Mitt bails

February 7th, 2008 2:05 pm · 23 comments

Dropping out, sayeth the AP. The last, best hope of conservatives in this race is now gone, and their nemesis - McCain - now wins by default.

McCain-Huckabee, here we come.

This morning I asked some of my conservative e-mailers who they were going to support if Mitt did in fact bail. Two of them said they’ll probably be sitting the election out - becuase they absolutely will not vote for McCain, they won’t support “Chucklebee.” They won’t vote at all.

Don’t know how widespread that will be, how many will hold their nose and pull McCain’s lever. One thing we do know for sure, though - Rush and other movement types are probably popping a few blood vessels right about now.

Update: Classy as ever:

During his withdrawal speech at CPAC today, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney claimed that an electoral victory by either Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) or Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) “would mean attacks on America” because he says they would “retreat, declare defeat.” “About this, I have no doubt,” added Romney.

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  23 comments  Tags: Election 2008 · Huckabee · Mitt · John McCain · Republican candidates

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Pericles
2/7/08
2:05 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Feb 7 2008, 02:10 PM) [snapback]354842[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.


"This morning I asked some of my conservative e-mailers who they were going to support if Mitt did in fact bail. Two of them said they’ll probably be sitting the election out - becuase they absolutely [i]will not vote for McCain, they won’t support “Chucklebee.” They won’t vote at all."

[/i]Just a heat of the moment statement that likely will not stand the true test: President Hillary Clinton.

I may not agree with McCain on many issues, but on national security he's more credible than Clinton or Obama. Therefore, case closed for me.

We'll all end up hold our noses and voting, but without the passion from conservatives it may not be enough.

On the other hand, I've heard from at least one liberal friend that if the race is between Clinton and McCain, they'll vote for McCain. Strange but true.
Artie See
2/7/08
2:10 PM
McCain's overwhelming majority seems to be a clear repudiation by Republicans of GW Bush's policies.

McCain is a moderate in many areas. Obviously Republican voters have rejected extremist policies in favor of moderation.
lee41
2/7/08
2:24 PM
QUOTE(Artie See @ Feb 7 2008, 02:10 PM) [snapback]354869[/snapback]
McCain's overwhelming majority seems to be a clear repudiation by Republicans of GW Bush's policies.

McCain is a moderate in many areas. Obviously Republican voters have rejected extremist policies in favor of moderation.


But the GOP powers are in a tizzy. Their only hope now is a Cheney Jr as VP to carry their agenda. McCain is teetering a little, purposefully missing the vote in the Senate on the stimulus package.

In the end, McCain, Romney, and Huckabee all seem to want to continue Bush policies for another 4-8 years.
Pericles
2/7/08
2:29 PM
QUOTE(Artie See @ Feb 7 2008, 03:10 PM) [snapback]354869[/snapback]
McCain's overwhelming majority seems to be a clear repudiation by Republicans of GW Bush's policies.

McCain is a moderate in many areas. Obviously Republican voters have rejected extremist policies in favor of moderation.


McCain is strong on national defense and he is a war hero. That's where his strength is. He won strong majorities in districts bordering military bases and with retired military personnel.

And are you saying that Romney is an extremist? He was the Governor of Democrat Mass. for Goodness sake.
justplainjoe
2/7/08
2:29 PM
mccain has a screw lose somewhere. he goes to a market in bagdad for show, and gets some standholders killed just for talking to him, then he sez it's really safe there even tho he has 200 sharpshooters and 10 helicopters watching his back.

mccain is also an adulterer who cheated on his disabled first wife if i am not mistooken. nice guy.

yeah but an adulterer is better than a smart woman to some folks.LOL

oh and let's not forget his role as head of the keating five for anyone who had their life savings looted by his pals.

he will choose huckleberry as a running mate in an attempt to lure conservatives but his statements that there will be more wars and loopy crap like bagdad is safe for americans will doom him.

gsmart
2/7/08
2:30 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 7 2008, 03:05 PM) [snapback]354865[/snapback]


Just a heat of the moment statement that likely will not stand the true test: President Hillary Clinton.




