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Friday, May 9th, 2008...2:43 pm

Did Regular John vote for Bush?

Now, how can you be a good winger if you didn’t even vote for Teh Man?

And so here, our controversy of the week begins over at the Huffington Post, where Arianna - former Republican Arianna - writes of how, at a dinner party at Candice Bergen’s Beverly Hills home in the fall of 2000, John McCain said, quite audibly, that he did not vote for Teh Decider, President Bush.

Now, you might think Arianna is just saying this, to plug a book. Which she does have out. But now we’ve got two other guests at the party - former West Wing actors Bradley Whitford and Richard Schiff - saying they heard the same thing:

“McCain was just sort of going off on how much he disliked Bush and the horrible things that the Bush campaign had done to his family in South Carolina, and his exasperation with Bush about his ridiculous tax cuts and he really wanted to talk to him about it, but he said the guy doesn’t have the concentration, and you talk for 10 minutes and then the guy wants to talk about baseball,” Mr. Whitford said.

Another guest then asked Mr. McCain, Mr. Whitford recalled, whether he had voted for Mr. Bush. “And he put his finger in front of his mouth and mouthed, ‘No way,’ ” Mr. Whitford said.

And see, there was a time when this might have earned Sen. McCain brownie points - with the likes of me, anyway. But now, of course, McCain is his party’s standard-bearer; he may not be a total winger, but he has to play one on TV. And if there’s one thing the base won’t cotton to, it’s disloyalty; yes, Bush may well have been the most disastrous president in several generations, but unless you’ve been behind him every step of the way, you’re toast.

So of course McCain is denying everything. As he must.

But for me, the best part of the story is John McCain at a Beverly Hills soiree with Hollywood elite. Do you think he ate canapes? Drank white wine? If you’re John McCain, you’ve got to deny this as well; “No way did I have dinner in Beverly Hills. I was at a KFC in Canoga Park.”

Anything else would be elitist.

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Pericles
5/9/08
4:02 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ May 9 2008, 02:45 PM) [snapback]387533[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


But for me, the best part of the story is John McCain at a Beverly Hills soiree with Hollywood elite. Do you think he ate canapes? Drank white wine? If you’re John McCain, you’ve got to deny this as well; “No way did I have dinner in Beverly Hills. I was at a KFC in Canoga Park.”

Did he make any other statements at the party Gil? You know, about poor people clinging to their religion.
ArtVandolay
5/9/08
4:49 PM
Gotta really dig Arianna - of course she is telling the truth,why believe McCain?



She was married to a Bisexual republican, and knew it when she married him then took of with big $ settlement.



Plagiarized her book about Maria Callas - a true Greek hero, and settled out of court.



Ariana should work on getting her faux accent more authentic as well as her reputation.



Sorry Gil, this is a non story.





gsmart
5/9/08
4:57 PM
QUOTE(ArtVandolay @ May 9 2008, 04:49 PM) [snapback]387579[/snapback]
Sorry Gil, this is a non story.





Au contraire (see? French! Elitist!). Check out McCain's Freudian slip on O'Reilly last night:



O'REILLY: Did you vote for President Bush?



MCCAIN: Of course not. I campaigned all over this country for him.

ArtVandolay
5/9/08
5:15 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 9 2008, 04:57 PM) [snapback]387581[/snapback]




Au contraire (see? French! Elitist!). Check out McCain's Freudian slip on O'Reilly last night:



O'REILLY: Did you vote for President Bush?



MCCAIN: Of course not. I campaigned all over this country for him.





Merci, monsieur!





But this sure looked to me like McCain's sense of humor. I am sure he has one, don't you think? Or is just Hip and Suave Obama who gets the laughs?

Scherzophrenic
5/10/08
12:41 PM
Who cares? Who cares what people say on their blogs, and really, who cares what O'Reilly thinks? (except O'Reilly) I'm trying to care about the upcoming election, and my empathy glands are broken. I can't muster enough care to care that I no longer care. Really. My belief is that regardless of who wins, the other side will behave as if the world is over, and I will go and set up a Kool-Aid stand in my front yard and make a killing. So to speak.
Bigby_M
5/10/08
12:58 PM
Poor John boy. Having not voted for Bush twice should be a badge of honor and sign of prescience, but McCain has to pretend he likes and repsects Bush.

