Walking the walk

February 13th, 2008 11:57 am · 17 comments

Obama sweeps three more primaries, and now Obama’s campaign manager says - plausibly - that it’s now he who projects the aura of inevitability, that Obama may have a lead of up to 136 delegates - and Hillary can’t catch him.

Well, maybe. The race is obviously far from over; but Obama’s momentum is both tangible and fascinating. Fascinating in that Obama is the obvious change candidate on so many levels - and the electorate, at least the Democratic side, seems downright giddy at the prospect of real, actual change.

I’ve always liked the idea of Obama as a candidate. Liked the idea that nominating - and then perhaps electing - someone of Obama’s background would make a definitive statement to the world that, You know what? The United States of America practices what it preaches; that we really mean it when it comes to things like equality. We’ve always talked a good game but I don’t know that we’ve always backed that up, always walked the walk. Obama represents a chance to do that.

But he represents a change in other ways as well. I’m obviously a huge fan of his stance on Iraq - an issue on which Hillary just doesn’t have much credibility for me - and Obama’s oft-intoned line that “We don’t just need to get out of Iraq, we need to change the mindset that got us into Iraq.” In other words, every problem is not going to be solvable by the application of force, and the thoughtless application of force may ultimately do more harm than good.

The proof, however, is in the pudding; I don’t know that I am a fan of an immediate withdrawal from Iraq because I think the place then simply implodes, and the consequences could be disastrous. But Obama, more than any other candidate, makes clear: No more Iraqs. McCain has explicitly promised us more Iraqs. I’m not confident Hillary doesn’t share the same leanings.

The problem of Obama, as I’ve noted before, is that those of us who like him tend to invest too much faith in him - and that’s a dangerous thing. Inspiring people and actually formulating good policy are not one and the same. Obama gets built up as this savior - I’m not sure he could ever measure up to the emotional investment people seem to be making in him. As president, he could disappoint; and what if he does? What does it do to the idea of the end of identity politics, which Obama represents? What does it do to those who invested themselves in this idea of change if, in fact, nothing really changes?

There’s a fine line, I think, between measured enthusiasm and - maybe this isn’t the right world - idolatry. Maybe we need to be careful that while walking the walk, we don’t assume the ledge is wider than it actually is.

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  17 comments  Tags: Election 2008 · Obama · Democratic candidates

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Pericles
2/13/08
12:10 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Feb 13 2008, 12:00 PM) [snapback]357064[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


"I don’t know that I am a fan of an immediate withdrawal from Iraq because I think the place then simply implodes, and the consequences could be disastrous."

Have you given this more thought than Obama, or is Obama simply telling people what they want to hear?

The inescapable truth is that there will be no immediate withdraw from Iraq under an Obama administration. I know it, you know it and he knows it.


gsmart
2/13/08
12:13 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 01:10 PM) [snapback]357107[/snapback]

The inescapable truth is that there will be no immediate withdraw from Iraq under an Obama administration. I know it, you know it and he knows it.






Even if he legitimately wanted to do it, I think his advisors, the military establishment convnices him not to. And maybe that's wise, though there indeed does need to be some plan to disengage, unless the plan really is to make Iraq into another South Korea, except with more explosions.



But as I said, I see Obama as the only candidate who would prevent the U.S. from making the same mistake twice.

Pericles
2/13/08
12:41 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Feb 13 2008, 01:13 PM) [snapback]357109[/snapback]




Even if he legitimately wanted to do it, I think his advisors, the military establishment convnices him not to. And maybe that's wise, though there indeed does need to be some plan to disengage, unless the plan really is to make Iraq into another South Korea, except with more explosions.



If he does legitimately want an immediate disengagement in Iraq, then I think Democrats need to take a very hard look at his intellect. But I believe he's simply telling people exactly what they want to hear. He's feeding them B.S. and they're eating it up.
Lysol54
2/13/08
12:47 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 01:41 PM) [snapback]357122[/snapback]

He's feeding them B.S. and they're eating it up.




GW has been doing that for 8 years and i don't ever hear you sitting here and complaining about it? I guess because hes a Republican he's allowed to do it??

And like Gil stated, even if thats what he wants to do, his advisors would probally disagree, and he strikes me as the type that would actually listen. Unlike your Cowboy GW, its his way or no way and he doesn't want to hear any differant.
easy
2/13/08
1:31 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 01:41 PM) [snapback]357122[/snapback]


But I believe he's simply telling people exactly what they want to hear. He's feeding them B.S. and they're eating it up.




Kind of like Bush did to get us into Iraq dry.gif

Pericles
2/13/08
1:49 PM
QUOTE(easy @ Feb 13 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]357154[/snapback]


Kind of like Bush did to get us into Iraq dry.gif



Take your invective and go somewhere else. Bush isn't running for election, Obama is. It's a legitimate discussion.


QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Feb 13 2008, 01:47 PM) [snapback]357126[/snapback]




GW has been doing that for 8 years and i don't ever hear you sitting here and complaining about it? I guess because hes a Republican he's allowed to do it??

And like Gil stated, even if thats what he wants to do, his advisors would probally disagree, and he strikes me as the type that would actually listen. Unlike your Cowboy GW, its his way or no way and he doesn't want to hear any differant.


Again the discussion concerns Obama, not Bush.

