hates worse than being called on his racism - because this kind of racist’s racism is legitimately held, or so he thinks. Unless, of course, they’ve pledged fealty to the Republican Party, and then they’re all right.

But this letter basically boils down to: I ain’t voting for Obama because he’s black. Every protestation by this writer that it’s about something else always gets back to this touchstone. And I imagine the writer, down deep, is very very afraid at what he sees happening to his white American.

And all I have to say about that is: Good.

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Pericles
5/20/08
3:59 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ May 20 2008, 11:00 AM) [snapback]391490[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


Not to worry Gil. You're post is not a cry in the dark. Help is on the way.

http://www.nysun.com/news/foreign/united-n...d-states-racism
Scubabike420
5/20/08
4:37 PM
Just too funny. You really don't get it, do you? Your way of thinking is exactly what is perpetuating racism in this country. You refuse to believe there is a distinction between the color of someone's skin and values. That when people attack the idea of living life as a victim, they are attacking a person's race. That when a person criticizes a push for government to be the solution to everyone's problems they are a racist. Don't you realize that it is you who is making a connection between those values and a specific race. You are basically implying that just because someone is of a different race they are not permitted to comment negatively on the other person's character.

I judge by character and not race. I would rather not support Clinton or Obama, but if pressured I would choose Clinton because I feel she would take this country in a better direction than Obama. I guess that automatically makes me a racist since I'm a white male. Where do I get my hood and cape?
segjt
5/20/08
9:29 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ May 20 2008, 11:00 AM) [snapback]391490[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.




Bottom line....America won't vote Obama into the presidency. I guess that makes America racist...geez....what a tweed!!

cyberscribbler
5/21/08
9:22 AM
QUOTE(Scubabike420 @ May 20 2008, 04:37 PM) [snapback]391697[/snapback]
I judge by character and not race.
Aren't you the same one who disqualifies people because they have an unusual name, like Shantiqua.?
Bigby_M
5/21/08
9:58 AM
QUOTE(segjt @ May 20 2008, 09:29 PM) [snapback]391771[/snapback]




Bottom line....America won't vote Obama into the presidency. I guess that makes America racist...geez....what a tweed!!



It's always so quaint to see some Lancaster Countian who believes the whole country is just like Lancaster County, advertise his "charm."

Racist?

Maybe

Republican?

Probably.

Hick?

Indubitably! laugh.gif

mam0412
5/21/08
10:47 AM
Wow, that's about as racist/ignorant as you can get. Obama is a "rapp'en" dude? News to me. If they meant he's a rappin' dude, that's news to me as well. He's going to ghettoize America? Really? Where is that in any of Obama's literature? And I'm sorry, whites can be African-American. Dave Matthews of the Dave Matthews Band comes to mind. White guy, born in South Africa, moved to Charlottesville, VA as a child. He's actually more African-American than the 3 black guys in the band or at least many generations closer to it.
littledutchboy
5/21/08
10:58 AM
QUOTE
]There is, of course, a difference[/b] between voting for someone - for whatever purpose - and specifically voting against someone on the basis of race or gender or nationality. If black voters vote for a black candidate, and female voters vote for a female candidate, that's perhaps an example of identity politics. But there's a difference in supporting someone on the basis of real or perceived solidarity and specifically voting against the black guy because he's black




If someone votes for a candidate solely because of that persons race, that's racism, and all the "spinning" in the world, ( and Gil's mind ) will not change it.

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If someone votes for someone on the basis of race they intern didn't vote for the other candidate because of the other candidate's race.



Only in liberal thinking do we see this sort of abandonment of logic.

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QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 09:22 AM) [snapback]391893[/snapback]
Aren't you the same one who disqualifies people because they have an unusual name, like Shantiqua.?




