Too soon to play the card? Nah.

January 5th, 2008 2:01 pm · 44 comments

The right’s race-baiting of Obama? It’s already begun (emphasis added)…

Did the weakest Dem candidate for the general election won tonight? I think so. By sending forth Hussein Osama out of Iowa, Democrats have unwittingly weakened their general election prospects.

Hussein’s exotic mixture of radical liberalism, Kwanzaa Socialism, antipathy towards the unborn, and weakness against his jihadi brethren will all come back to destroy him against almost any Republican opponent, even the snake-grope from Hope.

I think we as Republicans should be celebrating tonight at the coronation of Hussein, in whose presence millions of Democrat women, from elementary school teachers to journalism majors to law school grads to dykes on bikes will go weak in their knees.

As defenders of this great Republic, and of the pinnacle of Western civilization that it represents, we should all come together tonight and agree on a common strategy that will keep the White House from becoming a madrassa.

The Freepers never disappoint in their ability to live down to expectations.

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usedmeat
1/6/08
11:11 PM
Freerepublic the heart and soul of the republican party.
jetscott
1/7/08
12:07 AM
QUOTE(usedmeat @ Jan 7 2008, 12:11 AM) [snapback]347171[/snapback]
Freerepublic the heart and soul of the republican party.
they're already resorting to the nasty emails. i just got one from a bunch of hoopies up in the etown area stating obama is a muslim and he doesn't recite the pledge of allegiance, etc. these people are something else. they're just too afraid to come out and admit that they won't vote for him because he's black. but if he was on the "R" ticket, they just might. blink.gif
philly54
1/7/08
1:02 AM
QUOTE(jetscott @ Jan 7 2008, 12:07 AM) [snapback]347178[/snapback]
they're already resorting to the nasty emails. i just got one from a bunch of hoopies up in the etown area stating obama is a muslim and he doesn't recite the pledge of allegiance, etc. these people are something else. they're just too afraid to come out and admit that they won't vote for him because he's black. but if he was on the "R" ticket, they just might. blink.gif


All of these type of things show me just one thing. They are afraid of him! Very afraid that he just might pull this whole thing off! And by the way the Clinton machine isn't all that bad at this sort of thing either (just to be fair). It's way to early for me to say who I might vote for this Nov. might be a Rep. might be a Dem. depends who the nominees are and their pick for running mate. But I can say this. When the opposing party goes negative (especially when it's total BS) it does sway my opinion, just not in the direction that they wanted.

littledutchboy
1/7/08
9:42 AM
No one will play the race card………….ah I’m sorry that card has already been played by Ophra Winfrey, the only reason she’s backing O bomber is because he’s black!



PS the only thing O bomber got going for him is charisma, no experience, no finite plan to fix any of our troubles no nothing of any substance. Don’t think it’s possible to BS ones way into the White House anymore. The only way the last BSer got in was because of a guy named Ross. No Ross running this time. Sorry!!!



O bomber will self implode like that other Demo ….what was his name?



QUOTE(philly54 @ Jan 7 2008, 02:02 AM) [snapback]347190[/snapback]


All of these type of things show me just one thing. They are afraid of him! Very afraid that he just might pull this whole thing off! And by the way the Clinton machine isn't all that bad at this sort of thing either (just to be fair). It's way to early for me to say who I might vote for this Nov. might be a Rep. might be a Dem. depends who the nominees are and their pick for running mate. But I can say this. When the opposing party goes negative (especially when it's total BS) it does sway my opinion, just not in the direction that they wanted.





It will not be the opposing party that goes negitive......trust me, it will be his own party! we aint seen nothing yet! cool.gif

Hope
1/7/08
11:52 AM
I watched both debates on Saturday and I thought they were very interesting.
I have to say I was extremely disappointed in John McCain. I've always liked him; he has straddled the isle more than anyone I can think of and has much more foreign affairs experience than the other republicans running but his behavior was immature and appalling. His negative attacks at Mit Romney were just uncalled for and didn't make Mit look bad they made HIM look like a poor sport.

Rudy made a very good point, I thought, in this time of war and the threat of a nuclear attack, he said, the American people can't afford a president without executive experience. Obama and Hillary have never balanced a budget or run a state (or a City) we don't want on the job training he said.

For the Dem's I think Obama came out as the strongest candidate during the debates with Edwards a close second, however I was impressed with Richardson. He has had more experience than I originally thought and has the highest security clearance of all on the stage, which Hillary didn't seem to like because when he said that it was the only time I saw her take some notes.

