OMG sex on teh internets!!!

January 29th, 2008 1:33 pm · 125 comments

Era will sell a few newspapers today with this story, front and center. And it’s a good story, about how “dozens” of area women are advertising “erotic services” on Craigslist, which even we here in Lancaster County can now use.

A good story and an amusing one, because Jack Brubaker had to call a few of these women and ask, uh, so what it is exactly you do. And no one really owned up to anything explicit; but then, they wouldn’t, would they?

There’s been a spate of what we might call “sin” stories in the news of late. Here we’ve got sex; a few weeks ago it was drugs, with a front-page bit on a Millersville party where students were ingesting hallucinigenic mushrooms - or “shrooming,” as you’d call it if you actually ever attended a Grateful Dead concert. And then we had the stories about a couple local restaurants seeking liquor licenses.

While the Craiglist story - while all these stories - are legitimate stories, good stories, they are of such interest to local readers because there’s still a sort of naivete in Lancaster County, I think, a sense that these things don’t happen here. But of course they do, and they always have; people here have always ingested the demon rum, and it really isn’t so shocking that some restaurants, even long-time “family friendly” ones, should want to cater to that. People have long ingested ’shrooms and every other drug under the sun, even right here in Lancaster County. And sex? Hell, we’re up to half a million people now. And not all of them came here from New Jersey.

We have this idea of Lancaster County as an exceptional place in a lot of different ways. We’re exceptional in terms of our agricultural heritage, which must be preserved. We’re exceptional for our architectural history, and ditto. And those things are exceptional.

But part of living in an exceptional place is that you begin to think that you are exceptional, that the people of Lancaster County are somehow exceptional. That manifests itself into this belief that people in Lancaster County are somehow more moral than people elsewhere.

I have never seen any evidence of this. And I don’t believe it to be true.

Human nature in Lancaster County is as it is anywhere else. We may be latecomers to the possibilities unleashed, in this case, by technology; but of course people in Lancaster County will use the Internet to solicit for sex, because people all over the country use the Internet to solicit for sex, and we’re not immune from that - no matter how high church attendance may be, no matter how rural we may remain. Lancaster County is of the greater world. And for a long time I think people have believed we weren’t.

And the shattering of this illusion is big news, indeed.

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area man
1/29/08
6:39 PM

For the record.

I have never had teh sex on the internets.

Really.

citydweller
1/29/08
7:33 PM

Comments coming later.... have to go shave teh hair off my palms

easy
1/29/08
8:56 PM

QUOTE

people in Lancaster County are somehow more moral than people elsewhere. I have never seen any evidence of this. And I don’t believe it to be true.

ooh ooh Somebody's gonna get it.

Save-the-Land
1/29/08
10:07 PM

Gil you are correct, the old Lancaster County I loved is DEAD and gone. We used to be more moral than other places and it was previously a great place to live and raise kids.....not so much anymore. I'm not sure when it happened but this formerly wonderful place has changed dramatically for the worse. Just too many outsiders have moved here. Too many people from NY and NJ, ironically moved here for a better life, and they have ruined it for the rest of us. All those pushy, overly materialistic, agressive outsiders have spoiled this wonderful place. I wish they'd all move away but it doesn't matter anymore, the well is spoiled for good.

lanzate
1/29/08
11:36 PM

QUOTE

And the shattering of this illusion is big news, indeed.

Nothing like a newspaper that creates an illusion and then shatters it all to sell more papers. I'll forgive you Gil since I know we all like job security.

There has been a story about prostitutes every couple years in lancaster.
Personally I think it is the newcomers to lancaster that have put the illusions of exceptionalism on the county. So yes, you will sell newspapers to them I guess.
Think about this... where were the protesters when park city was showing x rated movies in the 70's?

BAG-17
1/29/08
11:37 PM

QUOTE(Save-the-Land @ Jan 29 2008, 10:07 PM) [snapback]352529[/snapback]

Or did they just give us liberty to be who we are deep down inside.
When a cup is bumped over, what pours out is what has been inside all the time.

citizen-too
1/30/08
12:11 AM

I've lived here for more than 55 years. Lancaster has turned into an armpit in the last 20 years, the most recent 10 were the worst. I'm ready to sell it all and move to Virginia or West Virginia. They still have values and morals in MOST areas.

Kirkwoodkid
1/30/08
3:08 AM

QUOTE(Save-the-Land @ Jan 29 2008, 11:07 PM) [snapback]352529[/snapback]

Pushy materialistic agressive outsiders

Give me a break we're all God's children , your no better than anyone else. Besides I would rather live next to a New Yorker than a stinky flea infested amishman.

Whirlwind
1/30/08
5:19 AM

Is the Whirl-a-sage still in business? It's existence spoke volumes to me about the supposedly pure moral character of Lancaster. The old Hotel Brunswick had live shows.

I had lived rural, and still believed those notions of wholesomeness. Very quickly disabused of that.

That the Lancaster police are aware of this Craigslist activity and have never tried to catch or prosecute, is the story. I'm sure most folks see it as a victimless crime.

justplainjoe
1/30/08
5:39 AM

QUOTE(lanzate @ Jan 30 2008, 12:36 AM) [snapback]352538[/snapback]

Think about this... where were the protesters when park city was showing x rated movies in the 70's?

i remember several prominent lancastrians who had to sit thru 7,8, even 10 movies just to verify that they were in fact dirty.

ihavehorns
1/30/08
6:10 AM

QUOTE(Save-the-Land @ Jan 29 2008, 10:07 PM) [snapback]352529[/snapback]

I think it's so funny when people make these kind of STUPID comments. Lancaster county built a business around it's amish people to lure in OUTSIDERS to spend their money. You have exploited your county and now you blame the people for coming here? YOU INVITED THEM!!! You built kitchen kettle village, dutch wonderland, the outlets, and every other UGLY, TACKY amish sucking business. You sold your land to developers so they could build cheap mcmansions. Do you really think that only people from NY and NJ live in those crappy houses? You whored out your land to make a buck and now your pissed about it. Get over it. I will stay here until my son finishes school and then you will have one less New Yorker to worry about. People in Lancaster want money, but then blame the OUTSIDERS for their overdevelopment.

hahaha
1/30/08
6:40 AM

You were supposed to stay for a week and then leave. Talk about greedy. Those dollars signs went CHA-CHING in those eyes when they saw the size of house they could buy here for a lot less then back home. They saw those cheap taxes. Then they couldn't stand their neighbors and the local rules so they demanded changes. Tell us again about the greed......

lanzate
1/30/08
6:44 AM

my my, aren’t we just a pissy bunch this morning.