Is that really a name? blink.gif

solitary
5/21/08
10:59 AM
QUOTE(Scubabike420 @ May 20 2008, 04:37 PM) [snapback]391697[/snapback]
You are basically implying that just because someone is of a different race they are not permitted to comment negatively on the other person's character.
Only if you're white. If you're not white, you can comment on anyone's character. If you're white, you can't comment on any one who's not 100% caucasian, non-hispanic decent.
QUOTE(Scubabike420 @ May 20 2008, 04:37 PM) [snapback]391697[/snapback]
I judge by character and not race. I would rather not support Clinton or Obama, but if pressured I would choose Clinton because I feel she would take this country in a better direction than Obama. I guess that automatically makes me a racist since I'm a white male. Where do I get my hood and cape?
I'd rather vote for Obama than Clinton. In fact, I'd rather amputate a limb with a dull spoon than vote for Clinton.
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 09:22 AM) [snapback]391893[/snapback]
Aren't you the same one who disqualifies people because they have an unusual name, like Shantiqua.?
Unusual is one thing, stupid parents usually raise stupid kids. Thankfully, some forever scar their children shortly after birth by giving them a name that is moronic, or occasionally picking a name like Jacques (you know, like that undersea explorer guy...), and instead of prounouncing it "YzOCK", pronounce it phonetically.
How seriously would you take the resume of a person seeking employment, who is otherwise qualified, with the name Vagina Brown?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
11:00 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 21 2008, 10:58 AM) [snapback]391947[/snapback]
Is that really a name? blink.gif
Is a name an indicator of the content of someone's character? No.

QUOTE(Solitary)
How seriously would you take the resume of a person seeking employment, who is otherwise qualified, with the name Vagina Brown?
The mere fact that you have to resort to a ridiculous example proves my point. Where'd you get that example, from an episode of Family Guy? rolleyes.gif
QUOTE('Gil Smart')

And now, it’s time for… Winger Mail!
Sometimes indistinguisable from Winger posts on talkback. laugh.gif

Bigby_M
5/21/08
11:38 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 21 2008, 10:58 AM) [snapback]391947[/snapback]




If someone votes for a candidate solely because of that persons race, that's racism, and all the "spinning" in the world, ( and Gil's mind ) will not change it.




What do you call someone who automatically assumes that black people are voting for Obama only because he is another black?



Scout
5/21/08
11:43 AM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 21 2008, 11:38 AM) [snapback]391969[/snapback]

What do you call someone who automatically assumes that black people are voting for Obama only because he is another black?




ummmmm I vote for something that would get turned into a bleep LOL

Wonder
5/21/08
12:20 PM
QUOTE
I judge by character and not race. I would rather not support Clinton or Obama, but if pressured I would choose Clinton because I feel she would take this country in a better direction than Obama. I guess that automatically makes me a racist since I'm a white male. Where do I get my hood and cape?

I agree [except that I am a white female]. Make my cape turquoise, please.

At least Clinton says something beyond the platitudes from time to time and she can answer unique questions without falling back on her canned answers. Whenever Obama speaks, he says the same things from his script. When Obama varies from the script, he tends to say something he must qualify, later. I repeat again, that Obama is too immature in the political sense to run for president.
I believe that John Mac and Hillary are fairly equal in the speaking department and hope they get the opportunity to explain their views in debate. I believe that Obama will not survive a debate situation. He will step into too many holes. I am a registered Republican with a wait and see attitude [but I also question the value of Bill Clinton in the White House as "First Spouse"]. ohmy.gif

On names: There is an adult female walking around today named, "Shacrisha". I often wondered if she was named after the first thing her Mom saw after giving birth. My apologies, "Shacrisha", it was not your fault. All the Moms were making up names at the time.
dragonrider
5/21/08
12:52 PM
how about the names dweezil and moonunit.
littledutchboy
5/21/08
1:11 PM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 21 2008, 11:38 AM) [snapback]391969[/snapback]


What do you call someone who automatically assumes that black people are voting for Obama only because he is another black?







We don’t know that answer because there has not been any real scrutiny of the black electorate as it relates to Oboomer’s support. Having said that.



Sometime we can get meaning from what we don’t hear, where are the black interviews regarding their support for Oboomer, we heard from all other races, genders etc. from W. V. , why don’t we hear the reasons for blacks supporting Oboomer….I think the answer is obvious, They’re black and he’s black…





cyberscribbler
5/21/08
1:44 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 21 2008, 01:11 PM) [snapback]392018[/snapback]
why don't we hear the reasons for blacks supporting Oboomer….I think the answer is obvious
Most blacks are democrats, Obama is the potential democratic nominee. Why didn't Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton win the nominations when they ran, Captain Obvious?
Pericles
5/21/08
1:51 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 01:44 PM) [snapback]392038[/snapback]
Most blacks are democrats, Obama is the potential democratic nominee. Why didn't Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton win the nominations when they ran, Captain Obvious?


