The tribal instinct

March 25th, 2008 10:02 am · 44 comments

Love-ly. Glenn Greenwald links to a just ducky post on a conservative blog which, beneath a wonderful Easter poem and picture of the crucified Christ, goes on to air some rather pungent thoughts about Barack Obama’s proposed national discussion on race:

On the other hand, I am sick to death of black people as a group. The truth. That is part of the conversation Obama is asking for, isn’t it?

…and it gets ugly, or rather uglier, from there.

In comments, though, one of the writers pens what might be the most succint definition of the modern conservative movement I’ve seen. He cites the movement’s “sense of threatened tribalism”; notes Greenwald:

There is no better phrase to describe the animating feature of the modern Limbaugh/Kristol/Fox News conservative faction than “threatened tribalism.” The belief that they are good and pure, yet subjected to unprecedented systematic unfairness and threatened by some lurking Evil Other against whom war must be waged (the Muslim, the Immigrant, the Terrorist, the Communist, the Liberal, the Welfare Queen) is the centerpiece of their ugly worldview.

And as one of Greenwald’s commenters notes, take any of your “thoughtful” movement screeds about Islam, replace the word “Muslim” with the N-word, and it reads pretty much like something out of KKK literature.

Replace “Muslim” with “communist” and you’ve got something from the John Birchers.

Replace “Muslim” with “Jews” and you’ve got something out of Nazi literature.

Replace “Muslim” with “liberals” and you’ve got something out of an Ann Coulter book, or a Sean Hannity broadcast.

“What matters,” notes Greenwald, ”is that there be some scary, malicious group about to harm them and America. The identity of the particular scary group at any given moment is really secondary.”

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Pericles
3/25/08
10:43 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Mar 25 2008, 10:05 AM) [snapback]370084[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


Since you love to pick and choose a single quote to make your points, here's a favorite quote from posters at the dailykos:

"Terror is nothing other than justice...; it is ... the general principle of democracy applied to our country's most urgent needs." M. Robespierre

I guess we can assume that the Left really does believe that we deserved 9/11 and that those terrorists were really just patriots.




dragonrider
3/25/08
10:48 AM
The revolution in these United States was based on such terrorist and insurgent attacks. remember the boston tea party

Pericles
3/25/08
10:56 AM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Mar 25 2008, 10:48 AM) [snapback]370118[/snapback]
The revolution in these United States was based on such terrorist and insurgent attacks. remember the boston tea party



Oh really? That's an interesting interpretation:

No difference between the murder of 3,000 innocent people on 9/11, and the American Revolution against the tyranny of King George.

Got it.
dragonrider
3/25/08
11:10 AM
Or as many muslims say the Global Tyranny of the United States

johnq
3/25/08
11:22 AM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Mar 25 2008, 11:10 AM) [snapback]370130[/snapback]
Or as many muslims say the Global Tyranny of the United States

And if they want to march in the streets, burn the flag and GWB in effigy, that's fine. But fly planes into buildings and kill us? Not so much.
Lysol54
3/25/08
11:24 AM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 10:56 AM) [snapback]370123[/snapback]


Oh really? That's an interesting interpretation:

No difference between the murder of 3,000 innocent people on 9/11, and the American Revolution against the tyranny of King George.

Got it.




Pericles go read up on your history bud. You seem to love to spout off a lot about things you seem to have little knowledge of. Its all a matter of perspective. Tyranny? Depends on what side you were on. Terror tactics, we used them quite a bit. Heck we were the ones that used to pick off officers at the start of a battle, that was a huge no-no at that time. Hit and run tactics, gurrellia warfare, etc were all used by the Americans at the time. Because they were smaller and a lot less well equipped to fight the worlds biggest army. We also had the Indians help spread all sorts of terror on the frontier, and the British did the same. Does any of this sort of thing sound familiar? Its all a matter of perspective.



