Who’s playing the race card now?

April 30th, 2008 10:24 am · 23 comments

Hm. I noted yesterday that Obama’s response to the Wright business provided, among other things, a chance for Obama to take on the stereotype, to divorce himself from the Sharpton-Jesse Jackson almost charicature. Others are noting the same thing:

Right now, at this very moment, we have an African-American candidate for president who commands overwhelming support within the black community, who has just explicitly and firmly denounced the radical and hateful nonsense that is all too often accepted and repeated without question within that selfsame black community. That’s a very good thing. Wright will undoubtedly dismiss Obama’s comments as, in Al Sharpton’s words, “grandstanding in front of white people,” but the truth is that Obama is speaking to black people, too — he’s speaking to everyone — and he is sending a very clear message: enough with the bulls**t. Haven’t conservatives been waiting for a black leader to do that for, like, forever?

Absolutely - but as Sullivan notes, it suggests that the right really isn’t interested in getting past the race card after all:

It reveals, I think, the deeper truth: the Republican right only wants a black Republican to do this. They are not as interested in getting beyond the racial question, in changing the hopes and dreams of black America, as they are in exploiting it for partisan advantage. Their response to the first major black candidate for president tackling the old racial politics? “We don’t believe him.” …

There’s no black Democrat who could ever pass muster. Because they’re Democrats.

But as I said before, I think this does play among rank and file conservatives, or some anyway, who dislike Sharpton intensely - but who could support a presidential candidate who happens to be black rather than the black presidential candidate.

That, I think, is the far right’s greatest fear; for the truth is that the racial politics of old benefitted them greatly; they can’t let it slip away. And regardless of how sincere Obama might be - they won’t.

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Pericles
5/1/08
9:37 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Apr 30 2008, 10:25 AM) [snapback]383955[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


But as I said before, I think this [i]does play among rank and file conservatives, or some anyway, who dislike Sharpton intensely - but who could support a presidential candidate who happens to be black rather than the black presidential candidate.

[/i]You mean an uncle Tom? Just come out and say it Gil.
gsmart
5/1/08
9:41 AM
QUOTE(Pericles @ May 1 2008, 09:37 AM) [snapback]384450[/snapback]


But as I said before, I think this [i]does play among rank and file conservatives, or some anyway, who dislike Sharpton intensely - but who could support a presidential candidate who happens to be black rather than the black presidential candidate.

[/i]You mean an uncle Tom? Just come out and say it Gil.




Not at all - but now I see where you're coming from, Pericles. A black politician, or a black Democrat, is necessarily an Uncle Tom, kowtowing to whites. But I'm sure a black Republican would be a completely different story.

Big Dog
5/1/08
9:46 AM
Why does everyone ignore that he is half white? Why does he only embrace that part of his culture when it is convenient? Can anyone answer that?
bigstew
5/1/08
9:57 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 1 2008, 09:41 AM) [snapback]384455[/snapback]




Not at all - but now I see where you're coming from, Pericles. A black politician, or a black Democrat, is necessarily an Uncle Tom, kowtowing to whites. But I'm sure a black Republican would be a completely different story.

So his question to you allows you to see where he is coming from. You're a tard.
littledutchboy
5/1/08
10:11 AM
QUOTE


Right now, at this very moment, we have an African-American candidate for president who commands overwhelming support within the black community, who has just explicitly and firmly denounced the radical and hateful nonsense that is all too often accepted and repeated without question within that selfsame black community. That’s a very good thing. Wright will undoubtedly dismiss Obama’s comments as, in Al Sharpton’s words, “grandstanding in front of white people,” but the truth is that Obama is speaking to black people, too — he’s speaking to everyone — and he is sending a very clear message: enough with the bulls**t. Haven’t conservatives been waiting for a black leader to do that for, like, forever?