In 1984, Mr. Jackson received 77 percent of the black vote, which translated into a total of 2.3 million ballots. In 1988, Mr. Jackson won a larger share of a bigger black vote. He got 92 percent of all ballots cast by blacks this year.
solitary
5/21/08
1:57 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 11:00 AM) [snapback]391950[/snapback]
The mere fact that you have to resort to a ridiculous example proves my point. Where'd you get that example, from an episode of Family Guy? rolleyes.gif
Jac-ques: I make no secret that I used to work in a public school district. This was a student at one of the elementary schools. There was a student named "Fem-Al-ee" (Female).
Somebody took the time to write a "your name means" for Vagina and Female
So I thought, ah, this must be a bunch of crap if my name is there, just random generated by computer stuff. Then I tried Ohaewano. That didn't work.
BTW, appearantly, I'm female according to this site. Which is news to me, but I double checked, they're wrong. I'm definitely not female.
Here submissions from other people, on a different forum. Obviously, I don't know the accuracy of them.
But how about US Census records? I'm not into geneology, the most recent record I could get was from 1930 on Ancestry.com
Name: Vagina Dowling
Spouse: Harry L
Birth: abt 1888
Residence: 1930 - city, Glynn, Georgia
I stopped scrolling through the records, but there's at least 100 occurrances of "Vagina" as first name.

If it weren't so close to home, this satire wouldn't be.
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
2:09 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 01:51 PM) [snapback]392044[/snapback]

In 1984, Mr. Jackson received 2.3 million ballots.
So it wasn't enough to secure the nomination. I guess that means he wasn't a viable candidate. Like Ron Paul is in your party.
How many Jewish Americans backed Leiberman?
What does it matter? Obama is being judged by the content of his character.

Done here.
Pericles
5/21/08
2:12 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 02:09 PM) [snapback]392060[/snapback]
So it wasn't enough to secure the nomination. I guess that means he wasn't a viable candidate. Like Ron Paul is in your party.
How many Jewish Americans backed Leiberman?
What does it matter? Obama is being judged by the content of his character.

Done here.


I'm not arguing, except to say that Jesse Jackson also garnered 92% of the black vote, a point that you danced around.
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
2:14 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 02:12 PM) [snapback]392063[/snapback]


I'm not arguing, except to say that Jesse Jackson also garnered 92% of the black vote, a point that you danced around.
Are 92% of blacks democrats, maybe higher, Ya think?

dragonrider
5/21/08
2:24 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 02:09 PM) [snapback]392060[/snapback]
So it wasn't enough to secure the nomination. I guess that means he wasn't a viable candidate. Like Ron Paul is in your party.
How many Jewish Americans backed Leiberman?
What does it matter? Obama is being judged by the content of his character.

Done here.
How come none of the talking heads are pointing out the Ron Paul is still pulling 20% of the vote against McBush

QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 02:12 PM) [snapback]392063[/snapback]


I'm not arguing, except to say that Jesse Jackson also garnered 92% of the black vote, a point that you danced around.
But recieved little or no white vote, not true for Obama who in most states gets a sizable portion on white votes . Seems like on ly in Hillbilly country does he get no white votes.
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
2:31 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 21 2008, 02:24 PM) [snapback]392069[/snapback]
Seems like on ly in Hillbilly country does he get no white votes.
Like Kentucky & West Virginia are going to actually play pivotal roles in the election.


solitary
5/21/08
2:35 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]392072[/snapback]
Like Kentucky & West Virginia are going to actually play pivotal roles in the election.
Well, if you beleive Clinton.
I'm still trying to figure out how she plans to pull out a series win when you lose the first three of seven, you're down 20 to one and it's the bottom of the ninth. Even putting Barry Bonds to pinch hit won't get you what you really need -- all but the pitcher to be struck by lightening.
Pericles
5/21/08
2:42 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]392072[/snapback]
Like Kentucky & West Virginia are going to actually play pivotal roles in the election.


You mean like the 2000 election and Al Gore where West Virginia (a swing state) made no difference? cool.gif


QUOTE(solitary @ May 21 2008, 02:35 PM) [snapback]392074[/snapback]
Well, if you beleive Clinton.
I'm still trying to figure out how she plans to pull out a series win when you lose the first three of seven, you're down 20 to one and it's the bottom of the ninth. Even putting Barry Bonds to pinch hit won't get you what you really need -- all but the pitcher to be struck by lightening.


