In black and white
February 12th, 2008 4:22 pm · 11 comments
Tony Norman at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette wonders about Gov. Ed’s “blunt talk” on race, and how Obama’s might prevent some Pennsylvanians for voting for him:
“You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate,” he said bluntly. Our eyes only met briefly, perhaps because the governor wanted to spare the only black guy in the room from feeling self-conscious for backing an obvious loser. “I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann [2006 Republican gubernatorial candidate] been the identical candidate that he was –well-spoken [note: Mr. Rendell did not call the brother “articulate”], charismatic, good-looking — but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so.”
I know I have a habit of sometimes zoning out in these meetings, but it sounded to me like Mr. Rendell had unilaterally declared Pennsylvania to be Alabama circa 1963. Was he suggesting that Pennsylvanians are uniquely racist in ways that folks in the states Mr. Obama has won so far aren’t?
Well, no. But is Rendell wrong in saying that there are whites who won’t vote forĀ a black candidate? I think that recognizes reality - and indeed, Obama himself has said the same thing. Where it becomes a problem is when you start saying I can’t support this black candidate because or specifically because there are whites who won’t vote for the black guy. That’s where you to from merely observing an uncomfortable situation to perpetrating it.
The amazing thing about Obama’s candidacy is both that he’s been able to transcend this and has given us a glimpse of how things might work if in fact we were able to transcend this on a national basis. That’s why young people are voting for him in droves - they want to be past all that. Finally.
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There are currently 11 comments on this blog postView Topic | Comment on this blogLancaster 2/12/08 11:25 PM | QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Feb 12 2008, 04:25 PM) [snapback]356789[/snapback]
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I'm interested in hearing opinions on this - is it different for people to not vote for Barack solely because of his color, then it is for people to vote for him solely because of his color. Are these mindsets the same, or different?
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gsmart 2/13/08 10:09 AM | QUOTE(Lancaster @ Feb 13 2008, 12:25 AM) [snapback]356912[/snapback]
I'm interested in hearing opinions on this - is it different for people to not vote for Barack solely because of his color, then it is for people to vote for him solely because of his color. Are these mindsets the same, or different?
I'd say different - but there's a distinction to make here.
Some people would never vote for a person of color. But some people would never vote for a Republican, or vote for a Democrat - right? Some would never vote for a Mormon - that was a hurdle Mitt Romney had to address.
Point being, there are black and white reasons why this person will never vote for that candidate, reasons that have nothing to do with that person's actual positions on the issues, or personal magnetism, or whatever.
On the flip side, are there people who will vote for Obama specifically because he's black? Sure. Are there people who voted for Romney specifically because he was Mormon? Yeppers.
And in fact I know a couple of those folks, and they would deny strenuously that they voted for Romney "only" because he was Mormon. The reality is, because he was Mormon - and so were they - they were far more predisposed to vote for him. He hit the ground running with them, already had a big head start. From there, it's not too hard to convince yourself that he's your man - particularly if you already consider yourself conservative, and he was the conservative candidate.
I know a guy who is Mormon who is a huge Mitt fan, was all psyched to vote for him - but now that Mitt's out of the race he wants to change his registration so he can vote for Obama.
It's all identity politics, in other words.
But, what I like about Obama is, as I said, he transcends that. Young people like him, in part, because they see an Obama victory as driving a stake through the heart of identity politics, killing it dead - maybe for a generation or more. And in that, Obama is indeed the unity candidate, is indeed the candidate of change. People feel that. It's why they like him.
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Lysol54 2/13/08 10:12 AM | Could it be that not many people voted for Lynn Swann because he had no political experiance? That it had absolutely nothing to do with color? I mean his whole claim to fame was he played for the Steelers, won the Super Bowl and was MVP. That really doesn't qualify someone to be govenor in my book. Well Rendell is a moron so i guess you just consider the source. |
Pericles 2/13/08 10:47 AM | QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Feb 12 2008, 04:25 PM) [snapback]356789[/snapback]
Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post. Ed Rendell is shilling for Clinton... playing the race card.... casting doubts in the mind of voters that Obama could never win the general election, because he's Black. In the process however, he accuses his own citizens of being racists, too bigoted to vote for a Black candidate. And the Swann analogy was ridiculous. Swann never got his campaign off the ground. Swann's loss had nothing to do with race and everything to do with Lynn Swann's poor performance. He had no message! In fact, Swann did surprisingly well given the fact that his campaign sucked.
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mam0412 2/13/08 1:37 PM | QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 13 2008, 11:47 AM) [snapback]357057[/snapback]
Ed Rendell is shilling for Clinton... playing the race card.... casting doubts in the mind of voters that Obama could never win the general election, because he's Black.