OMG

What a load of crap, Oboomer is distancing himself from Wright only because he got caught in association with a load mouth hate mongering racist and not because he had some kind of Bill Cosby moment. Oboomer sold Wright down the river, period. To spin Obooms conversion for anything other then what it is…a lame attempt at self political preservation is self delusional. And like always good for a laugh.

That’s Gil

Shawn
5/1/08
10:18 AM
QUOTE(Big Dog @ May 1 2008, 09:46 AM) [snapback]384461[/snapback]
Why does everyone ignore that he is half white? Why does he only embrace that part of his culture when it is convenient? Can anyone answer that?




Can you site some examples of him embracing the half white part of his culture as a convenience? I'm not sure where you are coming from.



Later...Shawn

gsmart
5/1/08
10:23 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 1 2008, 10:11 AM) [snapback]384475[/snapback]


Oboomer sold Wright down the river, period




Read the rest of Brendan's Loy original post:



You can parse his words and question his timing, and you'll find plenty to criticize. But ultimately -- again, big picture, people -- he's doing the right thing, and it's a very important "right thing." Either his heart's in the right place, or, if you want to be all cynical about it, he's pretending that it is, and his overall message demands that he continue to do so, which is almost as good. Either way, the Barack Obama who spoke today is the natural ally of anyone who has ever despaired over the blame-whitey victimhood culture within the black community. No, he's not quite channeling Bill Cosby. He wouldn't be in this position if he were. No, he didn't throw Jeremiah Wright under the bus last fall. It's a delicate and difficult tightrope he's walking. He's not perfect. But no one is, and Obama is trying harder than anyone else has, on this stage, ever before. Be reasonable!



I'm not saying how we got here is entirely unimportant, but I think recognizing where we are now is vastly more important. And I think it would be a shame if Obama is now effectively crucified by both sides: the political right (and its newfound ally, Hillary Clinton), for not saying this sooner; and radical elements of the liberal-black community, for saying it at all. Rightly or wrongly, the takeaway lesson, if such a two-front assault destroys him, would be that a black politician cannot succeed on the national stage, at least until the baby boomers die off. Conservatives ought not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. (That's liberals' job!) Obama is doing the right thing here, and if he's a little late to the party, slap him on the wrist and then defend him against the coming Wright/Sharpton/etc. onslaught. And then beat him in November on security issues or whatever. But he's on the right side of this issue, and if he loses because of it, it will be a shame for everyone -- principled conservatives included.

Pericles
5/1/08
10:28 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 1 2008, 09:41 AM) [snapback]384455[/snapback]


Not at all - but now I see where you're coming from, Pericles. A black politician, or a black Democrat, is necessarily an Uncle Tom, kowtowing to whites. But I'm sure a black Republican would be a completely different story.



But as I said before, I think this [i]does play among rank and file conservatives, or some anyway, who dislike Sharpton intensely - but who could support a presidential candidate who happens to be black rather than the black presidential candidate.

[/i]That's what you were implying, not me Gil.

I'm a conservative and I support black politicians who are conservative. Unfortunately, these politicians are labled Uncle Toms by the black community, which is a monolithic Democrat voting block. Which is exactly what happened to Michael Steele of Maryland and to Clarence Thomas.

Your comment, "happens to be black," really means that they happen to be conservative and thus, Uncle Toms. I disagree.







QUOTE(gsmart @ May 1 2008, 09:41 AM) [snapback]384455[/snapback]


A black politician, or a black Democrat, is necessarily an Uncle Tom, kowtowing to whites.



Wrong.

Just the ones who as you say, "happen to be black." And not by my definition, but by yours and the black community.
littledutchboy
5/1/08
10:51 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ May 1 2008, 10:23 AM) [snapback]384484[/snapback]




Read the rest of Brendan's Loy original post:



You can parse his words and question his timing, and you'll find plenty to criticize. But ultimately -- again, big picture, people -- he's doing the right thing, and it's a very important "right thing." Either his heart's in the right place, or, if you want to be all cynical about it, he's pretending that it is, and his overall message demands that he continue to do so, which is almost as good. Either way, the Barack Obama who spoke today is the natural ally of anyone who has ever despaired over the blame-whitey victimhood culture within the black community. No, he's not quite channeling Bill Cosby. He wouldn't be in this position if he were. No, he didn't throw Jeremiah Wright under the bus last fall. It's a delicate and difficult tightrope he's walking. He's not perfect. But no one is, and Obama is trying harder than anyone else has, on this stage, ever before. Be reasonable!