You can't seem to see anything but what the Great Decider and his Neo-Con buddies tell you. Which is kind of a shame because you do come of as a rather intelligant guy.

dragonrider
3/25/08
11:40 AM
One mans terrorist is anothers liberator. Thats exactly what I meant before but said much better by the previous poster. Terror tactics are what are used when your enemy has you on numbers or strength. You don't go head on when your enemy can beat you head on. As far as attacking innocents case after case can be made for the death of innocents through the policies of US in countries like Panama, Iran, Columbia, Ecuador etc. When we support dictators who then oppress their people suprise we are held accontable by the people oppressed. As a minister recently said>: The Chickens then come home to roost.
johnq
3/25/08
11:55 AM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 10:43 AM) [snapback]370115[/snapback]


Since you love to pick and choose a single quote to make your points, here's a favorite quote from posters at the dailykos:

"Terror is nothing other than justice...; it is ... the general principle of democracy applied to our country's most urgent needs." M. Robespierre

I guess we can assume that the Left really does believe that we deserved 9/11 and that those terrorists were really just patriots.




Even if I were to agree with that last statement, that they were patriots, and we got what we deserved, that still leaves the more disturbing attitude of the left. They attacked us, but we should just sit back and take it, because they were justified.

Like it or not, lefties, it's an us against them world. Always has been, always will. It's not about whether or not everything we do is right and good. Internally, we should always work to do the right thing, but when someone attacks, sorry, but right or wrong, we go after them.

Kinda like my family. I'm not dumb enough to believe that my wife and son are always saints, but heaven help you if you go after one of them.

cyberscribbler
3/25/08
12:03 PM
QUOTE(johnq @ Mar 25 2008, 11:55 AM) [snapback]370149[/snapback]
when someone attacks, sorry, but right or wrong, we go after them.
The problem lies in defining who "them" is.

Going after their neighbor, because in your perception, they might one day attack you, will land you in jail.
johnq
3/25/08
12:12 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Mar 25 2008, 12:03 PM) [snapback]370151[/snapback]
The problem lies in defining who "them" is.

Going after their neighbor, because in your perception, they might one day attack you, will land you in jail.
You're right. Attack us all you want, we'll just take it so we don't upset anybody. What am I thinking?
dragonrider
3/25/08
12:28 PM
Ahhh but you forget Iraq never attacked us, the terrorist of 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. We had no legal or moral reason to attack Iraq.
cyberscribbler
3/25/08
12:57 PM
QUOTE(johnq @ Mar 25 2008, 12:12 PM) [snapback]370158[/snapback]
You're right. Attack us all you want, we'll just take it so we don't upset anybody.
Most would disagree with you

"Looking back, do you think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, or should the U.S. have stayed out?"
3/15-18/08

Right Thing
36%
Stayed Out

59%
Unsure
5%
Pericles
3/25/08
1:06 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 11:24 AM) [snapback]370133[/snapback]


Pericles go read up on your history bud. You seem to love to spout off a lot about things you seem to have little knowledge of. Its all a matter of perspective. Tyranny? Depends on what side you were on. Terror tactics, we used them quite a bit. Heck we were the ones that used to pick off officers at the start of a battle, that was a huge no-no at that time. Hit and run tactics, gurrellia warfare, etc were all used by the Americans at the time. Because they were smaller and a lot less well equipped to fight the worlds biggest army. We also had the Indians help spread all sorts of terror on the frontier, and the British did the same. Does any of this sort of thing sound familiar? Its all a matter of perspective.



How many women and children did George Washington intentionally murder?




QUOTE(dragonrider @ Mar 25 2008, 11:40 AM) [snapback]370141[/snapback]
As a minister recently said>: The Chickens then come home to roost.


No hiding it on your part.


QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Mar 25 2008, 12:03 PM) [snapback]370151[/snapback]
The problem lies in defining who "them" is.


Al Qaeda is them.

Now back to the quote, and the fact that many on the Left claim a moral equivalency between stateless Islamists murdering 3,000 innocent people and George Washington.
cyberscribbler
3/25/08
1:10 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 01:06 PM) [snapback]370176[/snapback]
Al Qaeda is them.
Al Qaeda and Iraq had no ties before the invasion.

So you're saying it's ok to break into your neighbors house, to save a burglar the trouble of doing it himself?
What kind of strange logic is this?

Lysol54
3/25/08
1:48 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 01:06 PM) [snapback]370176[/snapback]


How many women and children did George Washington intentionally murder?

Now back to the quote, and the fact that many on the Left claim a moral equivalency between stateless Islamists murdering 3,000 innocent people and George Washington.




Whats your point with that post? If you look back at that time period there were parts of the Army that were going around terrorizing/killing Tory sympathizers. Did George Washington himself kill any women and children, not that i know of. But good try at trying to compare two differant things.