What a horrible position to be in. laugh.gif





Somebody cry me a river for Johnny.
bigstew
5/11/08
12:58 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ May 9 2008, 02:45 PM) [snapback]387533[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.
Teh? Teh? OK gil, we get it. Your internet cool. Your trying to get more mileage out of teh than you did with gay marriage.

What a tard.



I think its hilarious that all you party tools are so against mccain. Years ago he was your maverick, who voted against bush more than he voted with him. My how times have changed.
jetscott
5/11/08
1:15 AM
QUOTE(bigstew @ May 11 2008, 12:58 AM) [snapback]387956[/snapback]
Teh? Teh? OK gil, we get it. Your internet cool. Your trying to get more mileage out of teh than you did with gay marriage.

What a tard.



I think its hilarious that all you party tools are so against mccain. Years ago he was your maverick, who voted against bush more than he voted with him. My how times have changed.
what is teh? i see it here all the time
gsmart
5/11/08
1:26 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 01:15 AM) [snapback]387962[/snapback]
what is teh? i see it here all the time


From Wikipedia:

In English, teh can be used as an intensifier for the superlative form of adjectives; compare "that is best" and "that is the best". Teh has a similar use as an intensifier for unmodified adjectives, generally marking a sarcastic tone. For example, "that is teh lame" translates as "that is the lamest".

And anytime we talk about Bush, it is indeed the lamest.

QUOTE(bigstew @ May 11 2008, 12:58 AM) [snapback]387956[/snapback]

I think its hilarious that all you party tools are so against mccain. Years ago he was your maverick, who voted against bush more than he voted with him. My how times have changed.


See stew, your problem is that if McCain is serious about this - and he might be - it would specifically appeal to the likes of me. And show that consevative disloyalty to which most right-wingers can't abide.

If McCain actually was a maverick it would benefit him in the general election. He can't do it, of course - he'd be disowned by the 25 percenters. But it would do him a whole bit of good with independents - and so in that respect, I can't help but wonder if this is intentional. He can claim it a mistake, but it's picked up on the radar - and circulated. All part of the game.

If McCain wants to win in November he specifically has to appeal to - probably disaffected Hillary voters. Indeed - consider a McCain-Hillary ticket. The ultimate "unity ticket," don't you think?
jetscott
5/11/08
1:29 AM
learn something everyday. Keep up the column, I love it!
8220GRUMPY
5/11/08
1:41 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 11 2008, 01:26 AM) [snapback]387964[/snapback]


From Wikipedia:

In English, teh can be used as an intensifier for the superlative form of adjectives; compare "that is best" and "that is the best". Teh has a similar use as an intensifier for unmodified adjectives, generally marking a sarcastic tone. For example, "that is teh lame" translates as "that is the lamest".

And anytime we talk about Bush, it is indeed the lamest.



See stew, your problem is that if McCain is serious about this - and he might be - it would specifically appeal to the likes of me. And show that consevative disloyalty to which most right-wingers can't abide.

If McCain actually was a maverick it would benefit him in the general election. He can't do it, of course - he'd be disowned by the 25 percenters. But it would do him a whole bit of good with independents - and so in that respect, I can't help but wonder if this is intentional. He can claim it a mistake, but it's picked up on the radar - and circulated. All part of the game.

If McCain wants to win in November he specifically has to appeal to - probably disaffected Hillary voters. Indeed - consider a McCain-Hillary ticket. The ultimate "unity ticket," don't you think?






