Inside out

January 30th, 2008 10:14 am · 11 comments

I was going to simply post this in the OMG sex!!! thread, but it’s running long. So what else is new?

I’m curious to see that there are some folks who think Lancaster County used to be more moral than other places before all these outsiders moved in. The New Yorkers have brought their New York ways - pushy and arrogant.

But this includes sex on teh internets, or drugs, or liquor?

Our newspaper did a story a few years back about how, during prohibition, enterprising hometown breweries right here in Lancaster ran hoses beneath the streets to subvert the law and keep on brewing beer.

Someone else mentioned a certain downtown “health club,” which has been around for a long time. And I’ve heard, via e-mail, from a few folks who tell me stories about perversions that existed here long before the Internet made it easier to find or purvey perversions.

So we can go back as long as you want - 20 years, 50 years, 100 years - and I guarantee you, I absolutely guarantee you, that every kind of sin existed here that now exists here. Was there no prostitution, no alcohol before the “outsiders” ruined Lancaster County?

Come on.

And if we say it’s more pervasive now - maybe. But if that’s so, it seems to me to be a function of the fact that, simply, there are more people living in Lancaster County now. If one percent of our population trolls for teh sex - be it on the Internet or at a massage parlor or along certain streets in the downtown - one percent now constitutes a lot more people than one percent did 30 years ago.

But there’s sort of a curiously related phenomenon here, as well. In response to last week’s bit on the TNDs, I’ve heard from quite a few people who are, as we say, “not from around here” - moved here from New York in one case, northern Virginia in another. And these people are among the most insistent that Lancaster County not overdevelop, not become those places that they left.

We laugh about this and rightly so; people move here and want to shut the door behind them. But the point is, it is the outsiders who are among those fighting hardest to preserve Lancaster County’s rural character, it’s “exceptionalism.”

As has been mentioned in the other thread - when you look at the development that’s taken place here over the past three decades, who are the developers? And you will find in virtually every case - the developers are locals.

I’m not convinced that Lancaster County is a poorer place to raise your kids than it was in the ’70s, when I was a kid here. I simply think the vices that always existed are better-publicized.

But if Lancaster County is somehow the poorer, let’s be clear about who bears responsibility for that. It was not imposed from the outside. It happened from the inside out.

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citydweller
1/30/08
3:30 PM
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So we can go back as long as you want - 20 years, 50 years, 100 years - and I guarantee you, I absolutely guarantee you, that every kind of sin existed here that now exists here. Was there no prostitution, no alcohol before the “outsiders” ruined Lancaster County?


Sex in the city is nothing new in these parts, and a visit to the Lancaster County Historical Society will prove it to any doubters.

One of the more fascinating things to pass through my antiques business last year was a pile of documents related to city and county operations during the early 1860's. Probably the most interesting of these documents were several lists of lawyers paid for prosecuting crimes, and corresponding lists of those convicted being assessed fines by the county treasurer.

Of some 60 or so crimes documented for a single quarter of 1862, there was one murder, two thefts, and a couple assaults.

The rest? You guessed it - prostitution, adultery, rape, and, by far the big winner, drunk-in-public wacko.gif

Must have been caused by all those Swiss and German outsiders.
gsmart
1/30/08
3:38 PM
QUOTE(citydweller @ Jan 30 2008, 04:30 PM) [snapback]352765[/snapback]


Sex in the city is nothing new in these parts, and a visit to the Lancaster County Historical Society will prove it to any doubters.

One of the more fascinating things to pass through my antiques business last year was a pile of documents related to city and county operations during the early 1860's. Probably the most interesting of these documents were several lists of lawyers paid for prosecuting crimes, and corresponding lists of those convicted being assessed fines by the county treasurer.

Of some 60 or so crimes documented for a single quarter of 1862, there was one murder, two thefts, and a couple assaults.

The rest? You guessed it - prostitution, adultery, rape, and, by far the big winner, drunk-in-public wacko.gif

Must have been caused by all those Swiss and German outsiders.




A colleague who shall remain nameless sent along the following thoughts on this:

Hello, even I remember, as a kid when few "outsiders" were moving here and there was at least one more porn shop than we have today (we're down to two, as opposed to three); at least 2 or 3 "head shops" and Zangari's 220 Lounge, next to, of all places, the venerable Fulton Opera House (it's long been torn down) which prominently advertised "go-go girls." There was also MORE than one X-rated theater (and LNP used to carry ads in the movie section; it was somewhat disarming as a kid to look at an ad for the latest Disney film next to a two-column ad for "ILSA: She-Wolf of the SS").



Out in the burbs, the one theater at Park City was X-rated and the old Sheraton Conestoga in Manheim Township had occasional "lounge acts" (I remember all the guys in 8th grade giggling over big newspaper ads for "The Busty Russel Show") Also remember people lining up at the Eden Theatre to see "Deep Throat" and "The Devil in Miss Jones." Also remember about the whispers about what went on in the basement health spa at Park City (supposedly a gay cruising ground - right next door to the video game arcade full of teenage boys...)


And this was the 60s-70s. I've read about Lancaster at the turn of the century, when it had a red-light district and a lot more saloons.