Like dragon said, Al Quida and Iraq are not the same thing. Yuu sit there and say 9/11 this and 9/11 that, if you want to go after the country that was responsible for that we should have bombed Saudi Arabia back to the stone age. Oh wait, we can't do that, they are personal friends of the Bushes. Saddam Hussien not so much.

But anyway like i said you need to go back and read some history of that time period. Not what you learned in school, the actual history not just the glossed over version they tend to show.



QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 01:06 PM) [snapback]370176[/snapback]




Now back to the quote, and the fact that many on the Left claim a moral equivalency between stateless Islamists murdering 3,000 innocent people and George Washington.




And why are you just using George Washington?? We are talking about the tactics the army used. Not the man himself. They did use terror and guerilla tactics. Thats a fact bud. Its in the history books, its in their journals and letters. I know you Repubs hate to actually have to go by anything remotely historical/factual. You love that revisionist history. But that doesn't fly here.
johnq
3/25/08
1:52 PM
Recall the shooting that took place on East Ross St. three weeks ago? If anyone remembers, I was quite upset.

The shooting involved people who lived in the house next door to me, and another nearby. A man was arrested coming out out of the house next door to me for possessing a stolen gun. The house next door and another on Ross were searched. The gun was found on Ross, not next door, but the man who owned the gun was found next door.

It was determined that the residents next door were not involved directly. However, it was quite clear that these folks regularly consorted with criminals. We had known that for over a year. So did the police. Their continued

presence constitutes a danger to the neighborhood.

So, I and my neighbors could have done several things. Some of you would have us do nothing, after all, these people probably feel justified living the way they do. They have the right to live as they choose. They weren't involved, they had no weapons, we only thought they might have.

Instead, we pressured the police, the landlord, the mayor, the DA, and anyone else we could think of. The people next door are being evicted, and they are working on the other house on Ross as well. Threaten me and my family, and that's what you get.

Pericles
3/25/08
2:04 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Mar 25 2008, 01:10 PM) [snapback]370180[/snapback]
Al Qaeda and Iraq had no ties before the invasion.

So you're saying it's ok to break into your neighbors house, to save a burglar the trouble of doing it himself?
What kind of strange logic is this?



I'm not claiming a connection to Iraq and Al Qaeda, the post has nothing to do with that, and I don't believe there was a connection that justified a war on that basis.

What kind of strange leap of unrelated thoughts did it take to reach to that conclusion? smile.gif


QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 01:48 PM) [snapback]370192[/snapback]


And why are you just using George Washington?? We are talking about the tactics the army used. Not the man himself. They did use terror and guerilla tactics. Thats a fact bud. Its in the history books, its in their journals and letters. I know you Repubs hate to actually have to go by anything remotely historical/factual. You love that revisionist history. But that doesn't fly here.


I'll make easy so you can comprehend... your own reasoning:

Osama Bin Laden - Leader of Al Qaeda

George Washington - Leader of the Continental Army

According to the Left: Bin Laden and Washington ... both terrorists.

got it.
Lysol54
3/25/08
2:12 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 02:04 PM) [snapback]370199[/snapback]


I'm not claiming a connection to Iraq and Al Qaeda, the post has nothing to do with that, and I don't believe there was a connection that justified a war on that basis.


Must be nice to have your head so far up your rear-end you missed them trying to connect the two together to make the case for war. Whats it like living in a fantasy world? Can i visit sometime?
QUOTE

I'll make easy so you can comprehend... your own reasoning:

Osama Bin Laden - Leader of Al Qaeda

George Washington - Leader of the Continental Army

According to the Left: Bin Laden and Washington ... both terrorists.




Your the one infering everything about Washington, i was just saying they used some of the same tactics. No one on here even brought up his name till you started throwing it around saying we were talkinga bout him?? Now spin it however you want to. I guess you do watch way to much Fox News. Now all Lefties think George Washington was a terrorist??? So easy to just make blanket generalizations and not have to back any of it up. I thought Marines put stock in honestly and honor??

I'm sure the British back then thought that Washington was a horrible person, now terrorist didn't have the ring it does now, if it was even used at that time. But the tactics were the same. Like i said go read up on your history. Come on if you say your a former Marine they must have taught you something abou the history of the armed forces??
Pericles
3/25/08
2:23 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 02:12 PM) [snapback]370208[/snapback]

Come on if you say your a former Marine they must have taught you something abou the history of the armed forces??