Or a John McCain - Condoleezza Rice ticket

jetscott
5/11/08
1:44 AM
QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 01:41 AM) [snapback]387966[/snapback]






Or a John McCain - Condoleezza Rice ticket

you don't know what "teh" means either. They didn't teach us that in school
8220GRUMPY
5/11/08
1:59 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 01:44 AM) [snapback]387967[/snapback]
you don't know what "teh" means either. They didn't teach us that in school




Must have been taught in them yupper schools laugh.gif

jetscott
5/11/08
2:01 AM
QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 01:59 AM) [snapback]387969[/snapback]




Must have been taught in them yupper schools laugh.gif

i guess. Getting old when words are invented you never heard of
gsmart
5/11/08
2:09 AM
QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 01:41 AM) [snapback]387966[/snapback]






Or a John McCain - Condoleezza Rice ticket



That's not a bad call but Rice doesn't have the centrist bona fides. She's been with the Bush administration all these years.

McCain, if he's going to win, has to break with Bush - and pretty clearly. As I said, the base won't allow it. And so McCain's trapped - if he moves left, he loses the base.

If he moves right, he loses the election.
jetscott
5/11/08
2:13 AM
as much as I hope it doesn't happen. I think McCain wins. The american public elected Bush not once, but twice. I have no faith in the intellect of the masses. More of the same. That's what I see coming
gsmart
5/11/08
2:14 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 02:13 AM) [snapback]387972[/snapback]
More of the same. That's what I see coming


But I think there's a palpable sense that more of the same means disaster. Which it will.
jetscott
5/11/08
2:17 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 11 2008, 02:14 AM) [snapback]387973[/snapback]


But I think there's a palpable sense that more of the same means disaster. Which it will.
I agree 100% but try convincing others of that. Oh yeah you have, on a weekly basis. People just don't get it.
gsmart
5/11/08
2:30 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 02:17 AM) [snapback]387974[/snapback]
I agree 100% but try convincing others of that. Oh yeah you have, on a weekly basis. People just don't get it.


No man, the price at the pump changes everything.

We don't talk about inflation to the extent we should. Good God, I bought a head of Romaine lettuce at Giant (elitist!) on the way home tonight - $4. You've got to be kidding me.

People feel this. The question is, how do you get past this - not to a place, economically, where people "feel" richer and thus spend more at Circuit City or wherever - but to where people are, actually, better off. However we might define that.

I'm reading a piece in the New York Times Magazine (elitist!) tonight on the upcoming entitlement crisis. You know, I'll buy we have an upcoming entitlement crisis. But the funniest part of the article was where the author asserted that Americans aren't saving enough. Of course they're not. They have to go spend money to be a Good American.

And so they can't save, and so we can't reform entitlements, and we can't really do anything. And like I said - I think people perceive this. The creeping sense of doom. That alone is enough to make you vote for change.
8220GRUMPY
5/11/08
2:47 AM
As much as I hate to say it, this election will come down to either gender or race. If McCain wants to win this race he should pick Rice or Colin Powell as his running mate. This would make it a much easier playing field for him.

In the general election it won't come down to the real issues facing this country. I have great respect for John McCain and what he has went through. But as a Republican I am not sure if I will vote for him or not. I don't care for Obama, Clinton would be right in the middle for me with the issues.

dragonrider
5/11/08
2:48 AM
My how times have changed???? My how McCain has changed he was against Bush before he was for Bush when he found out being for Bush would get him the nomination.

What would you call a McCain/Romney ticket?

A pair of Flip/Flops.

What do you call the house of representatives when the republicans are in the majority?

The Waffle House.

What do you call a White minister who makes antiamerican, racist hateful statements and sermons,

A key religous conservative republican supporter.



jetscott
5/11/08
2:52 AM
the only thing people say is, we're safe,we're safe. They really think the terrorists are going to kill us all and they support this war. It blows my mind.

QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 02:47 AM) [snapback]387977[/snapback]
As much as I hate to say it, this election will come down to either gender or race. If McCain wants to win this race he should pick Rice or Colin Powell as his running mate. This would make it a much easier playing field for him.

In the general election it won't come down to the real issues facing this country. I have great respect for John McCain and what he has went through. But as a Republican I am not sure if I will vote for him or not. I don't care for Obama, Clinton would be right in the middle for me with the issues.