The point is that if Obama loses Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania, he loses the election, so he has to pick up those white voters.
dragonrider
5/21/08
2:46 PM
QUOTE(solitary @ May 21 2008, 02:35 PM) [snapback]392074[/snapback]
Well, if you beleive Clinton.
I'm still trying to figure out how she plans to pull out a series win when you lose the first three of seven, you're down 20 to one and it's the bottom of the ninth. Even putting Barry Bonds to pinch hit won't get you what you really need -- all but the pitcher to be struck by lightening.
She wins by getting Michigan and Florida votes counted and then she bribes some more superdelegates to vote for her. Not much milage on the news she tried to bribe some superdelegates.
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
2:48 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 02:42 PM) [snapback]392077[/snapback]


You mean like the 2000 election and Al Gore where West Virginia (a swing state) made no difference? cool.gif
Neglecting of course, how much time Bush spent there in 2000. That Rove stragedy that led to so many collapsed coal mines.
ohmy.gif
QUOTE
The point is that if Obama loses Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania, he loses the election, so he has to pick up those white voters.
He wasn't running against McCain in the primaries.
Pericles
5/21/08
3:04 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 02:48 PM) [snapback]392081[/snapback]
Neglecting of course, how much time Bush spent there in 2000. That Rove stragedy that led to so many collapsed coal mines.


I should have known that Rove was behind mine disasters too. He's behind all the other evils in the world.


QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 02:48 PM) [snapback]392081[/snapback]

He wasn't running against McCain in the primaries.


And if you aren't concerned with McCain picking up a large block of those democrat voters, then you aren't reading your own posts.


QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 21 2008, 02:46 PM) [snapback]392080[/snapback]
She wins by getting Michigan and Florida votes counted and then she bribes some more superdelegates to vote for her. Not much milage on the news she tried to bribe some superdelegates.


Hilliary must feel like a Republican these days. The Left is demonizing her and creating these wild fantasies about what she's going to do.

Amazing how this Democratic icon has now become a pariah.

If you guys were to use reason, at least this one time, you would quickly realize that the superdelegates cannot, and will not, give the nomination to Clinton. It would create a catastrophe in the party. Everyone should know that.
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
3:05 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 02:58 PM) [snapback]392088[/snapback]
I should have known that Rove was behind mine disasters too. He's behind all the other evils in the world.
In the book Bush's Brain, Rove saw a demographic in WV taht could be swayed by campaigning heavily there.

Once elected the Bush admin rolled back / didn't enforce federal mine safety guidelines which were major contributors to the mining collapes in WV, as well at UT & PA. Or was it just an anomaly (like global warming unsure.gif

QUOTE
And if you aren't concerned with McCain picking up a large block of those democrat voters, then you aren't reading your own posts.
McCain doesn't have the cross over appeal that Reagan did, plus the movement is in it's death throes at this point.
Pericles
5/21/08
3:07 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 03:05 PM) [snapback]392093[/snapback]


McCain doesn't have the cross over appeal that Reagan did, plus the movement is in it's death throes at this point.


The Conservative movement? McCain is hardly a member.
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
3:09 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 03:07 PM) [snapback]392094[/snapback]


The Conservative movement? McCain is hardly a member.
True, the true believers will vote for Ross Perot Ron Paul.
gsmart
5/21/08
3:09 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 02:58 PM) [snapback]392088[/snapback]

And if you aren't concerned with McCain picking up a large block of those democrat voters, then you aren't reading your own posts.




Oh, I think McCain does pick up some of those votes - but not enough to count.



Indeed, Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam theorize that this demographic is, in fact, the future of the Republican Party:



In their forthcoming book, “Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream” (Doubleday), Douthat and Salam are writing about, if not for, what they call “Sam’s Club Republicans”—members of the white working class, who are the descendants of Nixon’s “northern ethnics and southern Protestants” and the Reagan Democrats of the eighties. In their analysis, America is divided between the working class (defined as those without a college education) and a “mass upper class” of the college educated, who are culturally liberal and increasingly Democratic.



But the GOP has been peeling off these votes for years, and it's a diminishing percentage of the electorate. The Democrats, meanwhile, are peeling off a larger block of Republican voters, the suburbanites/exurbanites who don't want to eventually send their children to go fight the endless war in the Mideast.
Pericles
5/21/08
3:20 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 03:05 PM) [snapback]392093[/snapback]


Once elected the Bush admin rolled back / didn't enforce federal mine safety guidelines which were major contributors to the mining collapes in WV, as well at UT & PA. Or was it just an anomaly (like global warming unsure.gif


Of course the number of annual deaths from mining has remained constant regardless of the administration, but let's not have facts get in the way:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006..._mine_trag.html


QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]392096[/snapback]
True, the true believers will vote for Ross Perot Ron Paul.