Obama and Edwards teamed up on Hillary and she didn't like it. She came across as angry and kept saying that she is THE agent for change because of her 35 years of making change but never really said what she has changed. I still have no idea what she has ever done. I mean I know she was a lawyer and was mixed up in a scandal at her firm and then was the first lady and then a senator but what exactly did she do?

They all looked tired except for Edwards he had some energy. He gave an example of something he did do to make change; he work with two other Senators to get the Patients Bill of Rights passed in the Senate. It failed in the House but at least he gave an example of what he did to make change.

Obama talked about how he never voted for the war. He has been against it from the beginning. He didn't vote for the surge, either. He was very poised and focused. I thought he was articulate and outlined his agenda fairly well.

Over all I think the Dems were not as nasty as the repubs but I think the Repubs have more experience except maybe for Richardson.
littledutchboy
1/7/08
12:11 PM
QUOTE(Hope @ Jan 7 2008, 12:52 PM) [snapback]347259[/snapback]
I watched both debates on Saturday and I thought they were very interesting.
I have to say I was extremely disappointed in John McCain. I've always liked him; he has straddled the isle more than anyone I can think of and has much more foreign affairs experience than the other republicans running but his behavior was immature and appalling. His negative attacks at Mit Romney were just uncalled for and didn't make Mit look bad they made HIM look like a poor sport.

Rudy made a very good point, I thought, in this time of war and the threat of a nuclear attack, he said, the American people can't afford a president without executive experience. Obama and Hillary have never balanced a budget or run a state (or a City) we don't want on the job training he said.

For the Dem's I think Obama came out as the strongest candidate during the debates with Edwards a close second, however I was impressed with Richardson. He has had more experience than I originally thought and has the highest security clearance of all on the stage, which Hillary didn't seem to like because when he said that it was the only time I saw her take some notes.

Obama and Edwards teamed up on Hillary and she didn't like it. She came across as angry and kept saying that she is THE agent for change because of her 35 years of making change but never really said what she has changed. I still have no idea what she has ever done. I mean I know she was a lawyer and was mixed up in a scandal at her firm and then was the first lady and then a senator but what exactly did she do?

They all looked tired except for Edwards he had some energy. He gave an example of something he did do to make change; he work with two other Senators to get the Patients Bill of Rights passed in the Senate. It failed in the House but at least he gave an example of what he did to make change.

Obama talked about how he never voted for the war. He has been against it from the beginning. He didn't vote for the surge, either. He was very poised and focused. I thought he was articulate and outlined his agenda fairly well.

Over all I think the Dems were not as nasty as the repubs but I think the Repubs have more experience except maybe for Richardson.




Richardson does have experience…….and that is what will doom him.



Do you remember the dressing down Richardson got from Sen. Byrd from W Va at a hearing back in the 90’s? I forget the topic, but I can assure you that others have not and it will be used against him if he rises toward the top, which he probably will not do.



Experience = taking a stand = you just peed off ½ the people. Probably the reason why only 2 senators were ever elected president.



PS there is no way Edwards the ambulance chaser ever gets elected…anyone got a good lawyer joke?….other then Edwards? cool.gif



Hope
1/7/08
12:44 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jan 7 2008, 12:11 PM) [snapback]347272[/snapback]



PS there is no way Edwards the ambulance chaser ever gets elected…anyone got a good lawyer joke?….other then Edwards? cool.gif


Edwards was aligning himself with Obama, making my husband and me think that they were going to be on the ticket together.
usedmeat
1/7/08
12:52 PM
QUOTE(littledoucheboy @ Jan 7 2008, 09:42 AM) [snapback]347210[/snapback]
No one will play the race card………….ah I'm sorry that card has already been played by Ophra Winfrey, the only reason she's backing O bomber is because he's black!



PS the only thing O bomber got going for him is charisma, no experience, no finite plan to fix any of our troubles no nothing of any substance. Don't think it's possible to BS ones way into the White House anymore. The only way the last BSer got in was because of a guy named Ross. No Ross running this time. Sorry!!!



O bomber will self implode like that other Demo ….what was his name?