The Marine Corps was formed on November 10, 1775 at Tun Tavern Philadelphia.


Lysol54
3/25/08
2:23 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 02:23 PM) [snapback]370213[/snapback]


The Marine Corps was formed on November 10, 1775 at Tun Tavern Philadelphia.






And that was all they taught ya??

Pericles
3/25/08
2:28 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 02:12 PM) [snapback]370208[/snapback]

I'm sure the British back then thought that Washington was a horrible person, now terrorist didn't have the ring it does now, if it was even used at that time. But the tactics were the same.


George Washington directed the Continental Army to murder 3,000 innocent civilians?

Any person with the slightest bit of knowledge of American history understands that the British inflicted far more terror upon the colonists than than the colonists did upon the torries or the British Army.
Lysol54
3/25/08
2:33 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 02:28 PM) [snapback]370216[/snapback]


George Washington directed the Continental Army to murder 3,000 innocent civilians?

Any person with the slightest bit of knowledge of American history understands that the British inflicted far more terror upon the colonists than than the colonists did upon the torries or the British Army.




Keep comparing apples to oranges bud. Whatever floats your boat. Ya can't have a conversation with someone that keeps changing the subject. Who on here said George Washington directed the continental Army to murder 3000 people? We were talking about Iraq. So whatever you say. You keep living in your fantasy world. Must be nice to be old and senile
dragonrider
3/25/08
2:54 PM
Since I was the original to make the post I will wade back in here. Originally I made the comparison of the Boston Tea Party was a terrorist act, becuase at the time we were not at war with England and we attack innocent people who were trading in eastern goods probably the Atlantic Pacific Tea Company or such Prolly not exact company but of the like. Anyway this was a specific example of a terrorist act often quoted in the history books involving non military folks attacking the property of a company based in england at a time when we were not yet at war I think that describes a terrorist act . During the revolutionary war also non military people (militia) attacked British troops aren't these the same type people we lock up in Gitmo. The Militia then is not the militia of today, Then it was any town folk who owned a gun was part of the militia. Any comparison to that authorizing us to attack Iraq is illogical based on the illogical assumption that Iraq attacked us or Iraq had anything to do with the terrorist that attacked us.
Pericles
3/25/08
3:01 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Mar 25 2008, 02:54 PM) [snapback]370226[/snapback]
Since I was the original to make the post I will wade back in here. Originally I made the comparison of the Boston Tea Party was a terrorist act, becuase at the time we were not at war with England and we attack innocent people who were trading in eastern goods probably the Atlantic Pacific Tea Company or such Prolly not exact company but of the like. Anyway this was a specific example of a terrorist act often quoted in the history books involving non military folks attacking the property of a company based in england at a time when we were not yet at war I think that describes a terrorist act .


How many people were killed during the Boston Tea Party?

"The crews of the tea ships were ordered below. No resistance was made. Some of the crew even helped unload the tea."

Yep, that's terroism, just like 9/11.
dragonrider
3/25/08
3:21 PM
Geee maybe if I comb the history books I can come up with that exact same comparison where we blew up two twin towers and killed exactly 3000 innocent people. I never said they were exactly the same only that they were both terrorists acts and they are both terrorist acts. You can't argue that so you used the debating manuever of absurdity and accuse your debater of saying something they did not.

QUOTE(johnq @ Mar 25 2008, 11:55 AM) [snapback]370149[/snapback]
Even if I were to agree with that last statement, that they were patriots, and we got what we deserved, that still leaves the more disturbing attitude of the left. They attacked us, but we should just sit back and take it, because they were justified.

Like it or not, lefties, it's an us against them world. Always has been, always will. It's not about whether or not everything we do is right and good. Internally, we should always work to do the right thing, but when someone attacks, sorry, but right or wrong, we go after them.

Kinda like my family. I'm not dumb enough to believe that my wife and son are always saints, but heaven help you if you go after one of them.





Now here is where you say that they attacked us so its ok that we attacked them. But Iraq never attacked us, Iraq was not supporting anyone who attacked us . Iraq was not talking to anyone who attacked us. So your analogy falls short.

Lysol54
3/25/08
3:26 PM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Mar 25 2008, 03:13 PM) [snapback]370235[/snapback]
Geee maybe if I comb the history books I can come up with that exact same comparison where we blew up two twin towers and killed exactly 3000 innocent people. I never said they were exactly the same only that they were both terrorists acts and they are both terrorist acts. You can't argue that so you used the debating manuever of absurdity and accuse your debater of saying something they did not.




