Sex, from the party of ideas

April 24th, 2008 11:19 am · 38 comments

We do know the GOP likes to claim it’s the “party of ideas.” Too bad they wage war on actual thought.

In today’s installment, we see yet another story about how abstinence only education doesn’t work, hasn’t cut the number of teen pregnancies or STDs or even the age when sexual activity begins:

“Vast sums of federal monies continue to be directed toward these programs. And, in fact, there is evidence to suggest that some of these programs are even harmful and have negative consequences by not providing adequate information for those teens who do become sexually active,” Dr. Margaret Blythe of the American Academy of Pediatrics told the committee.

These programs, backed by many social conservatives who oppose the teaching of contraception methods to teenagers in schools, have received about $1.3 billion in federal funds since the late 1990s. …

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Experts from the American Public Health Association and U.S. Institute of Medicine testified that scientific studies have not found that abstinence-only teaching works to cut pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases or the age when sexual activity begins.

The American Psychological Association and American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists also issued statements to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform criticizing the abstinence-only programs.

Comprehensive sex education programs should emphasize abstinence as the best way for a teenager to avoid pregnancy or a sexually transmitted disease (STD), Blythe said.

“Those adolescents who choose to abstain from sexual intercourse should obviously be encouraged and supported in their decisions by their families, peers and communities. But abstinence should not be the only strategy that is discussed,” Blythe said.

And so here we have a person talking sense. Abstinence should be taught, but it cannot be the only thing taught, because this is tantamount to flushing your tax dollars down the toilet.

Like I said, sensible. Unless you’re Republican:

Rep. John Duncan, a Tennessee Republican, said that it seems “rather elitist” that people with academic degrees in health think they know better than parents what type of sex education is appropriate. “I don’t think it’s something we should abandon,” he said of abstinence-only funding.

I tell you what - this is my favorite quote of the week, and might be my favorite quote of the year.

It’s elitist to think. Those people who have studied this and done surveys and crunched the numbers - bunch of snobs. Far better to base government policy and spend tax dollars on the gut feelings of moms and dads who are terrified little Johnny or Jenny might be getting it on, and want the big government to put a stop to it even though their preferred method of doing so has been proven ineffective.

But, what is this “proof” of which you speak? Surely the whole idea of “proof” itself is elitist.

There’s always been a strain of anti-intellectualism inherent in the conservative movement, but I like this emerging meme of thought as elitist. Instinctual animals, conservatives are. Which maybe explains why conserative Johnny and Jennie are ignoring the abstinence bit in the first place.

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mam0412
4/24/08
1:09 PM
So, it's elite to be educated? Hmmm, Republicans always putting down the elite. Gosh, no wonder they hate the cirriculum at public schools. They actually teach something and it might make their kids elite! Can't have that now can we? So, we need to teach them abstinence only so they don't fully learn sex education. Well, now it all makes sense. We must have programs in public schools that don't teach anything because we don't want our kids to be elite. And they'd prefer little Jennie to get pregnant rather than be elite! Yep, makes lots and lots of sense. I guess I must be elite!
grieker
4/24/08
1:25 PM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ Apr 24 2008, 01:09 PM) [snapback]381753[/snapback]
So, it's elite to be educated? Hmmm, Republicans always putting down the elite. Gosh, no wonder they hate the cirriculum at public schools. They actually teach something and it might make their kids elite! Can't have that now can we? So, we need to teach them abstinence only so they don't fully learn sex education. Well, now it all makes sense. We must have programs in public schools that don't teach anything because we don't want our kids to be elite. And they'd prefer little Jennie to get pregnant rather than be elite! Yep, makes lots and lots of sense. I guess I must be elite!


Just the facts mam. Where did you get elite from that article? Remeber it was Hillary that called Barack elitist and there is a difference between being elite and thinking elitist.

Lysol54
4/24/08
1:33 PM
QUOTE(grieker @ Apr 24 2008, 01:25 PM) [snapback]381771[/snapback]


Just the facts mam. Where did you get elite from that article? Remeber it was Hillary that called Barack elitist and there is a difference between being elite and thinking elitist.





5th paragraph, 2nd word. Man grieker you really have trouble reading don't you? Next time read first, write second.

LicenseForMayhem
4/24/08
1:55 PM
Public schools have to be for everybody and have to give objective information to benefit everyone. I don't care if my children have a comprehensive sex education class at school--chances are they will need the information at some time in their lives. My role, as a parent who would prefer my kids to practice abstinence, is to teach that as a value at home.

