Worst of both worlds

December 11th, 2007 3:27 pm · 11 comments

Wonks only, below the break.A low-grade epiphany of sorts while reading the chapter for tonight’s class, last of the semester, during which we are to continue discussion of the Progressive movement of the early 20th century.

The reading, by historian Robert N. Crunden, was about Woodrow Wilson and his secretary of state, William Jennings Bryan; the Progressive impulse in foreign affairs, primarily. And you know how, these past seven years, we keep hearing how Il Dunce’s foreign policy was “Wilsonian?” Here’s the original, in all its moralistic glory.

The more I read, the more I realized that I would have absolutely loathed Woodrow Wilson.

I riff on it a bit in the print edition this week; suffice to say that the idea of what we might call an evangelical foreign policy has always struck me as ludicrous. It was George Will who, in The Atlantic’s 150th anniversary edition earlier this year, wrote this line (about “The American Idea”):

It has been often said that any idea is dangerous if it is a person’s only idea. Talk about “the” American idea is dangerous because it often is a precursor to, and an excuse for, the missionary impulse that sleeps lightly, when it sleeps at all, in many Americans. After all, if the essence of America can be distilled to a single idea, it must be supremely important, and there might be a moral imperative to export it.

Nod head furiously. This might be a direct criticism of Wilsonism - and of the Bush foreign policy, as well.

Yet at the same time, I’ve always detected an insincerity in Il Dunce’s professed foreign policy motivations. I mean, I detect an insincerity in everything the administration does, true; but this idea that the invasion of Iraq was motivated only by altruism, by a selfless interested in elevating people so they might be free - it was, and is, an obvious lie.

In fact, the real rationale of what we’ve done in Iraq hearkens back before Woodrow Wilson, to William Howard Taft’s “Dollar Diplomacy” - the idea that the goal of U.S. foreign policy ought to be creating “stability and order abroad that would best promote American commercial interests.”

We obviously are in Iraq due to commercial interests - our own but also, as the Wilsonians would say, the world’s. By bringing Iraq into the economic community of nations and more importantly tapping its vast natural resources, its people become more free, Iraq becomes a rational player in the global economic game. Or something like that.

So what we have, then, is a sort of Wilsonian dollar diplomacy - a foreign policy animated first and foremost by commercial interests, which just happen to be national security interests (if you think of oil as vital to national economic security), all conducted beneath this cynical veneer of preening morality.

The worst of both worlds, really.

As for the low-grde epiphany: The point’s been made many times elsewhere that what passes for “conservative” foreign policy today is very much non-conservative; the notion, as Will writes, that we should export the American ideal used to be specifically the provenance of liberals - Progressives, call them what you will. It was an evangelical impulse, America as this shining city on the hill, a model among nations, one that should be emulated, and let us help you emulate it, by force of arms as necessary.

Conservatives used to oppose such things. Some still do. But the broader “conservatism” has come to embrace this foreign policy evangelism. As detailed at length over the past four years, I detest it.

That, today, makes you a “liberal.”

But does it really make one a conservative?

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charlie_crystle
3/16/08
10:43 AM
QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Dec 11 2007, 03:30 PM) [snapback]341968[/snapback]


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The problem isn't liquidity, which is what lowering rates creates. The problem is the lack of credit-worthy real estate and related investments. More liquidity in a market of unqualified or unwilling borrowers doesn't do anything except prop up lenders and borrowers.



The answer is startups, public works projects, and education (training, etc). The mortgage industry is laying of tons of people. Where will they work? Well, think of the next need. They aren't going to jump into construction--they aren't qualified to do so. But we have a ton of issues in the country that need to be solved that need white collar help. Poverty. Education.



We should be investing in small business startups and expansions. Small businesses can grow into a recession, depending on the market and the size of that market. That's what we're doing, and the more liquidity there is for us, the more we can grow and hire.



In the meantime, there wil lbe significant carnage in the international financial markets, with the US experiencing a significant amount of the fallout. I'd watch for pension fund problems...imagine the boomer generation with their savings squandered by poor economic policies.





pml
3/16/08
11:23 AM
Charlie, I know you understand this. If we want more small business in this country then small business owners must not be punished for living out their dream of working for themselves. I think you better than anyone know how impossible it is to find quality health insurance if you are self employed. Wehn we do get a good deal it only lasts for a year and then we spend months researching and then finding a new company meaning we are changing insurance every one to two years.

We can not expand our business because potential employees have families and expect benefits which we can not aford.

Small business owners even ones with no employees must pay unemployment tax and other outrageously high taxes. With no children to claim we never see a tax refund. The small business owner in this country is at a huge disadvantage and many are saying it is just not worth it.

charlie_crystle
3/16/08
6:07 PM
QUOTE(pml @ Mar 16 2008, 11:23 AM) [snapback]366882[/snapback]
Charlie, I know you understand this. If we want more small business in this country then small business owners must not be punished for living out their dream of working for themselves. I think you better than anyone know how impossible it is to find quality health insurance if you are self employed. Wehn we do get a good deal it only lasts for a year and then we spend months researching and then finding a new company meaning we are changing insurance every one to two years.

We can not expand our business because potential employees have families and expect benefits which we can not aford.

Small business owners even ones with no employees must pay unemployment tax and other outrageously high taxes. With no children to claim we never see a tax refund. The small business owner in this country is at a huge disadvantage and many are saying it is just not worth it.