It will not be the opposing party that goes negitive......trust me, it will be his own party! we aint seen nothing yet! cool.gif



Gosh, I didn't know that Peroit ran in 2000 laugh.gif .
cyberscribbler
1/7/08
1:17 PM
QUOTE(usedmeat @ Jan 7 2008, 12:52 PM) [snapback]347288[/snapback]


Gosh, I didn't know that Peroit ran in 2000 laugh.gif .
I think he meant Nader. wink.gif
harv1
1/7/08
1:30 PM
Hope: I too am impressed by Richardson. Always have been. As for McCain, what you saw the other night is nothing compared to what many Arizonans have seen of him close up. He can be quite nasty and petty and in arenas like these debates, his 'true colors' are bound to come out. He has a number of skeletons in his own closet and will go on the attack to protect them. He was one of the Keating Five, has a 'marryin' for money' history, and the saga of his wife's drug addiction and prescription forgeries and looting a childrens' charity of addictive drugs make Nicole Bush's past drug problems look like nothing in comparison. Several innocent people's careers and reputations were ruined in the McCain's attempt to cover her crimes. You or I would still be cooling our heels in jail.
Daisy Lee Myers
1/7/08
1:49 PM
i like bill richardson and soon to be michael bloomberg!

yes, i'm getting READY for the REAL contenders!



BY THE WAY.. IT AIN'T THE RACE CARD, BUT THE OPRAH CARD!


OPRAH-10

LADDY BILL-0


adios


daisy

Miami Beach


ps-FLORIDA PRIMARY COMING SOON..



web link:

Florida's early primary draws candidates _ and political fights - 12/25/2007 - MiamiHerald.com

http://www.miamiherald.com/775/story/356668.html


actually a nice summation of the happenings in NEW HAMPSHIRE


Voting for a Smile - New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/opinion/06dowd.html
Lysol54
1/7/08
1:52 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jan 7 2008, 10:42 AM) [snapback]347210[/snapback]
No one

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[size="3"]PS the only thing O bomber got going for him is charisma, no experience, no finite plan to fix any of our troubles no nothing of any substance. Don't think it's possible to BS ones way into the White House anymore. The only way the last BSer got in was because of a guy named Ross. No Ross running this time. Sorry!!!






Since when is experience the deciding factor? He has alot more than charisma going for him. I guess your just upset that the entire Repub field is a bunch of crazies. Repubs are getting waxed in '08. The only way then can win is if they rig the election, and after the recent convictions of a few republican agents for election tampering, i wouldn't put that past them. I'm sure you voted for GW in '00 and '04. He'd never succeeded in anything during his business career, and didn't have much luck in politics either. Did experience matter to you then??? At least Obama can complete a sentence and sound some-what intelligent doing it. More than i can say for GW.


Hope
1/7/08
2:28 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jan 7 2008, 01:52 PM) [snapback]347296[/snapback]

Since when is experiance the deciding factor? He has alot more than charisma going for him. I guess your just upset that the entire Repub field is a bunch of crazies. Repubs are getting waxed in '08. The only way then can win is if they rig the election, and after the recent convictions of a few republican agents for election tampering, i wouldn't put that past them. I'm sure you voted for GW in '00 and '04. He'd never succeded in anything during his business career, and didn't have much luck in politics either. Did experiance matter to you then??? At least Obama can complete a sentance and sound some-what intelligant doing it. More than i can say for GW.


I'm sorry but if you are going to talk about how some one can "at least" put a sentence together and sound somewhat intelligent then maybe you should spell the words correctly when you are doing it.
Lysol54
1/7/08
2:39 PM
QUOTE(Hope @ Jan 7 2008, 03:28 PM) [snapback]347303[/snapback]


I'm sorry but if you are going to talk about how some one can "at least" put a sentence together and sound somewhat intelligent then maybe you should spell the words correctly when you are doing it.




I'm not the one thats running for prez Hope. But thanks for the heads up. I'll make sure i check your posts now for spelling and grammer.

littledutchboy
1/7/08
2:48 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jan 7 2008, 02:52 PM) [snapback]347296[/snapback]




Since when is experience the deciding factor? He has alot more than charisma going for him. I guess your just upset that the entire Repub field is a bunch of crazies. Repubs are getting waxed in '08. The only way then can win is if they rig the election, and after the recent convictions of a few republican agents for election tampering, i wouldn't put that past them. I'm sure you voted for GW in '00 and '04. He'd never succeeded in anything during his business career, and didn't have much luck in politics either. Did experience matter to you then??? At least Obama can complete a sentence and sound some-what intelligent doing it. More than i can say for GW.