I thought you told me you were a democrat? I'm appalled. You should be. You don't think like a puke ohmy.gif
8220GRUMPY
5/11/08
3:12 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 02:52 AM) [snapback]387979[/snapback]
the only thing people say is, we're safe,we're safe. They really think the terrorists are going to kill us all and they support this war. It blows my mind.

I thought you told me you were a democrat? I'm appalled. You should be. You don't think like a puke ohmy.gif




First off, I don't support this war and haven't from the start. I do however support the troops. I also thought in the last election it would be wrong to put someone else in office to deal with the mess Bush got us in too. Sorry... I just didn't feel Kerry was the man for the job.



Scott you have known me for years. I am my own person. I don't go by party line. If anything I am more Independent then Republican. I try and think for myself and not let others do the thinking for me. That is why I will vote for who I think will do the better job. I might not agree with them 100% on all of the issues, but I try my best to get it right!

jetscott
5/11/08
3:20 AM
QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 03:12 AM) [snapback]387980[/snapback]




First off, I don't support this war and haven't from the start. I do however support the troops. I also thought in the last election it would be wrong to put someone else in office to deal with the mess Bush got us in too. Sorry... I just didn't feel Kerry was the man for the job.



Scott you have known me for years. I am my own person. I don't go by party line. If anything I am more Independent then Republican. I try and think for myself and not let others do the thinking for me. That is why I will vote for who I think will do the better job. I might not agree with them 100% on all of the issues, but I try my best to get it right!

well you think very clearly. I have never voted a straight ticket in my life and know that if there were no parties, people would vote very differently. They would also vote for who they think is the best. But there are too many people who just pull the "r" or "d" lever and then leave.

QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 02:47 AM) [snapback]387977[/snapback]
As much as I hate to say it, this election will come down to either gender or race. If McCain wants to win this race he should pick Rice or Colin Powell as his running mate. This would make it a much easier playing field for him.

In the general election it won't come down to the real issues facing this country. I have great respect for John McCain and what he has went through. But as a Republican I am not sure if I will vote for him or not. I don't care for Obama, Clinton would be right in the middle for me with the issues.

you don't buy into that rev wright crap do you?
8220GRUMPY
5/11/08
3:40 AM
There are many Democrats that I like, same with Republicans. I vote for who I think will do the best job not just for me, but for my kids and grandkids as well.



I am against Universal Health Care. Our government can't get Medicare right and hasn't for years. Same goes for the Welfare system. Why start something else when they can't fix what they have already started. The health care sysytem we have now needs work I grant you that. But until we fix the problems with medicare and medicade then UHC is out of the question for me.



There are so many issues facing this country right now that I don't feel any one man or woman will be able to get them all right. Everyone looks and one person to fix everything, that will never happen no matter what party is in office.



Scott you know my situation with my health. I don't know how much longer that I have on this earth. But I worry about my kids and grandkids. They will be the ones to suffer the most with the situation we are in!



As far as the Rev.Wright issue, it is a hard call for me. Some things I feel are true,some not so true. Is that a main reason I wouldn't vote for Obama, NO!

As for the race issue, I could care less if he was green. I just don't feel he is ready. And maybe I am wrong, but I can't help how I feel!



jetscott
5/11/08
3:46 AM
same here, and obama doesn't want to force you to buy it. something needs done. it's getting to be unaffordable. sent you a pm
Bigby_M
5/11/08
6:27 AM
QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 02:47 AM) [snapback]387977[/snapback]
As much as I hate to say it, this election will come down to either gender or race. If McCain wants to win this race he should pick Rice or Colin Powell as his running mate. This would make it a much easier playing field for him.

In the general election it won't come down to the real issues facing this country. I have great respect for John McCain and what he has went through. But as a Republican I am not sure if I will vote for him or not. I don't care for Obama, Clinton would be right in the middle for me with the issues.



Grumpy have you paid any attention to what Rice has said and done in the last 7 years? The woman is a shill for Bush and has absolutely no cred. She is the proverbial pigs ear.