I hope the day gets better for you all.

ihavehorns
1/30/08
7:16 AM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 30 2008, 06:40 AM) [snapback]352567[/snapback]

I don't understand how it is any different from someone here buying a house in the 1950's for $30,000 dollars and it now being worth $200,000. If you bought a house in New York in the 1950's and paid the original price, you would make a huge profit when selling it too. Lot's of people made lot's of money in recent years when the real estate market was booming. Many people from Lancaster county sold their homes to cash in on the high prices they could get for their homes. Many people from here move to other places where the taxes are cheaper and the home prices are cheaper...does that make them greedy? What local rules are New Yorkers looking to change. Most New Yorkers I have met here try to blend in as well as they can with their "new yawk" accents, and just want to be left alone until they can move away from this god forsaken land. Talk about being sold a bill of goods! Lancaster promotes itself as this moral, clean living society... what a joke. I've seen more hypocrisy here than anywhere I've ever been to. Thank God for the outsiders....I don't care where they come from...I just hope they keep coming. I hope they build OUTSIDER WORLD right in the heart of good ole' lancaster county....I'll move there in a heartbeat.

It's easy to blame the problems this county has on "OUTSIDERS", but the blame lies with the people who are originally from here. Just like New York had to clean itself up (look at NYC for example), Lancaster county needs to stop blaming others and look at the problems they have caused for themselves. Keep building your tacky outlets and convention centers to lure people here and then curse them for doing so, all the while holding your hand out for their money. I for one think it's pretty funny to watch. Oh....and God bless you.

hahaha
1/30/08
8:13 AM

"What local rules are New Yorkers looking to change."

"just hope they keep coming. I hope they build OUTSIDER WORLD right in the heart of good ole' lancaster county"

So you don't want to change anything, just take over???

I hope they do also. I'll sell my real estate and my businesses for some outrageous prices to some suckers any day of the week......

Alyssarah1
1/30/08
8:22 AM

QUOTE(lanzate @ Jan 30 2008, 07:44 AM) [snapback]352568[/snapback]

my my, aren't we just a pissy bunch this morning.

I hope the day gets better for you all.

Yeah, you can almost tell who has to get their sex on teh internet.

ihavehorns
1/30/08
8:39 AM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 30 2008, 08:13 AM) [snapback]352580[/snapback]

So you don't want to change anything, just take over???

I hope they do also. I'll sell my real estate and my businesses for some outrageous prices to some suckers any day of the week......

So do it, but then don't cry about it. Meh...the new yorkers are buying up all our land...meh...we used to be a moral society until the outsiders moved in...meh. Get over it. You aren't poor little indians and the outsiders didn't come and steal your land and put you on reservations. YOU SOLD OUT! You wanted the money....you got it....now deal with it. Instead of welcoming new people who are boosting the economy, you use them as a scapegoat. You locals caused the problems, now deal with them. Now leave me alone....I have to join the other new yorkers....we have lot's of minty poison to pour into the water today. God only knows what havoc our secret outsider club will wreak upon the innocent, lancaster county originals tomorrow. Mwahaha!!

Lysol54
1/30/08
8:43 AM

QUOTE(Whirlwind @ Jan 30 2008, 06:19 AM) [snapback]352564[/snapback]

Is the Whirl-a-sage still in business? It's existence spoke volumes to me about the supposedly pure moral character of Lancaster. The old Hotel Brunswick had live shows.

A cop friend of the family was just talking about that place awhile back. apparently it still operates and there has been a bust here or there.

mrlancaster
1/30/08
8:43 AM

QUOTE(Whirlwind @ Jan 30 2008, 05:19 AM) [snapback]352564[/snapback]

Yes whirl-a-sage is still around, or so i've heard

They also busted a "masage" place on Dillersville Rd recently for offering "special" massage

Lysol54
1/30/08
8:48 AM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 30 2008, 09:39 AM) [snapback]352587[/snapback]

Unless we are talking about Amish/Mennonites almost everyone here was an outsider at one time. Now having said that i will say this new group of "outsiders" is quite a bit differant. I get tired of New Yorkers very quickly around here, their bossy ways, there arrogant attitudes etc. I've had to watch them at grocery stores, complaining how the deli just isn't as good as NY. Being rude to the counter help because they can't slice it the way they did up in NY. Well if you dont like then go home. This isn't NY, this is Lancaster. The people from NY are just a differant breed. Just like the people here are. You have a lot of passive agressive people here in Lancaster, and most of the people coming from NY are just agressive. Having worked in the hotel industry for 3 years i can tell you they are the most rude, obnoxious, arrogent people i've ever met. And i'm not just talking about a few people here, i had dealings with 1000's of them, and very few were what i would call nice. Now having said all that, i have met some very nice people who moved from NY. But not a whole lot.

Shawn
1/30/08
9:02 AM

QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jan 30 2008, 08:48 AM) [snapback]352593[/snapback]

This is all very amusing given the fact that there is currently such a big push in Lancaster county to make the population as dense as possible, using the guise of preserving farmland. And, people are falling for it. Who do you think is going to be moving into these uber dense neighborhoods that are going to built one on top of another? Lancaster is turning itself into a New Jersey suburb in search of the almighty dollar, then complaining about the consequences. Its just silly. I just came from spending a few days in San Antonio, Tx. The contrast was striking. SA has a much lager population than Lancaster, but not anywhere near the density. There was practically no traffic in the city, it was clean, it was safe, it was affordable, there were tons of good restaurants, the people were happy, and were very friendly. Even the touristy areas and shops were nice. The tourist shops had some really nice goods. Not all of the made in china trinket type things you find around here. I think the difference can all be attributed to the lack of density. However, those that get heart palpatations over seeing non-white immigrants probably shoulnd't visit. The majority of the population is made up of mexican immigrants, and there was lots of spanish being spoken all around. The city really did feel like being in Mexico. Horns, if you are looking for suggestions, I nominate San Antonio...I think you'd like it.

