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I hope that Obama takes PA. We really need to drop this Bush / Clinton nonsense. Obama has the presence and articulation of a statesman (or statesperson if you like). Neither McCain or Hillary have that quality. We need a statesman now more than ever. We need someone who can talk with the leaders of other countries and forge positive relationships. If Hillary has these qualities they have not been displayed. McCain is another blunt short sentence kind of person. We have had 8 years with an inarticulate president and it has caused us great damage both abroad and at home. The divide between repblicans and democrats has never been larger and it will take time and patience to heal. Until, this healing can occur we will have zero movement on important issues like healthcare and immigration.

In other words, the quality you most desire is someone who can deliver a good speech.... and no one from Toastmasters is even in the race.

I think the words he used were Articulate Statesman. Being able to deliver a good speech comes along as a by product of those qualities, but in general it means much more.



Later...Shawn

• On February 15, 2005, Clinton was given the American Medical Women's Association's President's Vision & Voice Award, for being an advocate for women's health and related issues.[12]

• In May 2005, Clinton received an honorary doctorate from Agnes Scott College near Atlanta for being a "defender of human rights" and "a resolute defender of the rights of women and girls."[13]

• On July 30, 2005, Clinton was given the Reserve Officers Association's National President's Award.[14][15]

• In September 2005, Clinton initially accepted but later rejected honorary membership into Alpha Kappa Alpha due to its exclusive requirements which would prevent her from accepting honorary membership in other National Pan-Hellenic Council organizations.[16]

• On October 9, 2005, Clinton was inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame.[17]

• In April 2006, Clinton was honored with the Remembrance Award from the Northeastern New York Chapter of the Alzheimer's Association.[18]

• On June 14, 2006, Clinton received an Energy Leadership Award from the United States Energy Association's Energy Efficiency Forum, in recognition of her leadership on energy issues.[19]

• During 2007, Clinton was awarded an honorary doctorate in medicine by the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, for being "a strong advocate for increased investment in medical research" and for "raising awareness of the increased health problems linked to obesity, poor quality food and physical inactivity."[20]

there's ALL sorts of military helicopters coming in out of lancaster airport. Can this be related to the impending visit? or maybe training?

Whichever it is....they do look good.

Advance teams bringing equipment and doing safety checks?? When Bush came to Safe Harbor back in the beginning of his presidency, they had Secret Service at the Willow Valley Resort and the Dam for almost a week before he came. They had scouted the area around the damn about a month before his visit as well. Its rather amazing the work that goes on behind the scenes to pull this sort of thing off.

Where is he supposed to be on Monday?

You're right. That Hitler fellow was known for giving a helluva speech, too, you know.

so you consider that hitler fellow to be a statesman??????

that would explain a lot.LOL

I think that was an excellent example. There are a lot of good talkers........actions speak louder than words though........

A good statesmen goes far beyond making a good speech, Nixon was a great statesman for opening China, Bush Sr was a stateman, Kissinger was a stateman none of those people would ever head up a toastmaster group.