The expense of preservation

January 4th, 2008 4:04 pm · 17 comments

So Molly and Dick are gone - one of our writers is over at the courthouse right about now covering the swearing-in of the new commissioners - and we’re getting the usual post-mortems, looking back on the outgoing board of commissioners’ achievements.

Where you stand on the convention center issue, of course, largely determines where you stand on those “achievements.” But one thing many of the anti-convention center folks have been touting - everybody has been touting, really - is the “success” of farm preservation efforts under this last board.

Lancaster County is now number one in the nation when it comes to acreage preserved. And in one respect that’s a grand thing. But in another respect, I’ve noticed that in most of the stories written about this, the cost of being number one has been rather downplayed.

But the county, in fact, has $8 million budgeted next year alone for farmland preservation efforts. That’s not a staggering figure given that the county’s total budget is $284 million; but consider also that since 2004, the county has spent $40 million on farmland preservation. The other outgoing commissioner, Sharron Nelson, had on occasion “questioned whether non-farming county residents are being left out of such perks.”

And they are - though to the extent that they want farmland preserved by, in effect, giving tax money to farmers not to develop their land, that may be fine by them.

But I’ve never been a huge fan of circumventing the market this way. Becuase what it amounts to is giving money, your money, to people who (in theory, were they to sell their land) have assets that far outpace most of the people whose tax dollars are being used to purchase these easements.

Yes, yes; we say we want to keep Lancaster an agricultural community and doing so means “easing development pressure,” one means of which is to pay farmers not to sell their land, to keep it in farming. But given the tax hike the county was compelled to pass this year; given that future years may require similar hikes - can the county afford to keep spending this much on farmland preservation?

Maybe or maybe not; there’s a debate to be had. But we’re not having that debate.

It may be fiscally irresponsible for the county to back bond guarantees for the convention center. But I can’t see how it’s somehow the height of fiscal responsibility for the outgoing board to spend as much as it did on farmland preservation - spending that is entirely discretionary - and then hike taxes, basically, on the way out the door.

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easy
1/4/08
10:15 PM
The popularity of farm land preservation is like the popularity of the toys for tots program. If we paid workers enough so that they could buy their own kids gifts then there would be a lot less kids who would need our charity. Like wise if we were willing to reevaluate what "growth" is and whether our current definition truely serves us, maybe we wouldn't need to give welfare to farmers.

Artie See
1/5/08
8:59 AM
Are you prepared to pay the costs of NOT preserving farmland?

Are you prepared to pay the higher taxes required to provide roads, schools, and other infrastructure to support all of that housing?

Are you prepared for the costs to your children and grandchildren? Can you imagine future generations of YOUR offspring living in a Lancaster County where corn, cows, and Amish are no longer an important part of their lives?

We can pay now to preserve farmland. OR,

We can pay the social and economic costs of NOT preserving farmland later.
gsmart
1/5/08
9:15 AM
QUOTE(Artie See @ Jan 5 2008, 09:59 AM) [snapback]346922[/snapback]
Are you prepared to pay the costs of NOT preserving farmland?

Are you prepared to pay the higher taxes required to provide roads, schools, and other infrastructure to support all of that housing?

Are you prepared for the costs to your children and grandchildren? Can you imagine future generations of YOUR offspring living in a Lancaster County where corn, cows, and Amish are no longer an important part of their lives?

We can pay now to preserve farmland. OR,

We can pay the social and economic costs of NOT preserving farmland later.


Except "not preserving farmland" - the development of farmland - generates tax revenues, wages and other economic acvitity. We can argue where the line is - does it ultimately pump more money into the local economy than it requires, etc.

But as the program works now, farmland preservation gives tax money to those who - in terms of assets owned, at least - are already quite wealthy.

If farmland is to be preserved, I am not convinced that it should be done with tax money, especially at a time of deficits.
Save-the-Land
1/5/08
9:15 AM
Excellent points Artie! I agree, eventually it would be more expensive NOT to preserve farmland......especially with some of the richest, most fertile soils in the world.