He's obviously too simple minded to understand your statements dragon. I guess years and years of watching Fox news have just ate away at his brain. He's unable to think for himself, or to make a decent rebuttle.

Heres another little tidbit for ya Pericles. i mean since your not really up on any type of history



http://www.gaspee.org/BurningGaspee.html



Pericles
3/25/08
3:32 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 03:26 PM) [snapback]370241[/snapback]


Heres another little tidbit for ya Pericles. i mean since your not really up on any type of history

http://www.gaspee.org/BurningGaspee.html



Upon arrival in Providence, Captain Lindsey reported the event to John Brown, one of the most prominent and respected merchants in Rhode Island, who sent out a town crier inviting all interested parties to meet at Sabin's Tavern to plan the Gaspee's destruction. Under the leadership of Abraham Whipple, the small band of patriots rowed eight longboats with muffled oars to the stranded ship.
Lt. Dudingston and his crew were taken prisoner and removed to Pawtuxet Village.



Or was it Lieutentant Dudingson and his crew were taken prisoner and their heads were sliced off?



And should we change the word from patriot to terrorist?



Lysol54
3/25/08
3:36 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 03:32 PM) [snapback]370254[/snapback]


Upon arrival in Providence, Captain Lindsey reported the event to John Brown, one of the most prominent and respected merchants in Rhode Island, who sent out a town crier inviting all interested parties to meet at Sabin's Tavern to plan the Gaspee's destruction. Under the leadership of Abraham Whipple, the small band of patriots rowed eight longboats with muffled oars to the stranded ship.
Lt. Dudingston and his crew were taken prisoner and removed to Pawtuxet Village.



Or was it Lieutentant Dudingson and his crew were taken prisoner and their heads were sliced off?



And should we change the word from patriot to terrorist?







Like i said Pericles, and you can't seem to wrap your head around this point. It all depends on what side your on. But they did take the ship and destroy it, sure sounds like terrorism to me. USS Cole??? That was 200 years ago, they didn't go chopping peoples heads off and sending the video out on the internet. At least the Americans didn't, well the indians working with the Americans on the other hand, thats a differant story. What do you think the people in Englad were saying about it at the time??

But you keep comparing apples to oranges. One countries terrorists are another countries patriots. You have yet to even acknowledge that point.

Pericles
3/25/08
3:47 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 03:36 PM) [snapback]370255[/snapback]


Like i said Pericles, and you can't seem to wrap your head around this point. It all depends on what side your on.


OK. I got it. I'm on the American side!
Lysol54
3/25/08
3:53 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 03:47 PM) [snapback]370258[/snapback]


OK. I got it. I'm on the American side!


Ok then so we attack a country that has nothing to do with terrorsim or Al Queda? Since thats what your so concerned about, terrorism.

Pericles
3/25/08
4:00 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 03:53 PM) [snapback]370262[/snapback]


Ok then so we attack a country that has nothing to do with terrorsim or Al Queda? Since thats what your so concerned about, terrorism.



Did you even bother to read this thread?

One hour ago:

I'm not claiming a connection to Iraq and Al Qaeda, the post has nothing to do with that, and I don't believe there was a connection that justified a war on that basis.

What kind of strange leap of unrelated thoughts did it take to reach to that conclusion? smile.gif


Pericles
frankomav47
3/25/08
4:04 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 02:23 PM) [snapback]370214[/snapback]




And that was all they taught ya??





No, they also taught us to protect and fight for verbally abusive !profanity!holes like you !!!

lol_grrr.gif
Just once Lysol, I'd like to come on here and read a post by you that doesn't verbally rip into someone, trying to intimidate them from further posts. I really don't think you are capable of that.
tourman
3/25/08
4:06 PM
Contrary to what used to be referred to as "aiding and abetting the enemy" beofre PC took hold, Pericles, I see exactly the point you are attempting to make.

You are so busy being called names, being accused of being a Fox News Watcher(God forbid..you should get the "real" news on MSNBC, etc like the rest of the followers do ), and having your head up your rear, that the points you do make go unheeded!

The blind arrogance is unbelievable here! As long as trashing America is going on, they are out in full glory!

Well , like the comedian Ron White says" Ya just can't fix STUPID" ...