And I thought you were up on this stuff, but you didn't even mention Bob Barr.

QUOTE(gsmart @ May 21 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]392097[/snapback]




Oh, I think McCain does pick up some of those votes - but not enough to count.



Indeed, Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam theorize that this demographic is, in fact, the future of the Republican Party:



In their forthcoming book, "Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream" (Doubleday), Douthat and Salam are writing about, if not for, what they call "Sam's Club Republicans"—members of the white working class, who are the descendants of Nixon's "northern ethnics and southern Protestants" and the Reagan Democrats of the eighties. In their analysis, America is divided between the working class (defined as those without a college education) and a "mass upper class" of the college educated, who are culturally liberal and increasingly Democratic.



But the GOP has been peeling off these votes for years, and it's a diminishing percentage of the electorate. The Democrats, meanwhile, are peeling off a larger block of Republican voters, the suburbanites/exurbanites who don't want to eventually send their children to go fight the endless war in the Mideast.


You may be correct, but this race will be decided in Ohio, West Virginia and right here in PA, and those Hillary voters will play a pivotal role, depending upon how many switch to McCain.
Bigby_M
5/21/08
3:23 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 03:07 PM) [snapback]392094[/snapback]


The Conservative movement? McCain is hardly a member.


Neither is Bush. Sadly conservatives let Bush define them and now they are stuck trying to explain why they did not adhere to pricipal and instead sold out to bigger government, foreign adventures, more entitlements, and a borrowing spree that made Reagan look fiscally, well, conservative. laugh.gif



Pericles
5/21/08
3:27 PM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 21 2008, 03:23 PM) [snapback]392101[/snapback]


Neither is Bush. Sadly conservatives let Bush define them and now they are stuck trying to explain why they did not adhere to pricipal and instead sold out to bigger government, foreign adventures, more entitlements, and a borrowing spree that made Reagan look fiscally, well, conservative. laugh.gif


Why are you complaining, you support three of four?
cyberscribbler
5/21/08
3:30 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 03:20 PM) [snapback]392099[/snapback]


Of course the number of annual deaths from mining has remained constant regardless of the administration, but let's not have facts get in the way:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006..._mine_trag.html
I see your one article from 2006 and raise you 25 (included in 1st link).
NY Times

Unsafe Mining

Despite Mining law, Tracking is years away (from 2007)

Another from 2007
QUOTE
And last year when a string of coal-mining disasters — that killed 48 miners — forced Congress to enact new safety legislation, it still gave companies far too much time to install communications systems that might have helped find the Utah miners.


gsmart
5/21/08
3:32 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 03:20 PM) [snapback]392099[/snapback]


You may be correct, but this race will be decided in Ohio, West Virginia and right here in PA, and those Hillary voters will play a pivotal role, depending upon how many switch to McCain.




No, this race is going to be decided in the south, where Obama will pick up far, far more votes than previous Democratic candidates have.



The big industrialized (or deindustrialized) states will actually have far less clout in this election than in previous ones.

Pericles
5/21/08
3:34 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 03:30 PM) [snapback]392106[/snapback]




And last year when a string of coal-mining disasters — that killed 48 miners — forced Congress to enact new safety legislation, it still gave companies far too much time to install communications systems that might have helped find the Utah miners.

In an industry with an average of 100 deaths per year?

Bigby_M
5/21/08
3:51 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 21 2008, 03:27 PM) [snapback]392105[/snapback]


Why are you complaining, you support three of four?


No complaining here, just eulogizing the demise of a once great notion reduced to ruin by the hand of George W Bush.

Although in fairness to W he did try his best.It just was good enough.

By a lot. laugh.gif

As evidenced by the results.

You ,though, should complain bitterly.

That is if you weren't complicit by your support of Bush . laugh.gif
SproutingUp
5/21/08
6:22 PM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ May 21 2008, 10:47 AM) [snapback]391941[/snapback]
Wow, that's about as racist/ignorant as you can get. Obama is a "rapp'en" dude? News to me. If they meant he's a rappin' dude, that's news to me as well. He's going to ghettoize America? Really? Where is that in any of Obama's literature? And I'm sorry, whites can be African-American. Dave Matthews of the Dave Matthews Band comes to mind. White guy, born in South Africa, moved to Charlottesville, VA as a child. He's actually more African-American than the 3 black guys in the band or at least many generations closer to it.