Good luck making a silk purse from that pig. laugh.gif



QUOTE(bigstew @ May 11 2008, 12:58 AM) [snapback]387956[/snapback]



I think its hilarious that all you party tools are so against mccain. Years ago he was your maverick, who voted against bush more than he voted with him. My how times have changed.


Stew, as a person of conviction you should be aghast at McCain for changing his convictions so often rather than laughing at those who point it out to you.

By all means shoot the messenger and keep the ol' head in the sand.

That will work for you, meanwhile, step back son while we roll up our sleeves and fix things around here. laugh.gif

8220GRUMPY
5/11/08
10:04 AM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 11 2008, 06:27 AM) [snapback]387986[/snapback]


Grumpy have you paid any attention to what Rice has said and done in the last 7 years? The woman is a shill for Bush and has absolutely no cred. She is the proverbial pigs ear.

Good luck making a silk purse from that pig. laugh.gif




Bigby I am not saying it is the correct choice. But as I said this election will come down to gender or race. It won't be about the issues so it really won't matter. It should be but it won't, and both parties will be to blame for that. It will be a whole new ball game here in a few months, let's sit back and see who strikes out and who hits the home run!

bigstew
5/11/08
9:55 PM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 11 2008, 06:27 AM) [snapback]387986[/snapback]


Grumpy have you paid any attention to what Rice has said and done in the last 7 years? The woman is a shill for Bush and has absolutely no cred. She is the proverbial pigs ear.

Good luck making a silk purse from that pig. laugh.gif





Stew, as a person of conviction you should be aghast at McCain for changing his convictions so often rather than laughing at those who point it out to you.

By all means shoot the messenger and keep the ol' head in the sand.

That will work for you, meanwhile, step back son while we roll up our sleeves and fix things around here. laugh.gif

Your a tool. I am voting for obama, but I will point out the obvious. I will never be a mccain supporter, but because he has an R beside his name, most of you liberals will now attack him for being the nominee. Party above all else. Forget that he opposed bush in most of the close call votes, and sided with dems in a screw the country I am against bush above all else attitude.

QUOTE(gsmart @ May 11 2008, 01:26 AM) [snapback]387964[/snapback]





See stew, your problem is that if McCain is serious about this - and he might be - it would specifically appeal to the likes of me. And show that consevative disloyalty to which most right-wingers can't abide.

I have no problem, you talking head. I am not for mccain, and I hope he does get boxed in.

Go quote sullivan, or blog about teh gay marriage.

dragonrider
5/11/08
10:28 PM
Are you always so rude Big Stew or did you wake up with a dirty diaper. Sheesh show a little politeness.
bigstew
5/12/08
7:43 AM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 11 2008, 10:28 PM) [snapback]388082[/snapback]
Are you always so rude Big Stew or did you wake up with a dirty diaper. Sheesh show a little politeness.
Are you always so sensitive? Gil's a big boy.
Artie See
5/12/08
7:58 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 02:13 AM) [snapback]387972[/snapback]
as much as I hope it doesn't happen. I think McCain wins. The american public elected Bush not once, but twice. I have no faith in the intellect of the masses. More of the same. That's what I see coming
QUOTE(8220GRUMPY @ May 11 2008, 02:47 AM) [snapback]387977[/snapback]
As much as I hate to say it, this election will come down to either gender or race. If McCain wants to win this race he should pick Rice or Colin Powell as his running mate. This would make it a much easier playing field for him.

In the general election it won't come down to the real issues facing this country.
My biggest fear is that the United States as a whole is not yet mature enough to elect either a woman or a black/mixed individual to be president, no matter what political party they might claim as their own.
Pericles
5/12/08
8:24 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 01:44 AM) [snapback]387967[/snapback]
you don't know what "teh" means either. They didn't teach us that in school


Here's a better definition of "teh" from the Urban Dictionary:

An expression used by idiots to helpfully identify themselves to other idiots.