Oh, yeah...and presenting your teens/almost teens with a baby sibling and having them participate in its care seems to go a long way toward reinforcing the lesson of not creating a baby before you're ready to deal with one, if you're up for that kind of thing... smile.gif
dee
4/24/08
2:15 PM
QUOTE(LicenseForMayhem @ Apr 24 2008, 01:55 PM) [snapback]381797[/snapback]


Oh, yeah...and presenting your teens/almost teens with a baby sibling and having them participate in its care seems to go a long way toward reinforcing the lesson of not creating a baby before you're ready to deal with one, if you're up for that kind of thing... smile.gif




OK I have to share a personal story here. When my son was six months old, I volunteered with a program at a local hospital where young teen girls from Lancaster were given a baby for a day and were told to take care of the child. I thought long and hard about it because I envisioned some bad !profanity! teenager dropping my precious son on his head but I was allowed to be there and the instructor was a good friend of mine. I thought, "ha ha, I'll show you what its like to be a Mom, you'll learn a GOOD lesson". I pictured my son throwing a temper tantrum when getting his diaper changed, puking after being fed etc. No, my little hellraiser who never let me get a minute's rest sat with this girl for SIX hours and never even whimpered. He smiled at her when she changed his diaper, happily ate his food, didn't poop all day. Napped when she rocked him for two minutes. I think it was a conspiracy.

Yeah, I helped that program a lot. The second we left the young girl, my son threw a hissy fit. Honestly, she was a sweet girl who simply had no role models in her life to tell her not to get pregnant so young and before she has a permanent partner to help her and I think she got the message anyhow. I still laugh when I think about that day though. I wish I knew where she is now, three years later. I hope she is bored in history class today rather than staying at home with her baby.
littledutchboy
4/24/08
2:17 PM
I’ll bet abstinence works every time it’s practiced.



How is it intellectually possible to promote abstinence and the use of condoms at the same time? It’s kind of crazy for schools to promote any kind of behavior to people that because of their age are considered unable to make those kinds of behavioral decisions.

If parents want STD and pregnancy free kids they need to keep a tight control over them and if sociality would collectively condemn teen sex and our institutions that promote it we may make some headway.



Paying $1,000,000 for Brittany S. little sister’s baby story is an example of how far society has fallen. sad.gif

LicenseForMayhem
4/24/08
2:27 PM
QUOTE(dee @ Apr 24 2008, 02:15 PM) [snapback]381814[/snapback]




OK I have to share a personal story here. When my son was six months old, I volunteered with a program at a local hospital where young teen girls from Lancaster were given a baby for a day and were told to take care of the child. I thought long and hard about it because I envisioned some bad !profanity! teenager dropping my precious son on his head but I was allowed to be there and the instructor was a good friend of mine. I thought, "ha ha, I'll show you what its like to be a Mom, you'll learn a GOOD lesson". I pictured my son throwing a temper tantrum when getting his diaper changed, puking after being fed etc. No, my little hellraiser who never let me get a minute's rest sat with this girl for SIX hours and never even whimpered. He smiled at her when she changed his diaper, happily ate his food, didn't poop all day. Napped when she rocked him for two minutes. I think it was a conspiracy.

Yeah, I helped that program a lot. The second we left the young girl, my son threw a hissy fit. Honestly, she was a sweet girl who simply had no role models in her life to tell her not to get pregnant so young and before she has a permanent partner to help her and I think she got the message anyhow. I still laugh when I think about that day though. I wish I knew where she is now, three years later. I hope she is bored in history class today rather than staying at home with her baby.


Cute story. Yeah, it does take longer than a few hours to get the full sense of what a baby is like. Sure, he's adorable when he's giggling at everything his brother and sister do and say to him--when he's crying in the night because he's hungry AND just soaked his pj's, crib, and blankie, not so much.
Lysol54
4/24/08
2:31 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Apr 24 2008, 02:17 PM) [snapback]381815[/snapback]
I'll bet abstinence works every time it's practiced.