Right--universal, single-payer healthcare would be an economic stimulus because it would 1) lower costs for most companies 2) increase productivity and 3) help small business compete for employees on a more level field.





Shirley U Geste
3/16/08
6:26 PM
Your first post you are worried about the mortgage workers laid off and then in your next post you want to eliminate an entire industry. What about all those workers?
Artie See
3/16/08
6:45 PM
QUOTE(Shirley U Geste @ Mar 16 2008, 06:26 PM) [snapback]366953[/snapback]
Your first post you are worried about the mortgage workers laid off and then in your next post you want to eliminate an entire industry. What about all those workers?
The good of the many outweighs the good of the few.

Practically no one cared when so much manufacturing was shifted overseas. Entire industries, like television, clothing, and shoe manufacturing, for all intents and purposes no longer exist in North America (with VERY few exceptions).

Meanwhile, the health insurance industry represents an immense TAX levied by "private business" on all of us, which we are forced to pay whether we like it or not. If this needless overhead were to be practically eliminated, it would provide more than enough of a boost to the U.S. economy to create new jobs for all of those people.
NativeBlue
3/16/08
7:16 PM
QUOTE(charlie_crystle @ Mar 16 2008, 06:07 PM) [snapback]366949[/snapback]

Right--universal, single-payer healthcare would be an economic stimulus because it would 1) lower costs for most companies 2) increase productivity and 3) help small business compete for employees on a more level field.


Right on.
dragonrider
3/16/08
10:19 PM
Yes but absolutely no one except kucinich was advocating universal coverage without insurance industry involvement. The Democratic presidential candidates are advocating welfare for insurance companies with us footing the bill.
hahaha
3/17/08
5:52 AM
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Meanwhile, the health insurance industry represents an immense TAX levied by "private business" on all of us, which we are forced to pay whether we like it or not. If this needless overhead were to be practically eliminated, it would provide more than enough of a boost to the U.S. economy to create new jobs for all of those people.

You honestly believe that it will not be replaced by another tax that will become higher then what we currently pay? Look at the government record. Close to home and your heart. Look at the convention center. Look at the county's new queen street offices. Just two minor examples of government projects out of control. Not exactly what I predict will run a national healthcare system for less money.
Typhon
3/17/08
6:13 AM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Mar 16 2008, 10:19 PM) [snapback]367012[/snapback]
Yes but absolutely no one except kucinich was advocating universal coverage without insurance industry involvement. The Democratic presidential candidates are advocating welfare for insurance companies with us footing the bill.




I was hoping, by some kind of miracle, that Kucinich had made it.

He was, by far, my top choice.

charlie_crystle
3/17/08
10:17 AM
QUOTE(Shirley U Geste @ Mar 16 2008, 06:26 PM) [snapback]366953[/snapback]
Your first post you are worried about the mortgage workers laid off and then in your next post you want to eliminate an entire industry. What about all those workers?




In the PA bill, there's a 4-year transition fund for those workers--about 25,000 people in PA. I'm not interested in persisting an industry that's a drag on the economy and bad for the country for the sake of keeping people employed--on the backs of productive businesses. Other industries will evolve, other opportunities develop.



QUOTE(dragonrider @ Mar 16 2008, 10:19 PM) [snapback]367012[/snapback]
Yes but absolutely no one except kucinich was advocating universal coverage without insurance industry involvement. The Democratic presidential candidates are advocating welfare for insurance companies with us footing the bill.




They are very disappointing when it comes to healthcare.



QUOTE(hahaha @ Mar 17 2008, 05:52 AM) [snapback]367055[/snapback]

You honestly believe that it will not be replaced by another tax that will become higher then what we currently pay? Look at the government record. Close to home and your heart. Look at the convention center. Look at the county's new queen street offices. Just two minor examples of government projects out of control. Not exactly what I predict will run a national healthcare system for less money.




Local mismanagement has no effect on, say, Medicare, which is comprehensive and a lot cheaper than private health insurance. The PA bill would be a "premium" in the form of a 10% tax on top of payroll, plus 3% for individuals, with no co-pays, no deductibles, and it covers the medical portion of worker's comp, which is a 50% reduction. The cost reduction for my company amounts to about $50k per year, not to mention capped costs and the knowledge of what the bill will be next year. Last year we had a 26% increase. They've more than doubled our rates in 4 years. This year, who knows?



We'll also save on the admin costs, as will hospitals and doctors. 25 years ago there were 2 admins per doc, now there are 12. Now tell me about how the market works? I'm a capitalist, and I can tell you this isn't a normal market, and it's not working. It's failed, and it's time to make it like the roads, like defense, like other things that are part of the dialtone of civil society, the infrastructure that makes us a humane and competitive country. But we've lost that advantage--just ask the people of Minnesota that were on that bridge, or the business owner gone bankrupt because of a healthcare crisis. Universal is just good economics, not to mention the right thing to do.







hahaha
3/17/08
10:22 AM
Medicare is a lot cheaper then private health insurance? Just curious how you derive that.

Call me a skeptic. Like I have said so many times before, if the government can offer insurance so much less then insurance companies, then they should get in to the insurance business. Offer the plans with lower rates. The market will decide if it is true. Don't need another mandate.
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