Who knows experience may turn out to be the deciding factor. O boomer is a freshman senator with terms in the Illinois state house …..big freeken deal.



O boomer doesn’t have a snowballs chance in helllll to win the presidency even if he becomes the “media darling”. Or even if he is on 200 Ophra Winfrey shows.



PS keep in mind that GW kicked your people’s rear ends…twice, even though he is the worst public speaker I ever heard.

biggrin.gif

Kate
1/7/08
2:53 PM
Any thoughts, good or bad, on Huckabee?? I've also heard Duncan Hunter speak locally but rarely hear anything about him in the news.
Hope
1/7/08
3:01 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jan 7 2008, 02:48 PM) [snapback]347309[/snapback]


O boomer doesn’t have a snowballs chance in helllll to win the presidency even if he becomes the “media darling”. Or even if he is on 200 Ophra Winfrey shows.



You're a real idiot if you think that! He is gaining momentum every day. He is articulate and intelligent. He is much more at easy in these debates than Hillary. I can't say who the Democrats will pick for certain but he has a great shot at it.
Lysol54
1/7/08
3:12 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jan 7 2008, 03:48 PM) [snapback]347309[/snapback]



PS keep in mind that GW kicked your people's rear ends…twice, even though he is the worst public speaker I ever heard.

biggrin.gif





I wouldn't call '00 and '04 kicking my peoples rear ends. Might want to go check your facts alittle bit there LDB. In 2000 he stole the election, he won in '04 but i wouldn't call it any type of kicking. Plus with all the stuff that happened in Ohio and a few other places you really have to wonder about '04 too.



So if Obama doesn't have a snowballs chance then, I guess you'll be supporting Huckabee? Now theres a real winner. blink.gif If you don't think Obamas got a chance, might wanna check your boy out real good. They are gonna nail him to the wall, if he gets the nomination.

hahaha
1/7/08
3:37 PM
QUOTE
Any thoughts, good or bad, on Huckabee?


I think he would make a great leader. He is well spoken. Has some great ideas. Read some of his positions. Not your ordinary Republican. Not part of the 'establishment' in DC and everyone says he is a very nice person and a great guy.

If Rush and Sean Hannity don't care for him - that should be reason enough to like him!!

Of course as you may have read on some threads, he is the poster boy for the religious right. So that alone has a percentage of the country dismissing him. Of course the same goes for the far left candidate in the lead. So it will be up to the middle to decide.

If there are no major surprises and it does end up to be Huckabee vs Obama, my personal opinion is it will be a very close race and will follow similar lines of 2000/2004. Major metro areas voting left and southern and middle sections voting right.
Hammer
1/7/08
3:58 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jan 7 2008, 02:39 PM) [snapback]347306[/snapback]




I'm not the one thats running for prez Hope. But thanks for the heads up. I'll make sure i check your posts now for spelling and grammer.



Meowwww rolleyes.gif

If Obama is the Democratic candidate at election time the Repulicans will hold on to the White House.
ArtVandolay
1/7/08
4:29 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jan 5 2008, 02:05 PM) [snapback]346965[/snapback]


Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.




Gil - I am not familiar with this site - how did you find it? Must of looked hard. .



But then - why would Hillary's people research Obama's elementary school papers? Like he said he wanted to be president when he was very young - Like that is just being a little too ambitious! Gee what an opportunist that Obama is!How do they find this stuff? Guess they can did up anything on anyone. Thank God, I am not running for anything.



Also, why would they suggest that the republicans will accuse Obama of dealing drugs? THEY put it put there, not the republicans.



But understand, crackpots are on both sides of the aisle. The site you linked is out there and has no influence.

Alyssarah1
1/7/08
5:02 PM
QUOTE(ArtVandolay @ Jan 7 2008, 05:29 PM) [snapback]347322[/snapback]

Gil - I am not familiar with this site - how did you find it? Must of looked hard. .
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But understand, crackpots are on both sides of the aisle. The site you linked is out there and has no influence.



Wow, Art, can't believe anyone isn't familiar with Free Republic. It's read regularly by many politicos and has had frequent mention in the MSM over the years.

I personally prefer Duncan Hunter even though I don't think he has a snowball's chance. Then there's always Mr. Potato Head. smile.gif



littledutchboy
1/7/08
5:50 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jan 7 2008, 04:12 PM) [snapback]347315[/snapback]




I wouldn't call '00 and '04 kicking my peoples rear ends. Might want to go check your facts alittle bit there LDB. In 2000 he stole the election, he won in '04 but i wouldn't call it any type of kicking. Plus with all the stuff that happened in Ohio and a few other places you really have to wonder about '04 too.