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Yeah I'll bet too. But its unrealistic to think that everyone is going to stay pure. That just isn't the case. So rather than educate them about the choices they could make if they decide to, we'll just put our heads in the sand and hope for the best. I have no problem with preaching abstienece, but you need to show them the other side to, that way, if they decide to they use their heads and use some type of birth control. Abstince only programs don't work.
LicenseForMayhem
4/24/08
2:36 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Apr 24 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]381826[/snapback]




Yeah I'll bet too. But its unrealistic to think that everyone is going to stay pure. That just isn't the case. So rather than educate them about the choices they could make if they decide to, we'll just put our heads in the sand and hope for the best. I have no problem with preaching abstienece, but you need to show them the other side to, that way, if they decide to they use their heads and use some type of birth control.



Maybe I am just too dumb to live, but I don't get the connection that says learning about something has to mean you are going to do it. That equation is waay too simplistic, IMO.
Lysol54
4/24/08
2:38 PM
QUOTE(LicenseForMayhem @ Apr 24 2008, 02:36 PM) [snapback]381830[/snapback]


Maybe I am just too dumb to live, but I don't get the connection that says learning about something has to mean you are going to do it. That equation is waay too simplistic, IMO.




Yeah exactly. and i'm kind of suprised hearing that from you to be truthful. But thats rather refreshing to realize some people do think that way.

LicenseForMayhem
4/24/08
2:46 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Apr 24 2008, 02:38 PM) [snapback]381832[/snapback]




Yeah exactly. and i'm kind of suprised hearing that from you to be truthful. But thats rather refreshing to realize some people do think that way.



Why does that surprise you?
Alyssarah1
4/24/08
2:52 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Apr 24 2008, 02:38 PM) [snapback]381832[/snapback]




Yeah exactly. and i'm kind of suprised hearing that from you to be truthful. But thats rather refreshing to realize some people do think that way.



Brace yourself for another shock. I feel the same way. ohmy.gif

Lysol54
4/24/08
2:55 PM
QUOTE(LicenseForMayhem @ Apr 24 2008, 02:46 PM) [snapback]381838[/snapback]


Why does that surprise you?




Well with your religion and all, from all my experiances with people similar. Even talking about it got them all kinds of upset. That it just shouldn't be talked about, you shouldn't have sex till marriage, end of story. But like you said just because you teach them something doesn't mean they are going ot go out and do it. If anything it might make them think twice



QUOTE(Alyssarah1 @ Apr 24 2008, 02:52 PM) [snapback]381843[/snapback]


Brace yourself for another shock. I feel the same way. ohmy.gif





It doesn't surprise me you think that way. Sorry biggrin.gif
mam0412
4/24/08
2:59 PM
QUOTE(LicenseForMayhem @ Apr 24 2008, 02:36 PM) [snapback]381830[/snapback]


Maybe I am just too dumb to live, but I don't get the connection that says learning about something has to mean you are going to do it. That equation is waay too simplistic, IMO.


I'm with you on that License! I'm also with you on teaching abstinence at home. I had a public Lancaster School District education. We had sex ed classes. But I was just too afraid of what my parents would do if I got pregnant. THEY put the fear in me, not the school - and that's not the school's job anyway. And now that I'm grown up, I shouldn't have been afraid of what my parents would do, but more afraid of what they would say. They wouldn't have done anything to me, they just would have been majorly disappointed. And that would have been the absolute worst!

Pericles
4/24/08
3:38 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Apr 24 2008, 11:20 AM) [snapback]381683[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


"There’s always been a strain of anti-intellectualism inherent in the conservative movement, but I like this emerging meme of thought as elitist. Instinctual animals, conservatives are. Which maybe explains why conserative Johnny and Jennie are ignoring the abstinence bit in the first place."

Except that this brand of intellectualism infringes on the rights of parents to raise their children according to their personal moral code, not one imposed by the state.


mam0412
4/24/08
3:42 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Apr 24 2008, 03:38 PM) [snapback]381866[/snapback]


"There's always been a strain of anti-intellectualism inherent in the conservative movement, but I like this emerging meme of thought as elitist. Instinctual animals, conservatives are. Which maybe explains why conserative Johnny and Jennie are ignoring the abstinence bit in the first place."

Except that this brand of intellectualism infringes on the rights of parents to raise their children according to their personal moral code, not one imposed by the state.


How so, Pericles? Parents are not required to send their kids to public school. They are free to teach them how to get pregnant at home if they wish.

Pericles
4/24/08
3:53 PM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ Apr 24 2008, 03:42 PM) [snapback]381869[/snapback]


How so, Pericles? Parents are not required to send their kids to public school. They are free to teach them how to get pregnant at home if they wish.