I was hoping somebody else realized that.

African American doesn't have to mean "black". There are many white African-Americans, they came from Africa and are now Americans. Do they get the same benefits and affirmative action? Just curious. It doesn't really matter, it's just that it always puzzled me as to how they would deal on their government forms with white people from Africa.



QUOTE(solitary @ May 21 2008, 10:59 AM) [snapback]391949[/snapback]
Only if you're white. If you're not white, you can comment on anyone's character. If you're white, you can't comment on any one who's not 100% caucasian, non-hispanic decent.
I'd rather vote for Obama than Clinton. In fact, I'd rather amputate a limb with a dull spoon than vote for Clinton.
Unusual is one thing, stupid parents usually raise stupid kids. Thankfully, some forever scar their children shortly after birth by giving them a name that is moronic, or occasionally picking a name like Jacques (you know, like that undersea explorer guy...), and instead of prounouncing it "YzOCK", pronounce it phonetically.
How seriously would you take the resume of a person seeking employment, who is otherwise qualified, with the name Vagina Brown?
Yeah, that's what I thought.




Honestly, swear to God, I actually met "Bertha Butts".



QUOTE(solitary @ May 21 2008, 01:57 PM) [snapback]392051[/snapback]
Jac-ques: I make no secret that I used to work in a public school district. This was a student at one of the elementary schools. There was a student named "Fem-Al-ee" (Female).
Somebody took the time to write a "your name means" for Vagina and Female
So I thought, ah, this must be a bunch of crap if my name is there, just random generated by computer stuff. Then I tried Ohaewano. That didn't work.
BTW, appearantly, I'm female according to this site. Which is news to me, but I double checked, they're wrong. I'm definitely not female.
Here submissions from other people, on a different forum. Obviously, I don't know the accuracy of them.
But how about US Census records? I'm not into geneology, the most recent record I could get was from 1930 on Ancestry.com
Name: Vagina Dowling
Spouse: Harry L
Birth: abt 1888
Residence: 1930 - city, Glynn, Georgia
I stopped scrolling through the records, but there's at least 100 occurrances of "Vagina" as first name.

If it weren't so close to home, this satire wouldn't be.




Knew a pair of twins, they were named (phonetically: O-ron-ja-lo and La-mon-ja-lo), spelled as: Orangejello and Lemonjello...that is....orange jello and lemon jello



QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]392072[/snapback]
Like Kentucky & West Virginia are going to actually play pivotal roles in the election.






who would have thought it would have come down to Ohio last time around? (everybody was expecting Flor-i-duh)

Bigby_M
5/21/08
6:23 PM
QUOTE(SproutingUp @ May 21 2008, 06:15 PM) [snapback]392176[/snapback]



Honestly, swear to God, I actually met "Bertha Butts".



How about the Roman named Bigus Dickus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw

SproutingUp
5/21/08
6:30 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 21 2008, 03:05 PM) [snapback]392093[/snapback]
In the book Bush's Brain,




Just wondering, did they ever find it? bush's brain that is....











If you want to live like a republican, you'd better vote for a democrat

cyberscribbler
5/22/08
8:01 AM
QUOTE(SproutingUp @ May 21 2008, 06:30 PM) [snapback]392179[/snapback]
Just wondering, did they ever find it? bush's brain that is....
If you want to live like a republican, you'd better vote for a democrat
Just like Saddam's WMDs, it was spirited away, if in fact it ever existed. wink.gif
littledutchboy
5/22/08
8:39 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 21 2008, 03:32 PM) [snapback]392108[/snapback]




No, this race is going to be decided in the south, where Obama will pick up far, far more votes than previous Democratic candidates have.



The big industrialized (or deindustrialized) states will actually have far less clout in this election than in previous ones.





What demographic factors will make the South pivotal? I don’t see them.







dragonrider
5/22/08
9:52 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 22 2008, 08:39 AM) [snapback]392358[/snapback]




What demographic factors will make the South pivotal? I don't see them.

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Loss of southern republican seats to democrats which will be replaced with Reagan democrats/dixiecrats
littledutchboy
5/22/08
10:00 AM