Woody
1/31/08
2:19 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Jan 30 2008, 03:38 PM) [snapback]352769[/snapback]




A colleague who shall remain nameless sent along the following thoughts on this:

Hello, even I remember, as a kid when few "outsiders" were moving here and there was at least one more porn shop than we have today (we're down to two, as opposed to three); at least 2 or 3 "head shops" and Zangari's 220 Lounge, next to, of all places, the venerable Fulton Opera House (it's long been torn down) which prominently advertised "go-go girls." There was also MORE than one X-rated theater (and LNP used to carry ads in the movie section; it was somewhat disarming as a kid to look at an ad for the latest Disney film next to a two-column ad for "ILSA: She-Wolf of the SS").



Out in the burbs, the one theater at Park City was X-rated and the old Sheraton Conestoga in Manheim Township had occasional "lounge acts" (I remember all the guys in 8th grade giggling over big newspaper ads for "The Busty Russel Show") Also remember people lining up at the Eden Theatre to see "Deep Throat" and "The Devil in Miss Jones." Also remember about the whispers about what went on in the basement health spa at Park City (supposedly a gay cruising ground - right next door to the video game arcade full of teenage boys...)


And this was the 60s-70s. I've read about Lancaster at the turn of the century, when it had a red-light district and a lot more saloons.



Not to be picky, but, "Zangari's 220 Lounge " was two blocks further north from the Fulton, at 220 North Prince. Hence the name 220 Lounge. I spent many evenings of my decadent youth watching Bunny Black do her thing there.

As for the New Yorkers and New Jerseyians (?) coming to rescue the backward sods of Lancaster and their land, thank you. dry.gif Of course, if they hadn't come here in the first place, to save the land, we, Lancastrians, wouldn't need their assistance in preserving farm land `cause farm land wouldn't be sold to accommodate their need for large houses and the acres to build them on. JMO





Pericles
1/31/08
3:06 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Jan 30 2008, 04:38 PM) [snapback]352769[/snapback]


Out in the burbs, the one theater at Park City was X-rated and the old Sheraton Conestoga in Manheim Township had occasional "lounge acts" (I remember all the guys in 8th grade giggling over big newspaper ads for "The Busty Russel Show") Also remember people lining up at the Eden Theatre to see "Deep Throat" and "The Devil in Miss Jones." Also remember about the whispers about what went on in the basement health spa at Park City (supposedly a gay cruising ground - right next door to the video game arcade full of teenage boys...)



Then there was the Columbia Drive In that showed X-rated movies in the late 60s... on a giant outside screen in front of God and the entire World.

That would never be tolerated today. So have we really changed? And in what direction?
cyberscribbler
1/31/08
3:16 PM
QUOTE(Woody @ Jan 31 2008, 02:19 AM) [snapback]352900[/snapback]
we, Lancastrians, wouldn't need their assistance in preserving farm land `cause farm land wouldn't be sold to accommodate their need for large houses
Where would we Lancastrians live after growing up?
You really think we'd all be better off still living @ home with our parents? rolleyes.gif
gsmart
1/31/08
3:31 PM
We're forgetting Hartman's Cafe in Columbia, which used to run an ad: Where the beer and the girls are. Which always made me think of Connie Francis: Where the beer are...

Woody
1/31/08
10:30 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Jan 31 2008, 03:16 PM) [snapback]353125[/snapback]
Where would we Lancastrians live after growing up?
You really think we'd all be better off still living @ home with our parents? rolleyes.gif


No. Place the parents in retirement/nursing homes. Then we can live in their homes. tongue.gif

lanzate
2/1/08
12:24 AM
Gil,
In both of these threads only one post so far supported your thoughts that Lancastrians believe life was more moral years ago and now is ruined by immigrants from out of state. I really think you invented this Gil, I don't think it exists in the form you are describing except maybe in the recent immigrants who thought they found the "promise land" to raise their kids. They are the ones whose image of lancaster is tainted by stories of prostitutes.

People years ago understood a separation of what was the "world" and what was a moral life. Today I think, to the fault of connecting politics and religion, we have lost a lot of the separation thinking.

My parents are fairly religions people. I asked them if they knew park city had an x-rated movie theater in the 70's. They said yes they did know about. What i find interesting is that it never entered their minds to boycott the shopping center because of this. We often shopped there growing up. So how long do you think it would take for a boycott to be organized if park city opened it back up tomorrow? And who do you think would organize it? Probably none of us passive aggressive native Lancastrians. The first with a picket march would probably be an immigrant parent talking about how they moved from new jersey to get away from this kind of thing.

I don't know if my thoughts are making any sence this late, but i tried.
good night
cyberscribbler
2/1/08
9:53 AM
QUOTE(Woody @ Jan 31 2008, 10:30 PM) [snapback]353257[/snapback]


No. Place the parents in retirement/nursing homes. Then we can live in their homes. tongue.gif
Assuming we're all only children, which most of us aren't.
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hahaha
2/1/08
11:11 AM
Sure we're not!
Bigmaclender2
2/1/08
12:06 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Jan 31 2008, 04:06 PM) [snapback]353118[/snapback]


Then there was the Columbia Drive In that showed X-rated movies in the late 60s... on a giant outside screen in front of God and the entire World.

That would never be tolerated today. So have we really changed? And in what direction?




The Main Theatre in Ephrata had "X" movies well into the Eighties. I remember one in particular entitled "Peaches and Cream".

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