Later...Shawn

BeingReal
1/30/08
9:11 AM

QUOTE(Alyssarah1 @ Jan 30 2008, 08:22 AM) [snapback]352581[/snapback]

Yeah, you can almost tell who has to get their sex on teh internet.

That was funny! I still think TB needs a falling-over-while-laughing-too-hard smiley for some of these posts! This one will have to do.

grieker
1/30/08
9:11 AM

QUOTE(lanzate @ Jan 29 2008, 11:36 PM) [snapback]352538[/snapback]

Think about this... where were the protesters when park city was showing x rated movies in the 70's?

In line buying tickets

BeingReal
1/30/08
9:17 AM

QUOTE(BAG-17 @ Jan 29 2008, 11:37 PM) [snapback]352539[/snapback]

Or did they just give us liberty to be who we are deep down inside.
When a cup is bumped over, what pours out is what has been inside all the time.

Excellent point. Just like the sediment in the bottom of even a fine wine bottle.

One more point....Dutch Wonderland is actually a very nice, clean amusement park. We've been there several times over the past few years and always leave with the same impression: it's one of the nicest places like that we've seen. They're also now owned by Hershey, from what we understand.

Lysol54
1/30/08
9:30 AM

QUOTE(Shawn @ Jan 30 2008, 10:02 AM) [snapback]352596[/snapback]

Yeah Shawn that is an intersting point. Just cram more and more houses on to less land. Then we end up just like North NJ. The only ones that are making any money are the developers/builders. And most of the planning commisions for townships aren't worth squat. Most of them have a business interst in development. Not reallyun-biased if you ask me. Rather sad.

grieker
1/30/08
9:50 AM

QUOTE(Shawn @ Jan 30 2008, 09:02 AM) [snapback]352596[/snapback]

Need help packing Shawn?

westside
1/30/08
10:03 AM

I really don't think that the problem is with people from NY & NJ coming to Lancaster County to buy homes and live here and build a better life for their families. Isn't the problem more from those coming here from different countries or citys and living free off the system where the problem is. Come to Lancaster County rent an apartment in Lancaster City for $300 per month, get food stamps, etc. and send your 8 kids to lancaster city schools and don't pay any taxes. Please

!!!!

Shawn
1/30/08
10:30 AM

QUOTE(grieker @ Jan 30 2008, 09:50 AM) [snapback]352617[/snapback]

Need help packing Shawn?

Its tempting, but it would break the collective hearts of my parents and in-laws to be so far away from their grand daughter. Maybe when I'm older and that is less of a concern we'll go ahead and make the move. It was certainly a refreshing place to visit.

Later...Shawn

BAG-17
1/30/08
10:47 AM

Shawn, Sounds like your trip went well. Glad for you!! My Sis really loves it down there, but I wasn't convinced to move yet. Guess we'll just have to take all the family, Aunts and Uncles along with us!! Start a snobby Lanc. Co. only community right there in their midst!!! Wonder how we'd sound w/ a Deutsche Mexican Accent?

Shawn
1/30/08
11:02 AM

QUOTE(BAG-17 @ Jan 30 2008, 10:47 AM) [snapback]352644[/snapback]

Yup, we had a really nice time. The rodeo actually starts this week, but they had a few things going on in town in preperation. So, we got to see some big cows. The Deutsche Mexican accent might not be that out of the ordinary there. There is actually a very big German presence in the area, as a result of German immigrants settling there many years ago. One of our fav restaurants was actually a german deli type place called Shilo's. Its only a block or so from the Alamo. If you sis hasn't been there yet, I highly recommend it.

Later...Shawn

BAG-17
1/30/08
11:10 AM

QUOTE(Shawn @ Jan 30 2008, 11:02 AM) [snapback]352648[/snapback]

I'll let her know. My aunt Mae lived in Mexico for 50 or so years working at a Mission, when she came home to good old Lanc. Co. She often would mix her PA Dutch and Spanish when talking to my grandfather. They would get a good laugh at that. She did speak Spanish with the dutchest accent.

usedmeat
1/30/08
11:14 AM

Gee, I don't know, Shawn. Texans elected George Bush as their leader. Who knows when they might turn on "outsiders"? When I think of Texas I think of Bush and Jeezofacist David Koresh, two types I wouldn't want for neigbors.

As to Lancaster County, since I not a native (parents moved here in the 1950s) My opinion won't count for much amoung the locos but we've been goin to hell in a handbasket for longer than 20 years.

One question, how long have the people that are foisting the convention center on us lived here? Are they natives?

Another question, how many good Lancaster Countians had their TIVOs going full bore for the Janet Jackson nipple episode?

It's OK to broadcast cop "reality" shows complete with fatalities but you daresn't show female anatomy.

grieker
1/30/08
11:35 AM

QUOTE(usedmeat @ Jan 30 2008, 11:14 AM) [snapback]352656[/snapback]

Another question, how many good Lancaster Countians had their TIVOs going full bore for the Janet Jackson nipple episode?

It's OK to broadcast cop "reality" shows complete with fatalities but you daresn't show female anatomy.

So which one don't you like? Reality is just that, reality. The "wardrobe malfunction" wasn't intended to be shown and having carefully reviewing the tape cannot find anything that isn't shown during some daytime soaps.

hahaha
1/30/08
1:51 PM

QUOTE

but then don't cry about it. Meh...the new yorkers are buying up all our land...meh...we used to be a moral society until the outsiders moved in...meh. Get over it. You aren't poor little indians and the outsiders didn't come and steal your land and put you on reservations. YOU SOLD OUT! You wanted the money....you got it....now deal with it.

Why would they be crying about it? If they sold out, more then likely they would be gone. Take your millions and live like a king in Mexico.

ihavehorns
1/30/08
1:56 PM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 30 2008, 01:51 PM) [snapback]352722[/snapback]

Why would they be crying about it? If they sold out, more then likely they would be gone. Take your millions and live like a king in Mexico.