That's what I wonder. It's natural to feel sour grapes now, but I'm just not sure it lasts into November. But to an extent, it might; and that could be a real problem for McCain.

QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 7 2008, 03:05 PM) [snapback]354865[/snapback]


On the other hand, I've heard from at least one liberal friend that if the race is between Clinton and McCain, they'll vote for McCain. Strange but true.




Not so strange - I fall into that camp. The logic here being - Hillary gets us into all the same wars; not because she believes in them, as McCain would, but because she will do what she thinks the polls indicate she should do, rather than exercising any actual leadership.



On domestic issues, I just don't see a big gap between the two. Yet Hillary is the singular most divisive figure in American politics today. A McCain presidency holds the prospect of driving a stake through the heart of the conservative "movement" - which has played a major role, the major role in creating that divisive atmosphere. McCain then offers the prospect of allowing the country to get past that atmosphere - as does Obama. Hillary just perpetuates it for another four years, at least.
Pericles
2/7/08
2:51 PM
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 7 2008, 03:29 PM) [snapback]354881[/snapback]
mccain has a screw lose somewhere. he goes to a market in bagdad for show, and gets some standholders killed just for talking to him, then he sez it's really safe there even tho he has 200 sharpshooters and 10 helicopters watching his back.

mccain is also an adulterer who cheated on his disabled first wife if i am not mistooken. nice guy.

yeah but an adulterer is better than a smart woman to some folks.LOL

oh and let's not forget his role as head of the keating five for anyone who had their life savings looted by his pals.

he will choose huckleberry as a running mate in an attempt to lure conservatives but his statements that there will be more wars and loopy crap like bagdad is safe for americans will doom him.



Of course Hillary is as pure as the wind driven snow.

And you can say all those things about McCain Joe, but you won't be able to say CHICKENHAWK. biggrin.gif




QUOTE(gsmart @ Feb 7 2008, 03:30 PM) [snapback]354882[/snapback]


Not so strange - I fall into that camp. The logic here being - Hillary gets us into all the same wars; not because she believes in them, as McCain would, but because she will do what she thinks the polls indicate she should do, rather than exercising any actual leadership.


Then you should vote for Hillary Gil. If she acts according to polls, you can rest assured that we will not engage in a war, or prolong the current one, despite the threat, and regardless of the potential outcome.

Aren't most Americans opposed to the Iraq war and intervention in Iran?




QUOTE(gsmart @ Feb 7 2008, 03:30 PM) [snapback]354882[/snapback]


McCain then offers the prospect of allowing the country to get past that atmosphere - as does Obama.


If were looking for someone to facilitate a lovefest then we should nominate Oprah, not Obama or McCain.

Abraham Lincoln would never have been nominated in this climate.
Bigmaclender2
2/7/08
3:02 PM
I'm curious to know how everyone seems to know how every candidate will react, respond or be like once they are in office. How is that? Can someone enlighten me? I see everything that Hillary has done for the state of New York and she doesn't seem any worse than Obama-AT ALL.











ace1969
2/7/08
3:22 PM
I fall into that approximate 30% of conservatives that still just does not know yet. I actually agree with Gill relating to Hillary. I just do not find her strong enough in her convictions (even thou I disagree with the majority) and feel she would sway in the breeze. Will admit I find Obama a personable guy. Just to liberal. If a gun was put to my head I would vote for the Huck due to his conservative stand. However, have concerns over international and military aspects. McCain has the "strength" to lead. While I agree that states rights need to take more precedent I just get this feeling that it is his way of pushing off / side stepping social issues. I just wish he was a stronger force and more conservative. I do expect that he will now be more aggressive in gaining ground with us conservatives with Mitt out of the way.

Bigmaclender2
2/7/08
3:35 PM
QUOTE(ace1969 @ Feb 7 2008, 04:22 PM) [snapback]354900[/snapback]
I fall into that approximate 30% of conservatives that still just does not know yet. I actually agree with Gill relating to Hillary. I just do not find her strong enough in her convictions (even thou I disagree with the majority) and feel she would sway in the breeze. Will admit I find Obama a personable guy. Just to liberal. If a gun was put to my head I would vote for the Huck due to his conservative stand. However, have concerns over international and military aspects. McCain has the "strength" to lead. While I agree that states rights need to take more precedent I just get this feeling that it is his way of pushing off / side stepping social issues. I just wish he was a stronger force and more conservative. I do expect that he will now be more aggressive in gaining ground with us conservatives with Mitt out of the way.