As gas and transport costs keep increasing....I say we preserve as much farmland close by as we can. It just makes sense to be able to produce food close by without having to transport such long distances. Lancaster is the most productive non-irrigated county in the USA. Why lose the land here, only to have to grow vegetables in arid climates, where water is already in short supply.

Also, when most of the farmland is gone (or the visual perception that it is) why would tourists want to come here? I think tourism is only second to agriculture in economic importance to the county - lets keep it that way!
Artie See
1/5/08
9:30 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Jan 5 2008, 09:15 AM) [snapback]346923[/snapback]
If farmland is to be preserved, I am not convinced that it should be done with tax money, especially at a time of deficits.
In a perfect world, I would agree with you completely.

But you don't have to look any further than out your side windows to see just how far "private" investment is willing to go.
gsmart
1/5/08
9:53 AM
QUOTE(Artie See @ Jan 5 2008, 10:30 AM) [snapback]346929[/snapback]
In a perfect world, I would agree with you completely.

But you don't have to look any further than out your side windows to see just how far "private" investment is willing to go.


So what's the argument then? That taxes should be raised in order to thwart private investment?

That is the farmland preservation argument in spades: That government should circumvent the market. That the best and most profitable use of the land shouldn't be determined by, say, farm prices or the economic viability of farming; that it is up to government, it is up to individual taxpayers to do whatever they can to make farming economically viable, by giving their tax money to farmers - who, I will say it again (and again and again) already own assets worth, in some cases, many millions of dollars.

We talk about the most productive soils in the world; great. But why then can't the economic vitality of that stand on its own?

But we've already more or less admitted here, the most important aspect of all this is the aesthetic - the idea of keeping Lancaster County rural not for the sake of its economy, but because we like looking at farm fields or don't want to turn this into just another suburbia.

A bit of utopianism here - with taxpayers money - but again, if that's what Lancaster County taxpayers want, then good for them.

But if it's an economic imperative to budget millions in discretionary spending for farmland preservation at a time of deficits, how indeed do we turn around and argue against merely guaranteeing a bond that does not, in fact, require any expenditure now, unlike farmland preservation; or against taxes levied on those who don't even frickin' live here?

There's a disconnect here, in other words - and indeed, the exact same arguments made in favor of spending money to preserve farms could be turned on their head to defend "preservation" of the city. Isn't it worth saving? What happens if we don't save it? Isn't the expenditure, then, worth it?
hahaha
1/5/08
1:20 PM
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We talk about the most productive soils in the world; great. But why then can't the economic vitality of that stand on its own?

Because we are supposed to be providing ourselves and the world with 'inexpensive' food. So I've been told.
lanzate
1/5/08
10:47 PM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Jan 5 2008, 09:15 AM) [snapback]346923[/snapback]

Except "not preserving farmland" - the development of farmland - generates tax revenues, wages and other economic acvitity. We can argue where the line is - does it ultimately pump more money into the local economy than it requires, etc.

But as the program works now, farmland preservation gives tax money to those who - in terms of assets owned, at least - are already quite wealthy.

If farmland is to be preserved, I am not convinced that it should be done with tax money, especially at a time of deficits.



Looking at the big picture you have to ask yourself if the farmland preservation program has really saved any farmland? Development is still going on. When we get to the point when half the farmland in the county is preserved what happens to the other half that is not preserved? It gets developed! Every time the county buys another tract of land to preserve the value of other non-preserved land goes up, probably more than the value of the development rights that the county is buying. So it only increases the development pressure of these non-preserved farms. If you followed what I'm saying the outcome is more land sold for development not less.

It is just a government bean counting scam. We can brag all we want to about our acres of sacred land but lets talk bottom line; Has development slowed in Lancaster County? How about 40 million to take over blighted neighborhoods in Lancaster city or other towns around the county? We will always need more places for people to live so why not make better use of the areas that are not farmed. Work the zoning laws to encouraged clustering in towns to fight the sprawl.