Nope they're still here, they sold their farmland and now they live in crappy built new houses, trying to figure out ways to make newcomers feel unwelcome. meh.

runutz
1/30/08
2:31 PM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 30 2008, 01:56 PM) [snapback]352727[/snapback]

Nope they're still here, they sold their farmland and now they live in crappy built new houses, trying to figure out ways to make newcomers feel unwelcome. meh.

Or perhaps they are among the emptynesters flocking to downtown?

citydweller
1/30/08
2:51 PM

QUOTE(mrlancaster @ Jan 30 2008, 08:43 AM) [snapback]352590[/snapback]

Yes whirl-a-sage is still around, or so i've heard

They also busted a "masage" place on Dillersville Rd recently for offering "special" massage

This is a bit of a cross-over with another thread, but I had to laugh out loud recently when we had dinner at a Friendly's and after our meal the waiter offered us a "happy ending"

hahaha
1/30/08
3:39 PM

QUOTE

Most New Yorkers I have met here try to blend in as well as they can with their "new yawk" accents, and just want to be left alone until they can move away from this god forsaken land.

If they just want to be left alone, how do they know the people who sold them their land are still living here? Are the original land owners coming back and evangelizing to them?

mam0412
1/30/08
3:41 PM

QUOTE(Save-the-Land @ Jan 29 2008, 11:07 PM) [snapback]352529[/snapback]

My, my, my. How are we ever going to deal with globalization if we can't deal with a bunch of New Yorkers in Lancaster? This is an age old argument in any town/city. I am a native Lancastrian and moved to Virginia. I hear that argument here in Richmond all the time, "It's all the dang Yankees who moved here". The answer is, no, it isn't. It's a new world order. Hmmm . . . where have I heard that before.

Can someone tell me exactly what has gone to hell in Lancaster?

Goldilocks
1/30/08
5:13 PM

Many people move here, than act like it is such an inferior place. "YOU don't have this store or that form of entertainment or whatever, like WE did WHERE I CAME FROM," is their rallying cry. "I have to drive all the way to X to get Y," they say. And they never think far enough to realize that "back home" they didn't have these places in semi-rural areas or small cities, either. They grump and complain and imply that people who happened to have lived here all their lives are idiots and backward bumpkins. They think that after they move here and have their nice piece of Lancaster Co. pie, no one else is allowed to do anything. They are always minding everyone else’s business, trying to control everything in their neighborhoods, because the country bumpkins are too stupid to know how, even though they lived here all their lives and made it what it is today. And lastly they have a “gimme gimme” attitude, asking so much from the local municipalities, but don’t want to contribute except to complain and control.

(Disclaimer) Occasionally there will be those transplants, who are wonderful kind generous people who make an attempt to understand the culture here and have great ideas to improve things. Those people are more than welcome.

ihavehorns
1/30/08
5:35 PM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 30 2008, 05:13 PM) [snapback]352803[/snapback]

Thank you so much for that disclaimer, it's so comforting to know that the occasional "transplant" lives up to your standards.

I can't speak for the other transplants but I can say for myself that you most certainly are an idiot and a backward bumpkin.

Goldilocks
1/30/08
5:48 PM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 30 2008, 05:35 PM) [snapback]352813[/snapback]

Thank you so much for that disclaimer, it's so comforting to know that the occasional "transplant" lives up to your standards.

I can't speak for the other transplants but I can say for myself that you most certainly are an idiot and a backward bumpkin.

Thank you for confirming the statements in my previous post.

ihavehorns
1/30/08
5:50 PM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 30 2008, 05:48 PM) [snapback]352819[/snapback]

Thank you for confirming the statements in my previous post.

You're welcome, thank you for confirming mine.

Shawn
1/30/08
11:30 PM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 30 2008, 05:13 PM) [snapback]352803[/snapback]

Many people move here, than act like it is such an inferior place. "YOU don't have this store or that form of entertainment or whatever, like WE did WHERE I CAME FROM," is their rallying cry. "I have to drive all the way to X to get Y," they say. And they never think far enough to realize that "back home" they didn't have these places in semi-rural areas or small cities, either. They grump and complain and imply that people who happened to have lived here all their lives are idiots and backward bumpkins. They think that after they move here and have their nice piece of Lancaster Co. pie, no one else is allowed to do anything. They are always minding everyone else's business, trying to control everything in their neighborhoods, because the country bumpkins are too stupid to know how, even though they lived here all their lives and made it what it is today. And lastly they have a "gimme gimme" attitude, asking so much from the local municipalities, but don't want to contribute except to complain and control.

(Disclaimer) Occasionally there will be those transplants, who are wonderful kind generous people who make an attempt to understand the culture here and have great ideas to improve things. Those people are more than welcome.

Who are these people you are talking about? Exactly how many have you met? You are making statements as though they are fact based on some kind of specific evidence. What are the actual numbers? Approximately how many people have moved here and made the statments you are attributing to them? You just gotta love "they" and "them".

Later...Shawn

lanzate
1/31/08
12:01 AM

Well looks like we got up on the wrong side of the bed and now we are going to bed again on the same side.

I feel for you horns, I tried for years to make those Tokyoites think more like me. Gosh dang it those stubborn Japanese. Finally gave up and left.

Goldilocks
1/31/08
7:36 AM

QUOTE(Shawn @ Jan 30 2008, 11:30 PM) [snapback]352875[/snapback]

If you live in a municipality where there is a lot of developement going on, attending local council meetings or township meetings will give one all the evidence they need.

As I said in a previous post, not all are as I described.

ihavehorns
1/31/08
7:45 AM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 31 2008, 07:36 AM) [snapback]352919[/snapback]

Attend your local council meetings or township meetings and you will have lots of evidence and get to meet them.

What township or council meetings are you talking about. Where exactly are they located? I seriously would like to see what you are talking about. Do they list the schedules online?

Goldilocks
1/31/08
8:08 AM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 31 2008, 07:45 AM) [snapback]352921[/snapback]

What township or council meetings are you talking about. Where exactly are they located? I seriously would like to see what you are talking about. Do they list the schedules online?