If you noticed, I've also been siting here and not complaining about corporate welfare, global warming, Chinese human rights abuses, Arab totalitarianism, Darfur, the cost of gasoline, and a million other subjects. But that's just me. I try to stick to the subject at hand.
Lysol54
2/13/08
1:58 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 02:49 PM) [snapback]357165[/snapback]


Take your invective and go somewhere else. Bush isn't running for election, Obama is. It's a legitimate discussion.




Again the discussion concerns Obama, not Bush.

If you noticed, I've also been siting here and not complaining about corporate welfare, global warming, Chinese human rights abuses, Arab totalitarianism, Darfur, the cost of gasoline, and a million other subjects. But that's just me. I try to stick to the subject at hand.




Of course you do. How silly of me you always stay on topic. blink.gif I didn't realize you were now the moderator of this thread? So rather than awnser the question posed you just deflect. Well typical. My point was something bugs you about one person but not about another, and the only differance is party affliliation. I'll let you and Gil go now so you can have your little circle jerk. Wouldn't want to upset you becuase we weren't staying on topic.
dodgecrew
2/13/08
2:03 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Feb 13 2008, 01:58 PM) [snapback]357181[/snapback]
...... I'll let you and Gil go now so you can have your little circle jerk. Wouldn't want to upset you becuase we weren't staying on topic.
What exactly is a "circle jerk"??
Pericles
2/13/08
2:15 PM
QUOTE(dodgecrew @ Feb 13 2008, 03:03 PM) [snapback]357187[/snapback]
What exactly is a "circle jerk"??



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=circlejerk

hahaha
2/13/08
2:16 PM
welllllll........

a: to kneel in a circle with others and pleasure oneself

OR

b: a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made

Hopefully we are talking about B!!
easy
2/13/08
2:46 PM
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Take your invective and go somewhere else. Bush isn't running for election, Obama is. It's a legitimate discussion.






Questioning our dear leader was the equivalent of treason. Even though we (gasp) dared to think that our questions were (legitamate discussion) cool.gif So now I'm supposed to bow and scrape while you hold court?



yes your Majesty laugh.gif

Pericles
2/13/08
2:59 PM
QUOTE(easy @ Feb 13 2008, 03:46 PM) [snapback]357222[/snapback]


Questioning our dear leader was the equivalent of treason. Even though we (gasp) dared to think that our questions were (legitamate discussion) cool.gif So now I'm supposed to bow and scrape while you hold court?

yes your Majesty laugh.gif



I gets rather tiring hearing the same old thing, day after day. BUSH, CHENEY, IRAQ, HALIBURTON ... especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.

It makes one doubt the ability of some to think independently.
Lysol54
2/13/08
3:02 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 03:59 PM) [snapback]357227[/snapback]


I gets rather tiring hearing the same old thing, day after day. BUSH, CHENEY, IRAQ, HALIBURTON ... especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.

It makes one doubt the ability of some to think independently.




Pericles last time i checked you aren't the moderator of these boards?? So if you don't like the discussions then go somewhere else? Its really rather simple. I'm sure in another year your going to be on here complaining about having a Democratic President. I'm sure you'll complain about it every chance you get.
easy
2/13/08
3:34 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 03:59 PM) [snapback]357227[/snapback]


I gets rather tiring hearing the same old thing, day after day. BUSH, CHENEY, IRAQ, HALIBURTON ... especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.

It makes one doubt the ability of some to think independently.




I believe the supporters of the Republican party failed their country, not by electing Bush, but because they got so lock step behind him. If they would have shown the tiniest bit of willingness to hold the jokers that they elected accountable, then I would feel alot different about them. If the people who voted for Bush had the conversation, that I refered to, about invading Iraq, (the one you now want to have about Obama) then we wouldn't be in Iraq. Period. It's that simple.

Face up to this and I'll gladly leave my sarcasm in it's box.

Pericles
2/13/08
3:46 PM
QUOTE(easy @ Feb 13 2008, 04:34 PM) [snapback]357240[/snapback]




I believe the supporters of the Republican party failed their country, not by electing Bush, but because they got so lock step behind him. If they would have shown the tiniest bit of willingness to hold the jokers that they elected accountable, then I would feel alot different about them. If the people who voted for Bush had the conversation, that I refered to, about invading Iraq, (the one you now want to have about Obama) then we wouldn't be in Iraq. Period. It's that simple.

Face up to this and I'll gladly leave my sarcasm in it's box.



In what tangible way have you held Bush accountable?
easy
2/13/08
4:19 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 04:46 PM) [snapback]357245[/snapback]


In what tangible way have you held Bush accountable?




I've supported the opposition party with money, time, my vote. I've written letters to the editor (that were printed) castigating the public for condoning the arrogance emanating from Washington.



But this is secondary to " Bush's own party holding him accountable" There's a lot of Americans who aren't averse to conservative principles. ( I think they're called Reagan Democrats) What happened? Did they change or is the Republican party not worthy of them any more?

segjt
2/15/08
1:25 AM
QUOTE(easy @ Feb 13 2008, 05:19 PM) [snapback]357251[/snapback]




I've supported the opposition party with money, time, my vote. I've written letters to the editor (that were printed) castigating the public for condoning the arrogance emanating from Washington.



But this is secondary to " Bush's own party holding him accountable" There's a lot of Americans who aren't averse to conservative principles. ( I think they're called Reagan Democrats) What happened? Did they change or is the Republican party not worthy of them any more?

I see alot of leg humping from you with very little substance. For a minute there I thought I was at an Obama rally.
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