Of course we can thank the current housing market for being the biggest preserver of farmland but beyond that you can feel better about paying your 4 bucks for a gallon of milk. Dairy farmers would be crazy to sell their land now in the present market. Their income has increased about 100% over last year at this time with milk getting over $24 per hundredweight. 2007 was the year of commodities. Agriculture is doing better than it has in a generation.
citydweller
1/5/08
11:36 PM
Gil I'd think that with all the time you spend following oil & energy, you'd see the value in preserving as much ag space in the county as possible.

If the nation's oil gullet gets choked shut, or if we start enough wars to drive oil prices impossibly high, the cheapest quality lamb roasts won't be from Argentina anymore. Nor will we export celery to South Carolina while simultaneously importing it from Indiana.

The entire corporate food products distribution system in this country is completely FUBAR, based not on selling products close by to where they originate, but rather based on trucking (using fuel) products to regional distribution centers. If oil goes FUBAR as well you may not be able, under the current system, be able to afford carrots, even though the farm down the road grows them, because the ones at Giant were trucked in from a distribution center in West Virginia.

If (or when) it comes to that, the people who eat well will be the ones who can grow food and raise livestock in large quantities LOCALLY.

In the f-d up world we've created, preserving ag lands makes more sense than just about anything I can think of in terms of preparedness. Look at it this way - when the yuppies living on what used to be a corn field next door become jobless and poor because a depression lost them all their jobs in Philly and Baltimore, are you gonna spend more time feeling bad for them, or more time missing all that corn that used to be growing there, ready to feed your family?

We can waste all the words we want blathering altruistic platitudes, but when the rubber meets the road, if food becomes hard to get, everyone knows they'd rather be living next door to food wink.gif
lanzate
1/6/08
12:45 AM
QUOTE(citydweller @ Jan 5 2008, 11:36 PM) [snapback]347010[/snapback]

Gil I'd think that with all the time you spend following oil & energy, you'd see the value in preserving as much ag space in the county as possible.



I don't want to answer for Gil, but I think he understands that. It has to do with absolute control vs. influencing control. The government is interested in self-preservation so it likes to count concrete measurable tasks. Acres with absolute development control are perfect for them.

They can create maps like this: http://www.co.lancaster.pa.us/lanco/lib/lanco/e_letter.pdf

But you still have to ask yourself, is it working? Did this 40 million really slow development in the county? I'm sure it did in those little green areas of the map but that is a comparatively small area of the county. How do we know if development didn't just increase in the non-green areas at the same time that it stopped in the green areas? IMO if they want to spent 40 million they should give up their absolute authority of a few and "buy" influencing authority over all. It would take some creativity but I think it could better meet their mission.

Why all that green area around e-town and mt. joy? I guess they are planning to pave over west earl township. All we got are 2 tiny farms preserved.

easy
1/6/08
12:48 AM


[quote]We can waste all the words we want blathering altruistic platitudes, but when the rubber meets the road, if food becomes hard to get, everyone knows they'd rather be living next door to food wink.gif [/quote] [/quote]



Living next to food won't help if all the people in NY, Philly, Baltimore, and DC are hungry,

citydweller
1/6/08
1:15 AM
QUOTE(easy @ Jan 6 2008, 12:48 AM) [snapback]347079[/snapback]

Living next to food won't help if all the people in NY, Philly, Baltimore, and DC are hungry,


City mouse chose to live in the city. Country mouse chose the country. Yuppie mouse wanted both and figured his/her 401k would cover it.

Yuppie mouse will be too stupid to recognize that food is growing from the ground nearby and will stake out the grocery store, city mouse will surely come looking for the food, but country mouse will have it first. The closest to the food, with a clue anyway, will eat first wink.gif
gsmart
1/6/08
2:52 AM
QUOTE(citydweller @ Jan 6 2008, 12:36 AM) [snapback]347010[/snapback]
Gil I'd think that with all the time you spend following oil & energy, you'd see the value in preserving as much ag space in the county as possible.


You know what dude - I'll buy that for a dollar.