Sorry, but I am not revealing what municipality I live in or what meetings I attend.

hahaha
1/31/08
8:14 AM

http://www.co.lancaster.pa.us/

Choose a municipality and look at their website. Many of the north-eastern areas are experiencing tremendous growth due to their closeness to the turnpike.

Then check out google and you get quite a find of information.

It is not just a 'Lancaster' opinion.

Check out the post on this forum:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/pennsylvani...y-advice-3.html

"At my job in Harrisburg, I worked with a woman from New York and everyone avoided her like the plague, mainly because all she talked about was how much better everyone in New York is and how sophisticated they were and how Central Pennsylvania was SUCH a backwater. Either shut up or go the hell back to New York."

"We are also looking into a possible move to Lancaster County with the NY accent and all and I alone know at least 8 other families with kids moving there within a year from NY and my cousin might from NJ, imagine how many more New Yorkers & People from NJ and so on are on the way. I'm sure the vast majority of them will fit in fine, heck if the locals arent happy, too bad, this is our country, a free one. So to all out there dont fear the state you want to move to, just be yourself and dont worry about the cocky ones who may not welcome you. Just move to Lancaster & be Happy!!!"

"Also, if you are a democrat, I'm sorry, but your vote won't count here." HAHAHA

then check-out this quote from an Amishman who opened a market stand in NYC:

"New Yorkers are very friendly, educated and civilized," he said. "It always amazes me. On the subway, they're not even shouting at each other and pushing. Country people couldn't live like that, all crowded together. They would be punching each other out."

I think he nailed it!!

Bigmaclender2
1/31/08
8:35 AM

Firstly, I have witnessed firsthand every one of you guys with the trivial typos. Why are you giving my man Gil such a hard time. This is the hatred that needs to leave Lancaster County if you want it back to the way that it was years ago.

Why aren't we targeting other people that have moved here from other places (let's say, FLORIDA!!!!) They have infested the city. At least New Yorkers add money to the economy instead of taking it all in welfare and food stamps. What is wrong with the society that we live in? It is not normal for many of these bloggers on LOL to be so narrow minded. What's up, guys???????? SHAME ON YOU

Shawn
1/31/08
8:48 AM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 31 2008, 07:36 AM) [snapback]352919[/snapback]

But, you did say "many", which implies quite a bit. The thing you are missing is that there are people who are not from NY and NJ that have a lot of the same feelings. In fact, I'm sure there are people who have lived in Lancaster their whole lives that wish X or Y store would come to the area. That wish a certain type of entertainment was available. Etc. Etc. Why is it wrong if someone from NY or NJ expresses those same concerns? Haven't you ever wished that Lanc Co had something or offered something that it doesn't currently have? Isn't that how societies advance and grow? I am not from anywhere near NY or NJ and have expressed the desire to have certain stores and ameneties available in Lancaster County. Big deal. Everyone does it.

Later...Shawn

ihavehorns
1/31/08
9:41 AM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 31 2008, 08:08 AM) [snapback]352928[/snapback]

Sorry, but I am not revealing what municipality I live in or what meetings I attend.

Why not? I'm not asking to go to a meeting with you, I just want you to back up your statements with proof. I want to see these rude, obnoxious, gimme gimme, outsiders you are talking about in action. I want to see and hear the complaining and controlling along with their rally cries of "We did it like this where I can from!" I promise to sit very quietly and just report my findings afterwards. What is the problem with that? I have no problem revealing what town I live in. Should I be afraid of the LOL'ers coming after me in the night because I'm an outsider? Stop being ridiculous and just admit that you can't stand the thought of anyone but people who have that same beliefs as you living anywhere near you. Stop making up stories, you sound like an idiot.

hahaha
1/31/08
10:25 AM

Shawn, I would hope you hold horns to the same standard:

"Many people from Lancaster county"

"Many people from here"

"Most New Yorkers"

"They sold their farmland"

"They live in crappy built new houses"

Goldilocks
1/31/08
12:47 PM

Shawn
1/31/08
1:32 PM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 31 2008, 10:25 AM) [snapback]352972[/snapback]

Absolutely. Its all about context. The context in which those statements were made is not the same as the context of Goldi's messages.

Later...Shawn

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 31 2008, 07:36 AM) [snapback]352919[/snapback]

Generally the people that go to those meetings are the types that aren't afraid to speak their mind, no matter where they are from. What I was getting at were raw numbers to back up your claims.

How many NY/NJ transplants are there in Lancaster County? Are there 10, 100, 1000, 10000 how many are there. Of those, what percentage share that attributes that you apply to "many"? Is it 1%, 10%, 50%? Finally, what is the distribution of time that NY/NJ transplants have been living in Lancaster County? Does it make sense to differntiate NY/NJ transplants that have been here for 20 years, 10 Years, 5 Years, 1 Year, 1 Month?

Later...Shawn

Goldilocks
1/31/08
2:22 PM

QUOTE(Shawn @ Jan 31 2008, 01:32 PM) [snapback]353061[/snapback]

Absolutely. Its all about context. The context in which those statements were made is not the same as the context of Goldi's messages.

LOL, Very poor excuse for not holding Horns to the same standard for her generalizations without giving "raw numbers".

Actually Shawn, If you read post 41 you will see that I never specifically mentioned "NY/NJ transplants".

ihavehorns
1/31/08
2:43 PM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 31 2008, 02:22 PM) [snapback]353091[/snapback]

Yes...you were kind enough to include ALL outsiders. Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out why you won't divulge the secret meeting place where ALL the outsiders do their complaining. Again, I'm not looking for an escort....I'm just looking to go to the meeting and see the commotion you are talking about. I've been to gatherings here in warwick and I really haven't noticed anyone causing any problems. Is there a settlement of outsiders I don't know about? Please tell me so I can go there.

Shawn
1/31/08
2:47 PM

QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jan 31 2008, 02:22 PM) [snapback]353091[/snapback]

I went back and read those statements in context of her posts. They were not on the same level as your comments. As an aside, one of my very first posts here involved me taking issue with horns generalizing people who are from Lancaster County. In the case of this thread, I don't think she has made such statements.