So if Obama doesn't have a snowballs chance then, I guess you'll be supporting Huckabee? Now theres a real winner. blink.gif If you don't think Obamas got a chance, might wanna check your boy out real good. They are gonna nail him to the wall, if he gets the nomination.





Presidential Elections are not like playing grenades, you must win to be President not just get close to winning! Please save us the sour grapes…and boo hoos



It’s way to early to pick a winner, but not too early to pick apart all the losers, this is the Demos election to loose and that’s probably what they will do, by way of eating their own or bruising their candidates beyond recognition.



The more support O boomer gets in the form of primary votes the more he will become a target…from both sides, maybe it’s not a good strategy to be an early front runner because I doubt very much Hillary and the others will go down quietly.



Lets get ready to rumble! smile.gif



NativeBlue
1/7/08
5:51 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jan 7 2008, 03:48 PM) [snapback]347309[/snapback]

O boomer doesn't have a snowballs chance in helllll to win the presidency even if he becomes the "media darling". Or even if he is on 200 Ophra Winfrey shows.

Not sure about that. My dad & sister — hardcore conservatives who defended Bush until VERY recently — told me yesterday that they were REALLY impressed with Obama and might even consider voting for him. They feel, like many people do, that he brings a real energy and vision to the race.

I'll tell you what...I just about dropped dead when they said this. My dad reads Ann Coulter books for crying out loud!! If Obama can make my family take note, he might just be able to pick up enough swing voters to win.
lanzate
1/7/08
5:58 PM
QUOTE(Hammer @ Jan 7 2008, 03:58 PM) [snapback]347320[/snapback]

Meowwww rolleyes.gif

If Obama is the Democratic candidate at election time the Repulicans will hold on to the White House.



I have no idea why you would say that.
bigstew
1/7/08
9:09 PM
QUOTE(jetscott @ Jan 7 2008, 12:07 AM) [snapback]347178[/snapback]
they're already resorting to the nasty emails. i just got one from a bunch of hoopies up in the etown area stating obama is a muslim and he doesn't recite the pledge of allegiance, etc. these people are something else. they're just too afraid to come out and admit that they won't vote for him because he's black. but if he was on the "R" ticket, they just might. blink.gif
How can they not vote for him based on color, but do so if he had an R beside his name?



BRILLIANT!

Artie See
1/7/08
10:01 PM
It is glaringly obvious that both the Republican and Democratic establishment - and their candidates - are scared shirtless about Barack Obama.

NONE of them know how to deal with a candidate who comes from outside the political establishment which has consumed BOTH mainstream political parties.

That is why he's being attacked from all sides.

The WORST thing that could happen to the political establishment is for the general election to be between an establishment candidate vs. an outsider. In this current political climate, the outsider is guaranteed to have the upper hand.
Lancaster
1/7/08
10:14 PM
QUOTE(Artie See @ Jan 7 2008, 11:01 PM) [snapback]347352[/snapback]
It is glaringly obvious that both the Republican and Democratic establishment - and their candidates - are scared shirtless about Barack Obama.

NONE of them know how to deal with a candidate who comes from outside the political establishment which has consumed BOTH mainstream political parties.

That is why he's being attacked from all sides.

The WORST thing that could happen to the political establishment is for the general election to be between an establishment candidate vs. an outsider. In this current political climate, the outsider is guaranteed to have the upper hand.




Help me out here Artie - what makes him an 'outsider'?

Artie See
1/7/08
10:28 PM
QUOTE(Lancaster @ Jan 7 2008, 10:14 PM) [snapback]347357[/snapback]
Help me out here Artie - what makes him an 'outsider'?
IN MY OPINION: Obama doesn't have a long record of association with Washington politics. He doesn't owe scores of favors to other politicians or established special interests. And it is entirely possible that his actions if he were to be elected President will offend many long-established political forces and special interests.

I was reading Obama's web site just a little bit ago. Many of his stands are too liberal for my taste. But compare the promises of GW Bush's first presidential campaign to what he actually has delivered, and it quickly becomes apparent that the realities of politics and the real world often mean that most political promises are soon forgotten.
philly54
1/7/08
10:40 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jan 7 2008, 09:42 AM) [snapback]347210[/snapback]
No one will play the race card………….ah I'm sorry that card has already been played by Ophra Winfrey, the only reason she's backing O bomber is because he's black!