Public schools are funded by the public. You likely see this as a public health issue. But many would go further and also see it as a moral or religious issue. This morality, that you probably object to, views out-of-wedlock pregnancies as immoral.

Of course you have no solutions to the the high rates of veneral disease and teen pregnacies among non conservative, minorites.
Lysol54
4/24/08
3:59 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Apr 24 2008, 03:53 PM) [snapback]381879[/snapback]


Public schools are funded by the public. You likely see this as a public health issue. But many would go further and also see it as a moral or religious issue. This morality, that you probably object to, views out-of-wedlock pregnancies as immoral.

Of course you have no solutions to the the high rates of veneral disease and teen pregnacies among non conservative, minorites.




Actually Pericles, teen pregnancies have been on the decline until i believe last year or two(I can't remember) when they started to go up again. I don't see anything in her posts that says shes against any type of morality. As far as what type of issue it is, its all of the above. But you have to do whats best for everyone as whole. I find it rather odd, a military man such as yourself has such trouble with that thought. That sometimes whats good for the group is not the thing that is best for every single individual. That by giving the kids sex ed classes that teach both abstanice and other methods of birth control your helping them to be able to make better choices, or at least more informed ones. In my mind teaching on or the other is a disservice to kids. Because you know as well as i do, not everyone is going to listen. At least give them the proper information.
mam0412
4/24/08
4:03 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Apr 24 2008, 03:53 PM) [snapback]381879[/snapback]


Public schools are funded by the public. You likely see this as a public health issue. But many would go further and also see it as a moral or religious issue. This morality, that you probably object to, views out-of-wedlock pregnancies as immoral.

Of course you have no solutions to the the high rates of veneral disease and teen pregnacies among non conservative, minorites.


Do you have stats that show it's only minorities and non-conservatives who have these problems? Let's not forget all the white conservatives that have been caught with their morals and pants down around their wide stance. For starters, as the article suggests, fully teaching sex ed and not abstinence-only is a good start. Did you read the article?
LicenseForMayhem
4/24/08
7:17 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Apr 24 2008, 02:55 PM) [snapback]381846[/snapback]




Well with your religion and all, from all my experiances with people similar. Even talking about it got them all kinds of upset. That it just shouldn't be talked about, you shouldn't have sex till marriage, end of story. But like you said just because you teach them something doesn't mean they are going ot go out and do it. If anything it might make them think twice


Oh, you just must not hang around enough of the right kind of us. smile.gif What you are describing, and I know what you mean, is getting to be kind of old school.
twinmom
4/24/08
7:23 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Apr 24 2008, 03:38 PM) [snapback]381866[/snapback]
Except that this brand of intellectualism infringes on the rights of parents to raise their children according to their personal moral code, not one imposed by the state.




Are parents allowed to opt their kid out of the classes?

Lysol54
4/24/08
7:38 PM
QUOTE(twinmom @ Apr 24 2008, 07:23 PM) [snapback]381916[/snapback]




Are parents allowed to opt their kid out of the classes?



they always were when i was in HS and that was about 10 years ago, i doubt that would have changed.


QUOTE(LicenseForMayhem @ Apr 24 2008, 07:17 PM) [snapback]381913[/snapback]


Oh, you just must not hang around enough of the right kind of us. smile.gif What you are describing, and I know what you mean, is getting to be kind of old school.


well yeah most of the ones i know are alittle up in years, i mean i know a few younger ones that think that way too, but that is rather refreshing to hear that about many of them though
lanzate
4/24/08
8:51 PM
QUOTE(LicenseForMayhem @ Apr 24 2008, 01:55 PM) [snapback]381797[/snapback]

Public schools have to be for everybody and have to give objective information to benefit everyone.



But that is the problem. They are not for everyone.
Scout
4/24/08
9:23 PM
The problem is trying to find a balance between the responsible parents who DO teach their kids at home, and the indifferent parents who let their kids run amok. You either offend responsible parents, or ignore the needs of the uncared for kids.

Another thing to note: It doesn't matter how much education a child gets, some of them will still make the wrong choices. I know a girl who got pregnant at 15, and 10 months after having that baby, had another one, so she could hang on to the boyfriend. This girl was highly active in her church, had gone through pregnancy prevention activities with scouts, had parents who were very involved in her life. Despite all that, she made bad choices.

Giving kids all the information won't make them go out and have sex, any more than only teaching abstinence will ensure that they won't have sex. In some situations, we are damned no matter what we do.