Thank you for your service as a U.S. Marine!
Pericles
3/25/08
4:19 PM
QUOTE(tourman @ Mar 25 2008, 04:06 PM) [snapback]370271[/snapback]


The blind arrogance is unbelievable here! As long as trashing America is going on, they are out in full glory!


Absolutely. There's seems to be some need by the Left to make the argument that we are no different than Al Qaeda, that the tenets and actions of radical Islam are no different than our own beliefs and actions.

It's absurd and downright wrong.




QUOTE(frankomav47 @ Mar 25 2008, 04:04 PM) [snapback]370270[/snapback]


Just once Lysol, I'd like to come on here and read a post by you that doesn't verbally rip into someone, trying to intimidate them from further posts. I really don't think you are capable of that.


His posts are nonsensical diatribe, but not very intimidating.
Beth
3/25/08
4:47 PM
QUOTE(frankomav47 @ Mar 25 2008, 04:04 PM) [snapback]370270[/snapback]

No, they also taught us to protect and fight for verbally abusive !profanity!holes like you !!!

lol_grrr.gif
Just once Lysol, I'd like to come on here and read a post by you that doesn't verbally rip into someone, trying to intimidate them from further posts. I really don't think you are capable of that.


I think he's off his meds again! wink.gif
Lysol, you used to have fun posts. Tongue in cheek nastiness, but lately you've been down right stenchie! skunk.gif What gives? Ya need a vakay? Trout fishing opens soon, hang in there!! ignore.gif
frankomav47
3/25/08
5:05 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 04:19 PM) [snapback]370273[/snapback]


Absolutely. There's seems to be some need by the Left to make the argument that we are no different than Al Qaeda, that the tenets and actions of radical Islam are no different than our own beliefs and actions.

It's absurd and downright wrong.






His posts are nonsensical diatribe, but not very intimidating.




That's why I used the word, wink.gif trying ..

Alyssarah1
3/25/08
5:35 PM
QUOTE(Beth @ Mar 25 2008, 04:47 PM) [snapback]370281[/snapback]


I think he's off his meds again! wink.gif
Lysol, you used to have fun posts. Tongue in cheek nastiness, but lately you've been down right stenchie! skunk.gif What gives? Ya need a vakay? Trout fishing opens soon, hang in there!! ignore.gif


He just needs someone to pick on, and I haven't been around today. laugh.gif wink.gif

justplainjoe
3/25/08
6:18 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Mar 25 2008, 03:01 PM) [snapback]370227[/snapback]


How many people were killed during the Boston Tea Party?

"The crews of the tea ships were ordered below. No resistance was made. Some of the crew even helped unload the tea."

Yep, that's terroism, just like 9/11.


a more honest comparison would be how we treated the native american. no one can claim that we were not terrorists other than those who learned their history from john wayne movies.

or how we treated the black man ,where his oppression was codified in law for 200 of the last 240 years more or less.

or our support of terrorists in central america during reagn's regime. yes dear old reagan who never went to church and followed the advice of an astrologer.

of course we could have dropped the atom bomb out at sea and the japanese would have surrendered in sheer terror but we chose to kill , twice.

but we are good and so that still doesn't explain why we allowed the monster of 9/11 to escape and went after someone who did not threaten us.
all we have are lies and excuses.
littledutchboy
3/25/08
7:33 PM
Conservatism is a strong message of self reliance in all its shapes and sizes; family, work etc. it’s also a strong medicine that many people don’t want to take. It’s so easy to be liberal and to hold liberal views; reliance on government, nothings my fault- victimization, so much easier to give things to people rather then ask people to rely on themselves. It’s a wonder there are any conservative politicians left. But yet liberalism has not completely over run America, although we creep closer and closer every day.



If liberalism so great why is ½ the county holding back? The answer is apparent; there is much more freedom realized through self reliance then there will ever be by giving oneself over to government.



I don’t need your money to be conservative, but you need my money to be liberal, because with out other peoples money liberalism would shrivel up and die. cool.gif

Lysol54
3/25/08
7:48 PM
QUOTE(frankomav47 @ Mar 25 2008, 04:04 PM) [snapback]370270[/snapback]




No, they also taught us to protect and fight for verbally abusive !profanity!holes like you !!!

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Just once Lysol, I'd like to come on here and read a post by you that doesn't verbally rip into someone, trying to intimidate them from further posts. I really don't think you are capable of that.