There is most certainly a case to be made for living in a place where they actually grow food, where it doesn't have to be transported across the world or the country.

But Lanzate is exactly correct. Farmland preservation efforts have in fact created the need for TDR - traditional neighborhood development - like Charter Homes wants to build in E. Hempfield. That's the trade-off the building industry will make: Agree to support preservation, and you need to let us develop more intensively on the places that remain. In that way, farmland preseration has absolutely intensified development pressures - one of those unintended consequences.
peddler
1/6/08
7:41 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Jan 6 2008, 02:52 AM) [snapback]347086[/snapback]


You know what dude - I'll buy that for a dollar.

There is most certainly a case to be made for living in a place where they actually grow food, where it doesn't have to be transported across the world or the country.

But Lanzate is exactly correct. Farmland preservation efforts have in fact created the need for TDR - traditional neighborhood development - like Charter Homes wants to build in E. Hempfield. That's the trade-off the building industry will make: Agree to support preservation, and you need to let us develop more intensively on the places that remain. In that way, farmland preseration has absolutely intensified development pressures - one of those unintended consequences.


preserving farmland is with no doubt a good thing.

My problem is that millions are given to farmers that had no intention of selling the ground in the 1st place, it is basically welfare.

The system somehow should be revamped so that farmers that have/had no thoughts of selling out dont get hundreds of thousands of $$ for nothing.

Case in point Star Rock Farms

citydweller
1/6/08
8:35 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Jan 6 2008, 02:52 AM) [snapback]347086[/snapback]

Farmland preservation efforts have in fact created the need for TDR - traditional neighborhood development - like Charter Homes wants to build in E. Hempfield.


Absolutely, and for the very same reasons that the distribution of goods system is a mammoth in the tar pit. "Walkability" is more than a catch-phrase anymore, and really knowing your neighbor will become very au courant once regionalism distills into localism wink.gif

Now, to fly in the face of all I argue for (while I still can), I'm off to deliver Pennsylvania antiques to New England and bring New England antiques back here laugh.gif Be back tomorrow night.
Artie See
1/6/08
9:23 AM
QUOTE(lanzate @ Jan 6 2008, 12:45 AM) [snapback]347078[/snapback]
But you still have to ask yourself, is it working? Did this 40 million really slow development in the county?
The issue isn't RIGHT NOW. The issue is the future.

Had you driven around Lancaster County in 1970 - like I did - you could not have imagined how much the livability of the area has deteriorated in that relatively short length of time. But two generations from now, what will be left?

Let's say farmland preservation protects half of the REMAINING farmland in Lancaster County. When the other half gets developed - AND IT WILL - what is being preserved NOW will be all that is left THEN.

In the mid 1990s, I spent some time in Orange County, California. Since I am curious about such things, I did some research into the area's history. While I was there, I learned that in the early 1900s most of the oranges sold in the United States were grown in Orange County, California. At the time I visited, only 10% of the land remained agricultural. Had Orange County, California practiced farmland preservation a century ago, it wouldn't be nothing but one gigantic suburb right now.

The return on investment for farmland preservation is measured in generations, not years. But I only have to remember my days as a teenager, driving around the county, to recognize the real value of farmland preservation.

Only a small fraction of the amount of taxpayer dollars that are being spent on the hotel and convention center project have been spent on farmland preservation. But I will guarantee you that when our great-grandchildren and THEIR children are demolishing the then worn out and blighted hotel tower and the convention center - and trying to figure out how to preserve the historic structures that are being integrated into the structure - the few farmland preservation dollars being spent RIGHT NOW will still be paying dividends for the quality of life in Lancaster County.
easy
1/6/08
1:22 PM
Our growth economy is destroying our farmland, so what do we do, throw money at the problem? It sounds like we want our cake and we want to eat it too. I thought conservatives were in the majority in Lanc. Co., doesn't this betray their principles? If development has increased, isn't this one of those situations conservatives like to rail against (a program we can feel good about, uses a lot of taxpayer money, but the cause of the problem continues unabated) ?

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