So, replace NY/NJ with "Transplants", and provide the numbers I requested. The percentages will be particularly interesting. Added to that, it would also be interesting to know the number of people in Lanc County that you don't consider to be "transplants", and of those, how many have complained about not having something in Lancaster County that they would like to have, or who have complained because they want to change something about they way things are. We could then contrast those two percentages and see if "many" transplants view things significantly different from those who are not considered to be "transplants".

Later...Shawn

mam0412
1/31/08
3:04 PM

I'm still waiting for an answer as to how exactly Lancaster has gone to hell. All I'm seeing on this thread is complaints about outsiders who are "different". Not exatly sure how they're different other than they complain. Now, there's a conundrum for you. I am a native Lancastrian and I know we complain and it shows we complain in this thread. So, how are complaining New Yorkers or New Jersyans different?

Anyone? crickets . . . chirp . . . chirp

ihavehorns
1/31/08
3:07 PM

Okay....I'll admit it...I want a Trader Joe's dammit! I swear, I'll never complain about another thing. really.

mam0412
1/31/08
3:10 PM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 31 2008, 04:07 PM) [snapback]353119[/snapback]

Okay....I'll admit it...I want a Trader Joe's dammit! I swear, I'll never complain about another thing. really.

LOL! Are you sure you're from New York? Seems more like you're from Lancaster!

ihavehorns
1/31/08
3:24 PM

QUOTE(mam0412 @ Jan 31 2008, 03:10 PM) [snapback]353123[/snapback]

LOL! Are you sure you're from New York? Seems more like you're from Lancaster!

OMG....I'm becoming one of THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mam0412
1/31/08
4:00 PM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 31 2008, 04:24 PM) [snapback]353132[/snapback]

OMG....I'm becoming one of THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilkomen to Lancaster. You fit right in!

twinmom
1/31/08
5:19 PM

QUOTE(mam0412 @ Jan 31 2008, 03:04 PM) [snapback]353116[/snapback]

Now, there's a conundrum for you. I am a native Lancastrian and I know we complain and it shows we complain in this thread. So, how are complaining New Yorkers or New Jersyans different?

Anyone? crickets . . . chirp . . . chirp

It's one thing to live here all your life and complain about the place, but it's another thing to move here by choice and then complain that it isn't up to snuff.

lanzate
1/31/08
5:38 PM

What a stupid thread. I've seen more broadmindedness in my 3 year old.

ihavehorns
1/31/08
6:03 PM

QUOTE(twinmom @ Jan 31 2008, 05:19 PM) [snapback]353182[/snapback]

It's one thing to live here all your life and complain about the place, but it's another thing to move here by choice and then complain that it isn't up to snuff.

So let me get this straight, if you move here...for whatever reason....you are not allowed to complain about anything, but if you are born here...you can complain as much as you want?

Listen, I've tried to be halfway decent about this whole outsider crap....but enough is enough. When I lived in New York we never even thought about this whole insider/outsider BS. We had neighbors from all over the world, forget about different states. I have just as much say as anyone when it comes to Lancaster County. I pay taxes just like you do, I work here just like you do, I have children in school just like you do, I have a vested interest...JUST LIKE YOU DO. I have the right to express ANY opinion I like, whenever I like. If you people don't like it....move. I hate it here, believe me I do. The second my son graduates high school, I plan on having a moving truck waiting outside the school. I have met many wonderful people here, but never enough to offset the nasty, obnoxious, narrow minded,rude, socially inept, cold, bigoted, holier than thou,passive-aggressive people I have had the misfortune to come across in good ol' Lancaster County. I'm from New York and I'm proud of it. Get over yourselves already.

GeezUS
1/31/08
6:28 PM

Lancaster has never been a friendly place.

I was here in the 70s and nothing has changed since I've been back at the turn of the century.

The locals didn't like "outsiders" then nor do they like them now.

The locals don't want change. I remember driving the Fruitville and Litiz pikes (above the 30) in the 70s and nothing has changed (except a few more stop lights). Yet, the population has grown dramatically (up there) so now I have to fight more traffic on the same 2 lane roads.

Step into the middle of downtown Lancaster in the 70s and look at it now and it hasn't changed much.

Step into the middle of downtown L.A. in the 70s and look at it now and you'd think you were in a completely different city.

Change is a 4-letter word in Lancaster.

lanzate
1/31/08
6:30 PM

Horns, you start a thread like this every couple months. We all know you hate it here. You hate the food, you hate the stores, you hate the houses, the religion and god knows what else. It is just tiresome.

BAG-17
1/31/08
6:35 PM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 31 2008, 03:07 PM) [snapback]353119[/snapback]

Okay....I'll admit it...I want a Trader Joe's dammit! I swear, I'll never complain about another thing. really.

Okay, What is a Trader Joe's? Don't feel like going on line to find out.
After spending a little time in Tennessee, I wouldn't mind a Wild Oats.(great organic food store plus many more neat products like make up made w/o cancer causing products, etc)but at reduced affordable prices. They were as common as Weis Mart is here.

ihavehorns
1/31/08
6:53 PM

QUOTE(lanzate @ Jan 31 2008, 06:30 PM) [snapback]353199[/snapback]

I didn't start this thread....I responded to the following:

"Gil you are correct, the old Lancaster County I loved is DEAD and gone. We used to be more moral than other places and it was previously a great place to live and raise kids.....not so much anymore. I'm not sure when it happened but this formerly wonderful place has changed dramatically for the worse. Just too many outsiders have moved here. Too many people from NY and NJ, ironically moved here for a better life, and they have ruined it for the rest of us. All those pushy, overly materialistic, agressive outsiders have spoiled this wonderful place. I wish they'd all move away but it doesn't matter anymore, the well is spoiled for good."

QUOTE(lanzate @ Jan 31 2008, 06:30 PM) [snapback]353199[/snapback]

You hate the food, you hate the stores, you hate the houses, the religion and god knows what else. It is just tiresome.