Lysol54
4/24/08
9:37 PM
QUOTE(Scout @ Apr 24 2008, 09:23 PM) [snapback]381926[/snapback]
The problem is trying to find a balance between the responsible parents who DO teach their kids at home, and the indifferent parents who let their kids run amok. You either offend responsible parents, or ignore the needs of the uncared for kids.

Another thing to note: It doesn't matter how much education a child gets, some of them will still make the wrong choices. I know a girl who got pregnant at 15, and 10 months after having that baby, had another one, so she could hang on to the boyfriend. This girl was highly active in her church, had gone through pregnancy prevention activities with scouts, had parents who were very involved in her life. Despite all that, she made bad choices.

Giving kids all the information won't make them go out and have sex, any more than only teaching abstinence will ensure that they won't have sex. In some situations, we are damned no matter what we do.





Good post Scout, you said it quite well in only 3 paragraphs

citydweller
4/24/08
11:19 PM
QUOTE(dee @ Apr 24 2008, 02:15 PM) [snapback]381814[/snapback]

Yeah, I helped that program a lot. The second we left the young girl, my son threw a hissy fit.


Murphy never sleeps wink.gif
Nativeson
4/24/08
11:54 PM
QUOTE
It’s elitist to think.


rolleyes.gif There is a great place from which to launch an attack like this:

QUOTE
"There's always been a strain of anti-intellectualism inherent in the conservative movement, but I like this emerging theme of thought as elitist.


Why? Because it makes conservatives look stupid? Here's the quote in context:

QUOTE


Rep. John Duncan, a Tennessee Republican, said that it seems “rather elitist” that people with academic degrees in health think they know better than parents what type of sex education is appropriate.



sad.gif Please tell me you were kidding about the "quote of the year thing"! blink.gif blink.gif



Now, generally speaking, who do we think is better at parenting children? Bureaucrats or parents? What's elitist is thinking you can take a quote out of context to reinforce the liberal idea that conservatives are uneducated and intellectually inferior and no one will notice. What do we need to do, fax in copies of our degrees and choke LNP's phones lines for two days? Nah, that's been done before and liberals still managed to hang on to their notions of who conservatives are. rolleyes.gif



With the stats telling us that 25% of teens have some form of VD this is a discussion to have. To kick it off by insulting conservatives is unnecessary. dry.gif



Moving on from the clumsy introduction of this topic: Statisticians contribute valuable information to the discussion. Statisticians contribute misleading information to the discussion. Parents should be the ones to sort through it and the schools should consider the views of the parents with respect to the instilling of moral values in their kids.



Great post, Scout! It's the downside of this really, really great thing we enjoy called free will. We get to make choices, our kids get to make choices and God wanted it this way knowing fully we would screw up at times. Go figure. Life is always interesting and each one must find their own way. biggrin.gif

Bigmaclender2
4/24/08
11:59 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Apr 24 2008, 02:17 PM) [snapback]381815[/snapback]
I'll bet abstinence works every time it's practiced.

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How is it intellectually possible to promote abstinence and the use of condoms at the same time? It's kind of crazy for schools to promote any kind of behavior to people that because of their age are considered unable to make those kinds of behavioral decisions.

If parents want STD and pregnancy free kids they need to keep a tight control over them and if sociality would collectively condemn teen sex and our institutions that promote it we may make some headway.



[size="3"]Paying $1,000,000 for Brittany S. little sister's baby story is an example of how far society has fallen. sad.gif






Do you have teenage kids? It is virtually impossible to keep that tight of a reign on them. If they want to do it-they are going to find a way to do it-TRUST ME!!!!

usedmeat
4/25/08
12:48 AM
Darn! Here I though the was a primer on how to have fun in a men's room without being caught!
LicenseForMayhem
4/25/08
8:39 AM
QUOTE(lanzate @ Apr 24 2008, 08:51 PM) [snapback]381921[/snapback]



But that is the problem. They are not for everyone.


Do you mean that they teach things that go against what you and your family believe? I will agree with you on that. It's a weird balancing act sometimes to send kids to a school knowing that what is taught is not necessarily what you believe; however, we discuss much and often at home. Quite frankly, we sometimes have issues with things taught at church, and we talk about those with our kids, too.