I really do feel that it's going to be anyone's race at this point. I would like to see a Democrat win though.

justplainjoe
2/7/08
3:48 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 7 2008, 03:51 PM) [snapback]354888[/snapback]


Of course Hillary is as pure as the wind driven snow.

And you can say all those things about McCain Joe, but you won't be able to say CHICKENHAWK. biggrin.gif





no doubt mccain is a brave man. but what do we know about him?

there isn't anything we don't know about hillary and plenty we do not know about obama.

my guess is that the repubs want to run against obama cos they got something they can swiftboat him with.

obama gives nice speeches but we need someone who can fix the mess bush is going to stick us with and mccain already said he doesn't know squat about economics.

not very encouraging during a recession.

P. Floyd
2/7/08
4:12 PM
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 7 2008, 03:48 PM) [snapback]354910[/snapback]


no doubt mccain is a brave man. but what do we know about him?



after a lifetime (a long lifetime at that) of public service, i'd hope there would be more of an answer and less of a question.
Artie See
2/7/08
4:22 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Feb 7 2008, 02:29 PM) [snapback]354879[/snapback]
And are you saying that Romney is an extremist?
No. But Romney has consistently been portrayed as being more conservative than McCain. And I spent a fair amount of time reading Huckabee's web site - referred there by a Christian friend - so I know he is very conservative, but he doesn't seem to be an extremist.
ArtVandolay
2/7/08
4:31 PM
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 7 2008, 03:48 PM) [snapback]354910[/snapback]


no doubt mccain is a brave man. but what do we know about him?

there isn't anything we don't know about hillary and plenty we do not know about obama.

my guess is that the repubs want to run against obama cos they got something they can swiftboat him with.

obama gives nice speeches but we need someone who can fix the mess bush is going to stick us with and mccain already said he doesn't know squat about economics.

not very encouraging during a recession.




Meat - the economy will right itself. We need a recession so the economy can expand again down the road unless the dems get in.



The issue Gil brings up is valid. But McCain is now reaching out to the conservatives - promising changes on his position on immigration, affirming a quarter century of his pro life and anti gun control positions. Keeping the tax cuts for individuals and corporations. His strong anti terror position is the way.



Romney or Huck will be the VP - expect Rudy as AG, a big prime time convention speech from Romney, maybe a cabinet gig for him.



Rush and Hannity are the anti McCainers. They fear a loss of listenership if McCain wins. If the Dems win, they are guarenteed high ratings for 4 years, depending on who gets the nod. Obama will be gone in four like Carter, Hillary will stay for eight. (I did not intend to rhyme) So they are leaning toward convincing listeners to stay home in November.











BAG-17
2/7/08
4:46 PM
Now that the fields been narrowed once again, is there another compatibility test we can take? To see which remaining canidate we are most like? I like Ike wink.gif rolleyes.gif
bigstew
2/7/08
5:22 PM
QUOTE(Artie See @ Feb 7 2008, 02:10 PM) [snapback]354869[/snapback]
McCain's overwhelming majority seems to be a clear repudiation by Republicans of GW Bush's policies.
That's quite a leap. Anything but opinion to reinforce with?

QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 7 2008, 02:29 PM) [snapback]354881[/snapback]
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mccain is also an adulterer who cheated on his disabled first wife if i am not mistooken. nice guy.

yeah but an adulterer is better than a smart woman to some folks.LOL


Hilarious coming from a bill clinton guy. So now you agree with his impeachment, or is this kind of scrutiny saved strictly for repubs in your eyes.

QUOTE(gsmart @ Feb 7 2008, 02:30 PM) [snapback]354882[/snapback]

conservative "movement" - which has played a major role, the major role in creating that divisive atmosphere.
Why is that? Conservatives stand by their core values and principles and they are divisive. What are liberals when they stand by their principles(know any)?

QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 7 2008, 03:48 PM) [snapback]354910[/snapback]


no doubt mccain is a brave man. but what do we know about him?

Once again, hillarious. McCain, though I doubt I'll be voting for him, has been in public service far longer than the one your backing.
justplainjoe
2/7/08
5:37 PM
QUOTE(bigstew @ Feb 7 2008, 06:22 PM) [snapback]354929[/snapback]
That's quite a leap. Anything but opinion to reinforce with?

Hilarious coming from a bill clinton guy. So now you agree with his impeachment, or is this kind of scrutiny saved strictly for repubs in your eyes.

read it again stew, only sloooooowly.



Once again, hillarious. McCain, though I doubt I'll be voting for him, has been in public service far longer than the one your backing.


hilarious???...how about giving us a detailed dissertation on mccains involvement with charles keating and the savings and loan scandal.



or maybe you can explain his relationship , before they got married,with his current heiress wife who is financing his political ambitions.



the fact is the american public knows little about him, although some conservatives apparently do and they don't like what they know.
Artie See
2/7/08
5:38 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Feb 7 2008, 02:30 PM) [snapback]354882[/snapback]
Yet Hillary is the singular most divisive figure in American politics today.
More so than GW Bush?

Might that be because so many of his supporters have abandoned him?
Artie See
2/7/08
5:50 PM
QUOTE(bigstew @ Feb 7 2008, 05:22 PM) [snapback]354929[/snapback]
That's quite a leap. Anything but opinion to reinforce with?
Nope. That's just my opinion, nothing more.
bigstew
2/7/08
5:54 PM
So joe, you don't see the irony(or hypocracy) of criticizing mccain for adultery when you're such a clinton supporter(bill).
Artie See
2/7/08
6:11 PM
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 7 2008, 05:37 PM) [snapback]354935[/snapback]
the fact is the american public knows little about him
If John McCain were to be elected president, at his inauguration he would be more than two years older than Ronald Reagan was when he first took office as president, the oldest to date.

Ronald Reagan was born on February 6, 1911, and took office on January 20, 1981, at age 69 years 11 months.

John McCain was born on August 29, 1936, and would take office on January 20, 2009, at age 72 years 4 months.

At the end of a second term as president, John McCain would be over 80 years old.

Please don't flame me too badly if I didn't do my math properly...
P. Floyd
2/7/08
6:18 PM
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 7 2008, 05:37 PM) [snapback]354935[/snapback]


the fact is the american public knows little about him, although some conservatives apparently do and they don't like what they know.


if the litmus test to become president is how much the average american has educated themselves about the candidates, i don't think we would have had a president for at least 100 years.
Artie See
2/7/08
6:57 PM
From John McCain's web site:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues...cf2edb527cf.htm
QUOTE(John McCain)
Reform the tax code to eliminate the bias toward employer-sponsored health insurance, and provide all individuals with a $2,500 tax credit ($5,000 for families) to increase incentives for insurance coverage.
This is clearly intended to shift the responsibility to pay for the majority of health care costs away from employers, and onto individuals.

What this idea ignores is the fact that employer-based health care is group insurance, which provides favorable rates by sharing the risks and costs among all employees. Individuals cannot purchase health insurance at such advantageous rates.

Yes, you would get a $5000 tax credit per family for health insurance. But you would only gain what share of health insurance you pay to your employer, and you would have to pay Federal taxes on that money. Does anyone who reads this post really believe that all employers will gleefully hand over 100% of what they are current paying for health insurance as a raise in your paycheck? Even if they did, this formerly Federal tax-exempt income would now be taxable. So you would gain maybe $6000 a year, but you would lose at least twice that much.

Buying health insurance as an individual isn't cheap. $1000 a month will not be enough money to cover most families. And my wife is diabetic; what are the chances I could afford health insurance for her, if I could even buy it at all? Health insurance companies RIGHT NOW often refuse or drop individuals who have a higher risk than others; there is NO chance that will ever change. What will someone do who smokes? What will someone do who is overweight? What will someone do who has an infant or child with birth defects or other conditions?

This is nothing more than just another Darwinian "survival of the fittest" proposal.
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