In the process however, he accuses his own citizens of being racists, too bigoted to vote for a Black candidate.
And the Swann analogy was ridiculous. Swann never got his campaign off the ground. Swann's loss had nothing to do with race and everything to do with Lynn Swann's poor performance. He had no message! In fact, Swann did surprisingly well given the fact that his campaign sucked.
I half agree with this. Rendell is shilling for Clinton, no doubt, but he is not being untruthful about there being racists in PA. There's quite the handful of them that post on Talkback. All around, it was a stupid comment, but it wasn't untrue.
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Lancaster 2/13/08 2:20 PM | QUOTE(mam0412 @ Feb 13 2008, 02:37 PM) [snapback]357158[/snapback]
I half agree with this. Rendell is shilling for Clinton, no doubt, but he is not being untruthful about there being racists in PA. There's quite the handful of them that post on Talkback. All around, it was a stupid comment, but it wasn't untrue.
There are racists in every state, every country, and of every stripe of course.
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Pericles 2/13/08 2:41 PM | QUOTE(mam0412 @ Feb 13 2008, 02:37 PM) [snapback]357158[/snapback]
I half agree with this. Rendell is shilling for Clinton, no doubt, but he is not being untruthful about there being racists in PA. There's quite the handful of them that post on Talkback. All around, it was a stupid comment, but it wasn't untrue.
The point is that the audience for his statement is the Democratic party. He wants Democrats to know that many of his citizens, the ones who pay their taxes, fund his giveaways to stadiums, and pay his salary, are really racists.. so you better pick Hillary in the primary, because Obama doesn't stand a chance against a white man in the general election. Anyway you read it, his remarks were despicable.
QUOTE(Lancaster @ Feb 13 2008, 03:20 PM) [snapback]357208[/snapback]
There are racists in every state, every country, and of every stripe of course.
And here in PA our governor uses them as an election tool. Keep in mind he didn't make a statement saying that Pennsylvanians need to overcome their prejudices, or consider a person based on their character rather than the color of their skin. No MLK moment for Rendell. Instead, he interjects race, to cause fear, for the sole purpose of encouraging Democrats to vote against a person of color. |
mam0412 2/13/08 2:44 PM | QUOTE(Lancaster @ Feb 13 2008, 03:20 PM) [snapback]357208[/snapback] There are racists in every state, every country, and of every stripe of course.
Agreed. But Rendell is the Governor of PA.
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Hope 2/13/08 3:16 PM | QUOTE(Lancaster @ Feb 12 2008, 11:25 PM) [snapback]356912[/snapback] I'm interested in hearing opinions on this - is it different for people to not vote for Barack solely because of his color, then it is for people to vote for him solely because of his color. Are these mindsets the same, or different?
One the surface, the answer is no, there is no difference but looking deeper I have to say that yes, I do see a difference between them.
In not voting for Obama because of color the only thing I see is racism. But in voting for him because he is black I can see where someone sees it as a step forward for our country; as a step away from racial tension and a step toward real equality. I can see where a vote for or against this man has less to do with him as a good presidential candidate and more to do with a black man reaching the highest office in our country.
This is not my view on Obama as a candidate but I do see how it can be the view of others. |
grieker 2/15/08 1:41 PM | QUOTE(Hope @ Feb 13 2008, 03:16 PM) [snapback]357236[/snapback]
One the surface, the answer is no, there is no difference but looking deeper I have to say that yes, I do see a difference between them.
In not voting for Obama because of color the only thing I see is racism. But in voting for him because he is black I can see where someone sees it as a step forward for our country; as a step away from racial tension and a step toward real equality. I can see where a vote for or against this man has less to do with him as a good presidential candidate and more to do with a black man reaching the highest office in our country.
This is not my view on Obama as a candidate but I do see how it can be the view of others.
Not a black white vote with me. Obama and I don't share the same thoughts. Now put a Colon Powell or Condi Rice in the mix and I'm all over it. What better ticket!
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usedmeat 2/16/08 1:42 PM | QUOTE(grieker @ Feb 15 2008, 01:41 PM) [snapback]357955[/snapback]
Not a black white vote with me. Obama and I don't share the same thoughts. Now put a Colon Powell or Condi Rice in the mix and I'm all over it. What better ticket!
Yeah! That's the ticket, two liars on a Ticket. This is politics, not a tea party. Is Senator Obama's race a concern given some won't vote because of it? Yes. Is it a reason not to vote for him in the primary? No.
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