I don't don't think I've ever said I hate the food here, I do hate the new houses that are being built...I think they are made with cheap materials and poorly built, I don't hate the religion...as a matter of fact...you may not realize there is more than ONE religion here in Lancaster. I do hate the people that call themselves Christians but are evil to the core, and last but not least, I do not hate the stores....I love the fact that they have grocery baggers here BUT, I want a Trader Joes.

That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it...just like you are. Do I hate it here, well...actually I LOVE Lancaster County. It's a beautiful place...too bad so many natives make it ugly. I guess I should edit my answer and say NO...I don't hate it here....I hate many of the locals.

BAG-17
1/31/08
6:58 PM

QUOTE(GeezUS @ Jan 31 2008, 06:28 PM) [snapback]353197[/snapback]

It seems we can't see past the end of our noses, and this goes back for many generations. We don't have ROOM for change look at the narrow streets built many years ago, in Lancaster, Manheim, and other small towns all around. Then you travel to others areas built about the same time frame and they have wide streets through their towns. Some one had forethought and decided not to build too close just in case there was a "future" for that town. Probably had heated discussions at those town meetings. Some one probably thought it was asinine to build such wide avenues through town!! The later generations certainly appreciated their thinking. As we would have liked our towns forefathers to have had better planning for the future.

We all get stuck in the mud. Outsiders/Insiders some people are just plain cantankerous regardless of where they were from originally. Even some of the born and bred here still have their own nucleous within themselves to keep others out, who also have lived here all their lives. I'm also sure "we" in Lanc. Co. didn't start this fire. It's in every community home or abroad.

Ive Often heard if you're not happy single you certainly won't be married. Well if you cant figure a way to find happiness here, you won't find it at another local. The grass is always greener....

hahaha
1/31/08
7:51 PM

QUOTE

Absolutely. Its all about context.

Remember that in the bible verse threads....

twinmom
1/31/08
8:39 PM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Jan 31 2008, 06:03 PM) [snapback]353193[/snapback]

So why are you waiting? Seriously, don't you think your son would benefit from being raised in a less hostile environment? You have a vested interest you say, but then you turn around and say that you plan on moving as soon as your son graduates. I have a vested interest as I plan on being here for the rest of my life. The difference is I was born and raised here, you moved here by choice and now you're insulting us. I really have no problem with transplants, but when they move here and start bitching about the locals, then I have a problem. I usually like your posts, but your ranting on the obnoxiousness of Lancaster county is really getting old. I just think it's poor form to move to a place and then rail against the people who have been here for generations. It's one thing to complain and want change, I think we'd all like something changed about Lancaster County, but it's a whole other can of beans constantly belittle it. I'm not trying to be rude, but I am just tired of hearing how bad it is here. And I agree the new houses are carpily built and they should just stop building them.

ihavehorns
2/1/08
6:31 AM

QUOTE(twinmom @ Jan 31 2008, 08:39 PM) [snapback]353231[/snapback]

No one is railing against the people. I am responding to the constant onslaught of insults against anyone who doesn't have 3 generations of relatives living here. After awhile, you aren't just going to sit there and let people call you rude, loud, obnoxious, pushy, whatever....after awhile you are going to start throwing some names back out there too. People move here for various reasons, mostly to settle down and have a quiet life. When we moved here we certainly weren't prepared for the cold shoulder treatment we received from many people. We definitely weren't prepared after finding out the reason people were treating us like that was only because we were from New York. How would you feel if your husband got a new job and you HAD to move somewhere else, only to find you weren't wanted there by the locals? How would you feel if you not only heard about it and felt it, but you also read these opinions in the local paper? I love when people give us advice as if WE did something wrong. Oh, you mean greeting people with a hello and a smile, giving out homemade cookies on holidays, inviting people over for coffee, volunteering at school, etc. isn't enough? In the beginning I did many of these things. The best was when I would volunteer at school only to be completely ignored by the other moms. Well, one did come up to me when she saw me drinking a bottled water and told me there was nothing wrong with the water here, it's not like New York, and then turned and walked away. After dealing with those kinds of encounters, year after year....you do get sick of it. I have tons of friends here, most of them are from other parts of the state, or other states completely. Only a handful are from here. Funny thing is this, the ones that are from here KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. They readily admit how cold some people can be, and also how ignorant it is. My husband and I both have good jobs, we are decent people, and we are good neighbors...what else should we be doing? If after all these years we are still hearing about how the locals hate "outsiders" something is wrong. We DID have a vested interest here. We DID plan on living here forever. However, I finally realized that it's not me, I'm not the problem here. I have tried every way possible to fit and and guess what...it's not happening. Now, I don't want to fit in. I have met so many people who feel exactly the way I feel. Good people, great personalities, good citizens.....all made to feel the same way. When are you people going to learn that we don't want to ruin anything. We want a good life too. We want our children to have good lives. Diversity is a good thing. Stop blaming everything that happens around here on the outsiders. Look at the crime and murders that have happened lately. Who shot the amish kids? Who killed their parents? Who is having affairs with students? Who is trashing churches? Unfortunately, it doesn't matter where you come from. People do really bad things, EVERYWHERE. If you build a place up and encourage people to come, you can't treat them like crap once they get here. The "this is how it's always been done" attitude doesn't fly anymore. Things change, sometimes for the better. I have family living in several different states and none of them have come across this sort of thing. One of my family members lives in the deep south and can't stop talking about how friendly everyone is.

Finally, if this was just me saying these things it would be one thing. But, this county has a terrible reputation for being unfriendly. Everyone has something to offer, not just the locals.

justplainjoe
2/1/08
7:00 AM

QUOTE(GeezUS @ Jan 31 2008, 07:28 PM) [snapback]353197[/snapback]

The locals didn't like "outsiders" then nor do they like them now.

yes but in all fairness they don't like each other either.LOL

twinmom
2/1/08
7:45 AM

QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Feb 1 2008, 06:31 AM) [snapback]353299[/snapback]

Yeah, I know what you mean, after awhile we do get tired of hearing it. I apologize for my rant, of course I realize it does nothing for the "friendliness" of Lancaster. If we are an unfriendly area, why do people want to move here then, or do they just find out how unfriendly we are after they get here? I think I've always viewed this "unfriendly attitude" as more of a "keep to yourself attitude". I know I've been called snobby and I don't think I am. Maybe when it comes to some things I am, obnoxious people for instance. I think it's great that you did all those things when you moved here, a lot of people don't do them even when they do live here. And just for the record, I would never hold it against you that you are from New York and I'd like a Trader Joe's too.