So then, with your way of thinking Chuck Norris is stumping for Huckabee why?Because his white?

hahaha
1/7/08
10:49 PM
Chuck is now an outspoken Christian. Check out his book The Justice Riders and he serves on the board of NCBCPS, an organization the promotes the use of the Bible and prayer in public schools. He also publicly states he believes in creationism. :ohmy:

Norris quote from October, 2007:
""I believe the only one who has all of the characteristics to lead America forward into the future is ex-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee."
philly54
1/7/08
11:14 PM
QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 7 2008, 10:49 PM) [snapback]347363[/snapback]
Chuck is now an outspoken Christian. Check out his book The Justice Riders and he serves on the board of NCBCPS, an organization the promotes the use of the Bible and prayer in public schools. He also publicly states he believes in creationism. :ohmy:

Norris quote from October, 2007:
""I believe the only one who has all of the characteristics to lead America forward into the future is ex-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee."


That was sort of my point, to generalize and say Ophra Winfrey is promoting Obama simply because they are both black is just as ignorant as suggesting Norris is doing the same.

8220GRUMPY
1/7/08
11:21 PM
What we really need is a clean slate on both sides to really get anything done in Washington, from top to bottom. As long as you have the same people in there nothing will ever get done, it doesn't matter who becomes President.

Once you get fresh faces in there they will have to get things done to prove themselves.



Obama talks a good game, that's why so many people like him. The only person that I hear talking about things that really matter to the American people is Mike Huckabee. Is he perfect, no. But I want to hear about plans, what you would do if and when you become President. Not all these slogans to get people all hyped up (change, hope) what does that have to do with fixing the real problems we have in this country. This healthcare bit will go no place fast folks. It would take many years to change to a different system, it sure isn't going to happen overnight like many would make it seem. Our tax system is so out of wack the IRS doesn't even understand it anymore. Gas prices are almost $2.00 a gallon higher then they were just five years ago. We need to do something with that fast, or the working man and woman won't be able to afford to start their car to go to work. Food prices are getting higher and higher, again alot of that comes back to transpotation costs (fuel). People are losing their homes at a high rate. Much due to people given way to much credit that they couldn't possibly ever pay back. People need to start living within their means and stop trying to live like the rich and famous.



Let's not get caught up in the BS that we all heard a couple years ago. We need to hear about real plans for real people.



Obama being black doesn't bother me at the least. But if I want to hear a sermon I will go to church. I don't care that a women would be President, but this is today and not 10 or 20 years ago. Stop trying to Bill and be Hillary.



The current system and the people we have running it doesn't work for us. It is time for us to elect from the outside of Washington, and get rid of the ones that are there now on both sides of the isle.



This is just my opinion...

citydweller
1/8/08
12:08 AM
But do you really, in your heart, trust any of them as much as you trust your dog?

Change isn't always instigated by making choices. Sometimes it comes about because there is a lack of choices wink.gif
iconoclast
1/8/08
6:27 AM
[quote name='8220GRUMPY' date='Jan 8 2008, 12:21 AM' post='347368']


"Obama being black doesn't bother me at the least. But if I want to hear a sermon I will go to church. I don't care that a women would be President, but this is today and not 10 or 20 years ago. Stop trying to Bill and be Hillary."




Here's a sermon for you from an "outsider" that you apparently favor.




http://www.alternet.org/stories/72880/






hahaha
1/8/08
8:23 AM
Sorry, but none of them are true outsiders. All of them, and all of them in the past, talk about changing things. How many truly do? Unless we have an overthrow of the entire government, things are not going to change. I'll bet Obama's phone is ringing of the hook with a ton of insiders offering to be his new best friend. Many thought Bush was an outsider (at least from DC) however he surrounded himself with insiders. Look how that turned out. Maybe a little 'fire and brimstone' would do this country some good!
littledutchboy
1/8/08
9:42 AM
QUOTE(philly54 @ Jan 8 2008, 12:14 AM) [snapback]347367[/snapback]


That was sort of my point, to generalize and say Ophra Winfrey is promoting Obama simply because they are both black is just as ignorant as suggesting Norris is doing the same.





You sure don’t know much about Ophra, she is very much pro African American, (Racist) she many like O boomer regardless of color but she is stomping for him because he’s black.