Idiot 1: That's awesome.
Idiot 2: Wait, what?
Idiot 1: Uh, I mean, that's "TEH" awesome!
Idiot 2: Oh, thank god! For a second there I thought I wasn't talking to another idiot!


jetscott
5/12/08
8:50 AM
QUOTE(Artie See @ May 12 2008, 07:58 AM) [snapback]388145[/snapback]
My biggest fear is that the United States as a whole is not yet mature enough to elect either a woman or a black/mixed individual to be president, no matter what political party they might claim as their own.
I said the same thing 2 years ago and I really feel you are correct. Hope not though

QUOTE(Pericles @ May 12 2008, 08:24 AM) [snapback]388151[/snapback]


Here's a better definition of "teh" from the Urban Dictionary:

An expression used by idiots to helpfully identify themselves to other idiots.

Idiot 1: That's awesome.
Idiot 2: Wait, what?
Idiot 1: Uh, I mean, that's "TEH" awesome!
Idiot 2: Oh, thank god! For a second there I thought I wasn't talking to another idiot!


that makes more sense to me unsure.gif
bigstew
5/12/08
4:15 PM
QUOTE(Artie See @ May 12 2008, 07:58 AM) [snapback]388145[/snapback]
My biggest fear is that the United States as a whole is not yet mature enough to elect either a woman or a black/mixed individual to be president, no matter what political party they might claim as their own.
Are you saying that if Mccain wins, this is the case?
Bigby_M
5/12/08
4:36 PM
QUOTE(bigstew @ May 11 2008, 09:55 PM) [snapback]388078[/snapback]
I am voting for obama, I am against bush above all else.





Atta boy Stew. I am with ya all the way. laugh.gif

Artie See
5/12/08
4:43 PM
QUOTE(bigstew @ May 12 2008, 04:15 PM) [snapback]388348[/snapback]
Are you saying that if Mccain wins, this is the case?
No, because there is no way to know for certain what amount of what factors are involved.

If Obama or Hillary win in November, it proves that I'm wrong. And I would REALLY like to be wrong about that one. If McCain wins, it neither proves nor disproves my concerns.

Stew, you have seen the same kinds of prejudices that I have, especially right here on TalkBack. Some of what I have read here and elsewhere is downright frightening.
Kate
5/12/08
5:01 PM
QUOTE(jetscott @ May 11 2008, 02:13 AM) [snapback]387972[/snapback]
as much as I hope it doesn't happen. I think McCain wins. The american public elected Bush not once, but twice. I have no faith in the intellect of the masses. More of the same. That's what I see coming

I don't see "more of the same" with McCain. With McCain I see a candidate with more experience than Clinton and Obama. McCain is different than Bush and does not always agree with Bush.

Sunday afternoon I watched McCain speak before students at Wake Forest University in NC. He spoke passionately about upholding The Constitution especially when selecting future federal and Supreme Court justices. He acknowledged that he supported nominees of former President Clinton because those nominees knew and understood the importance of upholding The Constitution. There are issues being brought before The Supremes that should not go before them - McCain cited the California case of the Pledge of Allegiance. McCain is able to reach across the aisle to work with the Democrats and Independents.
bigstew
5/12/08
5:28 PM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 12 2008, 04:36 PM) [snapback]388356[/snapback]


Atta boy Stew. I am with ya all the way. laugh.gif

Bet you're a big Mikey Moore fan, aren't you?
Bigby_M
5/12/08
5:47 PM
QUOTE(bigstew @ May 12 2008, 05:28 PM) [snapback]388369[/snapback]
Bet you're a big Mikey Moore fan, aren't you?


Well it is a sad day when anyone with half a brain can't trust the President of the United States to be truthful.

You still trust Bush, don't you Stew.

God Bless. laugh.gif

bigstew
5/12/08
7:57 PM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 12 2008, 05:47 PM) [snapback]388377[/snapback]


Well it is a sad day when anyone with half a brain can't trust the President of the United States to be truthful.

You still trust Bush, don't you Stew.

God Bless. laugh.gif

That blew way over your head. And bless yerself. wink.gif
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