For now, we are OK with the way things are going for our kids in public school, but we do have in the back of our minds that there are other options. We think it's a good experience for them to know all kinds of people and learn about all kinds of things while practicing beliefs that don't necessarily agree with everything out there. Every family is different, though.
Milton
4/25/08
9:21 AM
Should schools continue to teach "just say no" drug education? We all know that doesn't work!
Bigmaclender2
4/25/08
9:29 AM
QUOTE(Milton @ Apr 25 2008, 09:21 AM) [snapback]382008[/snapback]
Should schools continue to teach "just say no" drug education? We all know that doesn't work!




I agree that it may not work as much as we would like it to but I do think that it's important to keep sending that message. If someone doesn't want their child learning certain things then they need to investigate other avenues. My older son has Asperger's Syndrome and he's not the type of kid that would ever participate in gym. He loathes any type of sport......period. He does get plenty of exercise as he takes really long brisk walks and enjoys bike riding as well. We home school him....you have to do what you feel is in the best interest of your own child. You also have to find the means to be able to do that as well-I know that, too.

mam0412
4/25/08
10:58 AM
QUOTE(Nativeson @ Apr 24 2008, 11:54 PM) [snapback]381938[/snapback]


Now, generally speaking, who do we think is better at parenting children? Bureaucrats or parents? What's elitist is thinking you can take a quote out of context to reinforce the liberal idea that conservatives are uneducated and intellectually inferior and no one will notice. What do we need to do, fax in copies of our degrees and choke LNP's phones lines for two days? Nah, that's been done before and liberals still managed to hang on to their notions of who conservatives are. rolleyes.gif



With the stats telling us that 25% of teens have some form of VD this is a discussion to have. To kick it off by insulting conservatives is unnecessary. dry.gif



Moving on from the clumsy introduction of this topic: Statisticians contribute valuable information to the discussion. Statisticians contribute misleading information to the discussion. Parents should be the ones to sort through it and the schools should consider the views of the parents with respect to the instilling of moral values in their kids.



Great post, Scout! It's the downside of this really, really great thing we enjoy called free will. We get to make choices, our kids get to make choices and God wanted it this way knowing fully we would screw up at times. Go figure. Life is always interesting and each one must find their own way. biggrin.gif



Are you saying you expect the schools to teach morals to kids? Public schools are for education - education pure and simple. It is the parents' job to put that education into some sort of moral reference. Seems like you think the schools and the parents should come to some agreement as to what exactly is moral. I disagree that morals should be on the school agenda.

Nativeson
4/26/08
10:10 PM
QUOTE(mam0412 @ Apr 25 2008, 10:58 AM) [snapback]382064[/snapback]


Are you saying you expect the schools to teach morals to kids? Public schools are for education - education pure and simple. It is the parents' job to put that education into some sort of moral reference. Seems like you think the schools and the parents should come to some agreement as to what exactly is moral. I disagree that morals should be on the school agenda.



Schools aren't "moral free" zones. The concept of right and wrong is there and parental standards should be reinforced. Not torn down or belittled as is the tendency when someone suggests abstainence from premarital sex as a standard. There was a day when far fewer than 25% of teens had STDs so the idea that it's not possible to go back there is absurd. It's just a crime that some of these hippie sexual freedom ideas will end up on the trash heap of history, right?

PedroHead
4/26/08
11:54 PM
We actually agree on something. WOW! Yeah, I had a pretty tight rein and a conservative upbringing and all the education you could ever want....and, yeah, I was very active from 16 on. Did my rents ever have a clue? Maybe, but not enough that they ever let on. Even if they had I would not have stopped "having me some fun". Come on guys and gals, as soon as a teen has some form of the experience they are going to continue to want more. How do you stop that? You can't. But you can teach how to do it without consequences.



QUOTE(Bigmaclender2 @ Apr 24 2008, 11:59 PM) [snapback]381940[/snapback]




Do you have teenage kids? It is virtually impossible to keep that tight of a reign on them. If they want to do it-they are going to find a way to do it-TRUST ME!!!!



dragonrider
4/27/08
4:32 PM
The repugnican party the party of simple ideas for complex problems that solve nothing but make repugnicans feel good that they are upholding morals.
frankomav47
4/27/08
4:49 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Apr 24 2008, 09:37 PM) [snapback]381928[/snapback]




Good post Scout, you said it quite well in only 3 paragraphs





Hey! No se burlando de mí!
dragonrider
4/27/08
5:13 PM
If just say no or abstinance only programs don't work then definately they should not be funded. Also, some of this is a veiled attack on gays since they can not be married this is to say that gays should never be allowed to have sex.

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