She said herself that ordinarily she doesn’t back political candidates……I guess she just couldn’t help herself? cool.gif



bigstew
1/8/08
5:29 PM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jan 8 2008, 09:42 AM) [snapback]347417[/snapback]




You sure don't know much about Ophra, she is very much pro African American, (Racist) she many like O boomer regardless of color but she is stomping for him because he's black.

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You know, I come from good stock. Dr. Swygert was mentioning my grandmother who had a dream for me. And her dream was not a big dream. Her dream was that one day I could grow up -- she used to say, I want you to grow up and get yourself some good white folks, because my grandmother was a maid and she worked for white folks her whole life.

And her idea of having a big dream was to have white folks who at least treated her with some dignity, who showed her a little bit respect. And she used to say, I want you to -- I hope you get some good white folks that are kind to you. And I regret that she didn't live past 1963 to see that I did grow up and get some really good white folks working for me.


Oprah winfrey's commencement address at Howard University on May 12, 2007. I heard the actual tape, and it was even worse then can be printed. A very racist statement, one that she would never tolerate.



cyberscribbler
1/9/08
7:55 AM
QUOTE(bigstew @ Jan 8 2008, 05:29 PM) [snapback]347514[/snapback]
A very racist statement, one that she would never tolerate.
We're not living in the days of Oprah's grandma. How convienient of you to apply contemporary morals to a woman who probably grew up in the great depression era.
Lysol54
1/9/08
8:09 AM
QUOTE(bigstew @ Jan 8 2008, 06:29 PM) [snapback]347514[/snapback]






Oprah winfrey's commencement address at Howard University on May 12, 2007. I heard the actual tape, and it was even worse then can be printed. A very racist statement, one that she would never tolerate.







Why don't you go whine somewhere else stew. Funny you talk about racisit statements but dropped the n-word on a blog yesterday. Little hypocritical don't ya think? But then again i don't expect anything less from someone who has a crying baby as their icon. Then you !profanity! and moan about Carvilles comments.
Shawn
1/9/08
9:03 AM
QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 8 2008, 08:23 AM) [snapback]347406[/snapback]
Sorry, but none of them are true outsiders. All of them, and all of them in the past, talk about changing things. How many truly do? Unless we have an overthrow of the entire government, things are not going to change. I'll bet Obama's phone is ringing of the hook with a ton of insiders offering to be his new best friend. Many thought Bush was an outsider (at least from DC) however he surrounded himself with insiders. Look how that turned out. Maybe a little 'fire and brimstone' would do this country some good!




Have you read the book "Empire" by Orson Scott Card? I just started it and am about half way through. It is fiction, and pretty much plays out your scenario, ultimately leading to civil war (I think, I haven't read that far yet). This is the first book I read by Card, and so far I find it to be really well written. If you like Clancy, or anything in that vein, I would suggest picking it up, if you haven't already.



Later...Shawn

hahaha
1/9/08
9:26 AM
Thanks, I will check it out later in the spring.

Right now buried in tax code! Gotta love our government!!
Shawn
1/9/08
9:27 AM
QUOTE(hahaha @ Jan 9 2008, 09:26 AM) [snapback]347624[/snapback]
Thanks, I will check it out later in the spring.

Right now buried in tax code! Gotta love our government!!




Good luck! I'll let you know if I still like it when I finish.



Later...Shawn

bigstew
1/9/08
10:30 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Jan 9 2008, 07:55 AM) [snapback]347599[/snapback]
We're not living in the days of Oprah's grandma. How convienient of you to apply contemporary morals to a woman who probably grew up in the great depression era.
My point wasn't about granma. I understand her view point. But oprah standing in front of the grad class of Howard, telling them all that she acomplished getting white people to work for her. You have to hear it, and listen to her sudden southern accent. She definately intended on playing the card.

QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jan 9 2008, 08:09 AM) [snapback]347605[/snapback]




Why don't you go whine somewhere else stew. Funny you talk about racisit statements but dropped the n-word on a blog yesterday. Little hypocritical don't ya think? But then again i don't expect anything less from someone who has a crying baby as their icon. Then you !profanity! and moan about Carvilles comments.
I didn't drop it. I said it blatantly and meant it. But I don't believe it is a racist statement when you use it about yourself. Go p i s s up a rope if you don't like reading, go to dailykos' blog.



BTW, the crybaby avatar you are referring to, if you enlarged it hon would show you that it seal that says "The official seal of the democratic party."

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