I'm not saying how we got here is entirely unimportant, but I think recognizing where we are now is vastly more important. And I think it would be a shame if Obama is now effectively crucified by both sides: the political right (and its newfound ally, Hillary Clinton), for not saying this sooner; and radical elements of the liberal-black community, for saying it at all. Rightly or wrongly, the takeaway lesson, if such a two-front assault destroys him, would be that a black politician cannot succeed on the national stage, at least until the baby boomers die off. Conservatives ought not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. (That's liberals' job!) Obama is doing the right thing here, and if he's a little late to the party, slap him on the wrist and then defend him against the coming Wright/Sharpton/etc. onslaught. And then beat him in November on security issues or whatever. But he's on the right side of this issue, and if he loses because of it, it will be a shame for everyone -- principled conservatives included.





If Boomer is being crucified, ( I wouldn’t call it crucified ) it’s by a broad spectrum of people. Who actually thinks Boomers long term and personal association with Wright is a plus? Only the hopelessly infatuated few.



Boomers association with Wright is unexplainable; to continually try to explain it, or spin it away is pathetic.

Got some news for you, Boomers problems are self-inflicted, no one made this happen, it happened because Boomer has a long term personal, (and spiritual ) association with a load mouth, hate mongering racist.





Big Dog
5/1/08
10:53 AM
QUOTE(Shawn @ May 1 2008, 10:18 AM) [snapback]384482[/snapback]




Can you site some examples of him embracing the half white part of his culture as a convenience? I'm not sure where you are coming from.



Later...Shawn



Reference his Philadelphia speech. Also reference most every article ever written that refers to him as an African American, which he clearly isn't.

Bigby_M
5/1/08
10:58 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 1 2008, 10:11 AM) [snapback]384475[/snapback]






OMG

What a load of crap, Oboomer is distancing himself from Wright only because he got caught in association with a load mouth hate mongering racist and not because he had some kind of Bill Cosby moment. Oboomer sold Wright down the river, period. To spin Obooms conversion for anything other then what it is…a lame attempt at self political preservation is self delusional. And like always good for a laugh.

That's Gil



How transparent. Yeah Obama sold Wright down the river, you say, as predicted, and if he did not distance himself you would have shouted from your high horse that Obama is a racist by association. Thank God most Americans are not like you LD Boy, boy being the operative word. laugh.gif

Shawn
5/1/08
10:59 AM
QUOTE(Big Dog @ May 1 2008, 10:53 AM) [snapback]384517[/snapback]

Reference his Philadelphia speech. Also reference most every article ever written that refers to him as an African American, which he clearly isn't.




I thought you were saying that he calls himself "white" when it serves a specific purpose. What is wrong with him classifying himself as or identifying with African Americans? Should we break down the ethnic make-up of every candidate? Its a good think I'm not running. It would take up a whole sentence to describe my race. I've always considered myself to be "polish". My father actually has no polish at all, I get it from my mother's side. I'm actually part polish, part english, part german, and part Irish.



Later...Shawn



Bigby_M
5/1/08
11:02 AM
Of course you said you benefitted from the Bush policies, while 82% of Americans did not, so you have a vested interest in keeping the controversy going so you don't have to come out and offer solutions other than" Gee Wiz I did great under GW Bush, let's have four more years of same."

Someday you will have to offer up solutions instead of your typical divisive republican attacks.