And, I've drank the water here and it needs some help. There's idiots everywhere. Have a nice day!

ihavehorns
2/1/08
8:12 AM

QUOTE(twinmom @ Feb 1 2008, 07:45 AM) [snapback]353316[/snapback]

And, I've drank the water here and it needs some help. There's idiots everywhere. Have a nice day!

Honestly I think the problem lies on both sides. To make it in New York, you have to be VERY competitive. You HAVE to be aggressive, in your job, riding on the subway, at the grocery store, etc. It's kind of like the survival of the fittest atmosphere. You are always in a rush, you are always fighting crowds, you are always in this hyper mode. Working in Manhattan every day, and just walking to work is like a battle. You walk like someone is chasing you (in high heels no less!) It's like you're on some kind of mission. It is very exciting, but also very draining. People who come here, want to get out of the rat race. It took me a long time to settle down and to slow down when I moved here. I know exactly what type of New Yorkers you are talking about when you describe the rude, obnoxious behavior. I can't stand those types of people either. I'm just saying, a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch. Most of us want nothing more than to live a quiet life. (and a trader joe's of course!) It's just that after so many years of living here, you would think I would feel like this is my home and I don't. That's sad. I wanted to put down roots here, but I want to live somewhere where I feel like I belong. I'm not going to lose my accent any time soon, and it seems like I'm being judged on that alone. It starts to get to you after awhile. As I said before, I have met some lovely people here, but we never seem to feel like this is our home too. After 9/11 everyone was so nice for awhile. I saw local people wearing 9/11 NYPD shirts and thought that was so nice, what happened?
I hate obnoxious people too. I am very social in social settings, but for the most part I just like doing my own thing. I like to plant things, read, go to the gym....I don't really bother anyone. I'm certainly not rallying at township meetings!
Who knows, maybe things will get better. I hope so. One thing is for sure....if trader joe's comes, you're going to have to deal with me FOREVER!!

Shawn
2/1/08
8:28 AM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 31 2008, 07:51 PM) [snapback]353225[/snapback]

Remember that in the bible verse threads....

Agreed...thats why I don't quote the bible and think its silly to do so. Individual passages loose context when extracted on their own.

Later...Shawn

hahaha
2/1/08
8:30 AM

For me, it is not a matter of being friendly, it is a matter of earning my trust. I tend to look at the good in people. However, after being taken advantage of, $hit on numerous times and being robbed blind, I am not so quick to accept people in to my circle. Once you have earned my trust, I will give you the shirt off my back. As some of the links pointed out this tends to be a trait of the german people that have settled here and still maintain a wide majority. As for your friend down south, tell them to be very careful. I do a lot of business in the south and yes the people do tend to be outwardly friendly. However they will stab you in the back in a heartbeat. I'd much rather know exactly who my true friends are then dealing with that crap.

BeingReal
2/1/08
9:06 AM

IMO, one of the more unfriendly places in the US is Dallas, TX where money and image is everything. I know some may not agree with me, but I seriously considered moving there when I was younger (had a job offer, chance to take my graduate classes at SMU, found an apt., ets.). When I realized I'd probably not make many new friends there despite any efforts on my part because so many people focused on superficial things and $, I opted to stay here. I never regretted it...and my friend who lived there moved back to NYC.

justplainjoe
2/1/08
9:22 AM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Feb 1 2008, 09:30 AM) [snapback]353330[/snapback]

Once you have earned my trust, I will give you the shirt off my back.

just out of curiousity, what size would that be?

dodgecrew
2/1/08
10:34 AM

QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Feb 1 2008, 09:22 AM) [snapback]353355[/snapback]

just out of curiousity, what size would that be?

Do you think that you have earned his trust yet?

hahaha
2/1/08
11:09 AM

4 - do you want it?

usedmeat
2/1/08
11:42 AM

I've seen the ebb and flow of population in Lancaster County since the 1950's when up the block was a dead end street surrounded by corn feilds. The first push came when Rome AFB was closed and the people transferred to Olmstead. When Olmstead was decommissioned the population ebbed for a bit.

I was raised in Elizabethtown and remember going to the stores to buy model kits only to find the stores closed. For some reason all the stores closed Wednesday afternoon. I thought it was some wierd religious thing. I never did find out.
More than once I rode my bike into town only to find I got there right at 12 noon or a minute or two after and was told'"Too bad kid, come back tomorrow."
Anyway Parkcity opened and the local merchants lost business to it. I wonder how manty of those customers went shopping in E-town only to find the stores closed then drove to Parkcity instead. Rather than change the store owners beeped and moaned about it.

Amzonprincss
2/1/08
12:21 PM

Ephrata was like that, too. All the stores closed at noon on Wed. As a child, I was told that it was because of them being open on Saturday (til noon). So they could have 2 full days off - even if they were one full day on Sunday and two half days on Wed & Sat.

Still didn't make sense to me, but hey... whatever. Park City was open, right?

BeingReal
2/1/08
1:09 PM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Feb 1 2008, 11:09 AM) [snapback]353402[/snapback]

4 - do you want it?

I thought you were supposed to offer the shirt off of YOUR back, not your child's!

justplainjoe
2/1/08
1:18 PM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Feb 1 2008, 12:09 PM) [snapback]353402[/snapback]

4 - do you want it?

is that a lady's size 4 or boys size 4?

hahaha
2/1/08
7:21 PM

that would be a woman's size 4 - figured you for the type to wear woman's clothing - especially undergarments

BAG-17
2/1/08
7:24 PM

QUOTE(hahaha @ Feb 1 2008, 07:21 PM) [snapback]353578[/snapback]

that would be a woman's size 4 - figured you for the type to wear woman's clothing - especially undergarments

Then he'd probably need mine, mine usually has a 2 in front of that 4!!