So they taught you to fight for people like me? Oh well thats nice, i mean since it is a free country and i do have freedom of speech.

And for once i'd like to see you come on here with an original thought, not just jumping on the bandwagon of which ever side seems to have the most supporters at that time. I'm not trying to intimidate anyone from further posts. This is just a forum there frank. Its for discussion, it gets heated on both sides. I know your new and all, but i have a lot of respect for Pericles and many other posters on here, there a few i could do without but thats life. Do we say somethings we shouldn't, sure i know i do. I don't know if others would say the same or not, but i'm just talking about me.
So keep it up with your temper tantrums, i thought for an older guy you'd be able to handle yourself alittle better, i guess not.

frankomav47
3/25/08
8:51 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Mar 25 2008, 07:48 PM) [snapback]370319[/snapback]




So they taught you to fight for people like me? Oh well thats nice, i mean since it is a free country and i do have freedom of speech.

And for once i'd like to see you come on here with an original thought, not just jumping on the bandwagon of which ever side seems to have the most supporters at that time. I'm not trying to intimidate anyone from further posts. This is just a forum there frank. Its for discussion, it gets heated on both sides. I know your new and all, but i have a lot of respect for Pericles and many other posters on here, there a few i could do without but thats life. Do we say somethings we shouldn't, sure i know i do. I don't know if others would say the same or not, but i'm just talking about me.
So keep it up with your temper tantrums, i thought for an older guy you'd be able to handle yourself alittle better, i guess not.





See, There ya go again Lysol, flappin' your gums about someone having temper tantrums when so far they've all been on your end. I've managed to stay calm while I write to you because I know you can't help yourself. You just have to have your big liberal mouth ripping into someone. You, my friend are the one that needs to control your temper. You don't see me talking to anyone else on here the way I talk to you. From what I see, it only gets heated on your side. And all it takes to do that is for someone to disagree with you. Then you go, WAH WAH !!!

You don't like me because I tell you things about yourself you don't want or like to hear. In other words, I'm staright up with you. Just for that alone, you should respect me. You don't have to like or respect anyone but if you don't, no one will like or respect you either.

I've been acused of being a bully on here and the person who made that statement, no longer thinks so. Because he spoke to me even temperedly one night and found out I wasn't so bad.

Try talking to me the respect I deserve for protecting your rights for 32 years, and

I'll extend that same courtesy to you. Just remember one thing. Everytime I see you rip into someone without good reason, I'm going to be right there in your face.

I may be new on here, but I'm not new at forums. I don't need instruction from some pantywaist liberal on the facts of life. Remember, just try to show some respect to those who disagree with you. There are no right or wrong answers on forums. Only opinions.



Thanks for taking time to read this and I hope it helps our relationship on here.



Sincerely

FM47

PS One more thing. You don't read all my posts, hell you don't read most of anyone's on here. If you did, you you'd see I have some of my own ideas on here. You remind me of my father (rest his soul). Only saw what he wanted to see and was as contemptable as the day was long.

Oh, and freedom of speech doesn't include verbal abuse. I wonder, if you were standing right next to me, if you would speak to me in the same manner. I sincerely doubt it.
groundpounder
3/25/08
11:47 PM
I wonder, if you were standing right next to me, if you would speak to me in the same manner. I sincerely doubt it.



Franko, I asked him basicly the same thing. He is just an ahole with no ba!!s. Hed would be afraid to meet anyone in person that disagrees with him. He can hide behind this board and not have to worry about using his big mouth.

twinmom
3/25/08
11:57 PM
QUOTE(johnq @ Mar 25 2008, 01:52 PM) [snapback]370194[/snapback]
Recall the shooting that took place on East Ross St. three weeks ago? If anyone remembers, I was quite upset.




I'm glad you've got some resolution. I hope your new neighbors aren't trouble.

frankomav47
3/26/08
12:04 AM
QUOTE(groundpounder @ Mar 25 2008, 11:47 PM) [snapback]370364[/snapback]
I wonder, if you were standing right next to me, if you would speak to me in the same manner. I sincerely doubt it.



Franko, I asked him basicly the same thing. He is just an ahole with no ba!!s. Hed would be afraid to meet anyone in person that disagrees with him. He can hide behind this board and not have to worry about using his big mouth.





Hey GP;

Always good to hear from ya.

One of these days someone with not as much patience will catch up to him and slap him around some but I doubt that would do anygood.
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