I can't wait to hear some. laugh.gif
cyberscribbler
5/1/08
11:11 AM
QUOTE(Big Dog @ May 1 2008, 10:53 AM) [snapback]384517[/snapback]
most every article ever written that refers to him as an African American, which he clearly isn't.
When's the last time you heard someone called mulatto, quadroon & octaroon
The last time I can think of was in the movie The Cotton Club ,which was set in the 1930s & 40s. Are you suggesting the terms be resurrected.
blink.gif

Big Dog
5/1/08
11:30 AM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ May 1 2008, 11:11 AM) [snapback]384533[/snapback]
When's the last time you heard someone called mulatto, quadroon & octaroon
The last time I can think of was in the movie The Cotton Club ,which was set in the 1930s & 40s. Are you suggesting the terms be resurrected.
blink.gif



I am not suggesting anything. Clearly I am not communicating my point appropriately.



littledutchboy
5/1/08
11:46 AM
QUOTE(Bigby_M @ May 1 2008, 10:58 AM) [snapback]384522[/snapback]


How transparent. Yeah Obama sold Wright down the river, you say, as predicted, and if he did not distance himself you would have shouted from your high horse that Obama is a racist by association. Thank God most Americans are not like you LD Boy, boy being the operative word. laugh.gif





Well since Boomer has associated with Wright for 20+ years Boomer is guilty by association for supporting and relying on (spiritual adviser?) a load mouth hate mongering racist. Boomer can’t take back all of a sudden those 20+ years, at least not in the real political world. Boomer figured that it would be best politically to sell Wright down the river then alienate most of America (white and possibly black too).



Many people, myself included see an uncomfortable parallel between Wright’s mixture of politics and religion with radical Muslim religious so called teachers we have become all too familiar with lately.



Boomer’s association with Wright has brought up a lot of unanswered questions about who Boomer is and what he really believes, and shows that he will do what he has to do to get elected, not exactly the “2nd coming” many people had hoped for. blink.gif









dragonrider
5/1/08
11:55 AM
So Lil Dutch Boob, you damn Obama for being a member of his church, you damn him for condeming Wright, you condemn him for being too black, you condemn him for being Uncle Tom or an Oreo I need some clarity.

Bye the Bye its loud not load.

Scubabike420
5/1/08
1:07 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 1 2008, 11:55 AM) [snapback]384577[/snapback]
So Lil Dutch Boob, you damn Obama for being a member of his church, you damn him for condeming Wright, you condemn him for being too black, you condemn him for being Uncle Tom or an Oreo I need some clarity.

Bye the Bye its loud not load.



The problem with Obama is that he is all of those things at once. Will the real Obama please stand up. I would gladly support a black candidate such as Obama if I truly felt he valued personal responsibility. Someone who used social programs as a springboard to being a positive contributor to society. His association with Wright seems to indicate that he also has a leg in the "I'm owed a living" camp too.

This flip flop on principles is nothing new in politics, but the problem is that Obama has billed himself as not the typical politician. Much of his support comes from this image. Without that going for him Clinton becomes a much more attractive Democratic nominee.
Shawn
5/1/08
1:16 PM
QUOTE(Scubabike420 @ May 1 2008, 01:07 PM) [snapback]384624[/snapback]


The problem with Obama is that he is all of those things at once. Will the real Obama please stand up. I would gladly support a black candidate such as Obama if I truly felt he valued personal responsibility. Someone who used social programs as a springboard to being a positive contributor to society. His association with Wright seems to indicate that he also has a leg in the "I'm owed a living" camp too.

This flip flop on principles is nothing new in politics, but the problem is that Obama has billed himself as not the typical politician. Much of his support comes from this image. Without that going for him Clinton becomes a much more attractive Democratic nominee.




What exactly has he done to indicate to you that he does not value personal responsibility? What specifically about his "association" with Wright indicates he as a leg in the "I'm owed a living" camp, whatever that means? Which policy stances to you specifically disagree with in regards to Obama?



Later...Shawn



littledutchboy
5/1/08
1:42 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ May 1 2008, 11:55 AM) [snapback]384577[/snapback]
So Lil Dutch Boob, you damn Obama for being a member of his church, you damn him for condeming Wright, you condemn him for being too black, you condemn him for being Uncle Tom or an Oreo I need some clarity.

Bye the Bye its loud not load.





No I condemn boomer for his long term association with Wright. This is Boomer’s own quick sand, the more he tries to free himself the more he sinks lower.



It’s his own “catch 22” Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Just calling it the way I see it and it appears the way a lot of people see it. wink.gif



Bigby_M
5/1/08
2:31 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 1 2008, 11:46 AM) [snapback]384569[/snapback]



Many people, myself included see an uncomfortable parallel between Wright's mixture of politics and religion with radical Muslim religious so called teachers we have become all too familiar with lately.



So now you are implying that he is a terrorists.

Or kinda like one?

And Ed Rendell got pilloried for saying there are people like you in Pa. laugh.gif



QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 1 2008, 01:42 PM) [snapback]384636[/snapback]



It's his own "catch 22" Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Just calling it the way I see it and it appears the way a lot of people see it. wink.gif



But you are the one damning him if he does and damning him if he doesn't.

Scubabike420
5/1/08
3:22 PM
QUOTE(Shawn @ May 1 2008, 01:16 PM) [snapback]384629[/snapback]




What exactly has he done to indicate to you that he does not value personal responsibility? What specifically about his "association" with Wright indicates he as a leg in the "I'm owed a living" camp, whatever that means? Which policy stances to you specifically disagree with in regards to Obama?



Later...Shawn





Rev. Wright helps to perpetuate racism in this country by framing all issues as plots against blacks.
QUOTE
In one 2003 sermon, commenting on the treatment of African-Americans in the United States, Wright says "the government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strikes law and then wants us to sing 'God bless America,' No, no, no, not 'God bless America,' God damn America -- that's in the Bible, you're killing innocent people, God damn America for treating us citizens as less than human."


Sounds to me like Wright is implying that criminals should not be held responsible for their actions. That the more human thing to do is not to put criminals in prison. That criminals have no choice but to commit crime. That isn't personal responsibility. I question Obama's own morals since he has maintained a 20 year association with Wright. This is the person Obama turns to for moral guidence?

I don't agree with:
Increases in hate crime laws - A crime is a crime
Ending Racial Profiling by Federal Agents - It works
His Health Care Plan - Health care costs will continue to rise as long as the root cause in not addressed, The FDA.
Increase security at chemical plants and public water works - continue to spread the fear.


Most importantly he does not address any real issues. He will continue to expand government as a way to address problems rather than realizing less government is really the solution.

dragonrider
5/1/08
4:02 PM
QUOTE(Scubabike420 @ May 1 2008, 03:22 PM) [snapback]384690[/snapback]


Rev. Wright helps to perpetuate racism in this country by framing all issues as plots against blacks.


Sounds to me like Wright is implying that criminals should not be held responsible for their actions. That the more human thing to do is not to put criminals in prison. That criminals have no choice but to commit crime. That isn't personal responsibility. I question Obama's own morals since he has maintained a 20 year association with Wright. This is the person Obama turns to for moral guidence?

I don't agree with:
Increases in hate crime laws - A crime is a crime
Ending Racial Profiling by Federal Agents - It works
His Health Care Plan - Health care costs will continue to rise as long as the root cause in not addressed, The FDA.
Increase security at chemical plants and public water works - continue to spread the fear.


Most importantly he does not address any real issues. He will continue to expand government as a way to address problems rather than realizing less government is really the solution.

Hate crime laws: so profiling works for law enforcement but not for criminals



Profiling: One only needs look at drug enforcement where both blacks and whites use some drugs equally but blacks are targeted for enforcement to know profiling doesn't work, Driving while black is another prime example of where profiling is harassment.



FDA the weakened FDA is now allowing deliberately contaminated Heparin to kill people



Increase security at target facilities better to let another attack happen so we have an excuse to attack Iran

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