That title is a new low.

That title is a new low.

check out his positions and ideas. Really not that bad

hucklebee said he would rather have an athiest working in his administration than a phoney christian. and when asked about his beliefs on one occasion last week he quoted the bible where it related to helping the poor and the least among us.

he sounds sincere. we don't need another bullshittter.

this country needs a true uniter, someone who can heal the many wounds and bring us together as a country rather than divide us.

I fail to see how he would actually unite this country instead of just dividing it more. We need a president that puts less emphasis on religion and more on helping this country.

Is that guy for real? Huckabee? How about Huckster instead? What a pathetic transparent disingenuous ploy to bamboozle religious lemmings by preying in their emotions. He's disgraceful.

LOL….And Huckster Hillary doesn't play on the emotions of the countless mindless liberal lemmings.

LOL….And Huckster Hillary doesn't play on the emotions of the countless mindless liberal lemmings.

In what way? Jesus was pretty liberal wasn't he? I wonder how he feels aobut you referring to him as a mindless lemming.



Later...Shawn

The differance there is she isn't using God to push her points.

Jesus stayed completely out of political fray.

LOL....She doesn't have to, she thinks she IS God.

Really? What about this


That sounds like a political statment to me.


Do you have a source for that?



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I was kidding about Hillary.


As for your quote from the Bible, it wasn't a political statement, it means that the people were to pay their taxes as required by the state. If you study Bible history, when Jesus came the Jewish nation was looking for a political leader to deliver them from the oppressive Roman rule they were under. Jesus stayed out of that, He came to deliver the people from spiritual oppression not political oppression.

Shawn, in the Anabaptist Faith we are told to Pray, Pay, and obey, when it comes to our government. That thinking comes from the verses you quoted and hasn't anything to do with politics.

(disclaimer) the "obey" is as long as it doesn't violate a higher law of God.

I was kidding about Hillary.

As for your quote from the Bible, it wasn't a political statement, it means that the people were to pay their taxes as required by the state. If you study Bible history, when Jesus came the Jewish nation was looking for a political leader to deliver them from the oppressive Roman rule they were under. Jesus stayed out of that, He came to deliver the people from spiritual oppression not political oppression.

Shawn, in the Anabaptist Faith we are told to Pray, Pay, and obey, when it comes to our government. That thinking comes from the verses you quoted and hasn't anything to do with politics.



(disclaimer) the "obey" is as long as it doesn't violate a higher law of God.

Shawn has you their Goldi, try to spin it however you like. So if you told to pray, pay and obey, why is it that you will not fly the flag of the US??

LOL….And Huckster Hillary doesn't play on the emotions of the countless mindless liberal lemmings.

The differance there is she isn't using God to push her points. Shes not using the guise of religion to seem holier than thou. Big differance Goldi. Shes not using religion to push her agenda. Shes just pushing her agenda.

oh and jesus was telling people to avoid politics by obeying the laws instead of revolting.just my opinion.

The flag represents one nation, among many nations in this world. Anabaptists are very grateful and thankful to be Americans. However, the Anabaptist's identity isn't bound by national borders or national politics. Our loyalty is to God and our context is that of being world citizens, not just this nation's citizens. We believe God's spirit is pervasive in all lands and our allegiance to God goes far beyond any earthly nation.

This explains it far better than I can.
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/flag_reflections.html

Thats great there Goldi but you could use that logic for every religion in the world. Catholics especially. They still fly the flag. I still don't buy that explantaion at all. This is the nation that allowed your people to practice freely. Most of Europe looked at the Anabaptists as a cult. Burning them at the stake, etc. Your people choose to not acknowledge the sacrifices that were made so you could practice freely. To that i find extremely disrepectful.

Thats great there Goldi but you could use that logic for every religion in the world. Catholics especially. They still fly the flag. I still don't buy that explantaion at all. This is the nation that allowed your people to practice freely. Most of Europe looked at the Anabaptists as a cult. Burning them at the stake, etc. Your people choose to not acknowledge the sacrifices that were made so you could practice freely. To that i find extremely disrepectful.

I am sorry that it offends you. The Anabaptist people do acknowledge the great sacrifices made. However who says that acknowledgement must be in a form of flying a flag. One of the ways to acknowledge their gratefulness to this nation is to help needy Americans in times of disaster. If you had a home swept away by hurricane Katrina, would you rather have the people that participated in MCC, MDS, CAM or any relief organization, come rebuild your home, or would you rather they stay home and just fly their flags as acknowledgement that they are grateful to this country.

There are other reasons for the relief work here and abroad, but some of it is out of gratefulness to their country and to its fellow citizens.

I just can't imagine joining a group and then taking on all their philosophies and ideas and giving up my own. What about your own ideas? Why do you need someone else's? Everytime Goldi makes a post using the phrases "In my church..." or "we believe..." I want to say, "I don't care what the hell your church says, what do you say?" Kind of like when women answer the question what's your name? with "Mrs John Doe". I don't care what your husband's name is, what's yours?

And thats also great. There are a lot of religious groups that also do work like that as well. And they will still fly the flag. And in all their relief efforts are they more intersted in converting people to Christianity than to helping them rebuild their lives? I know many religious organizations are quick to help out, but their reasons aren't as altrusistic as they would have you believe. I'm not saying what they are doing isn't a great thing because it is. I I understand its your groups way of thinking. But you have little room to come down on another group or groups for the way they do things. Which is often what you do.

My beliefs aren't as much from an Anabaptist standpoint, but from a Biblical standpoint.

I would never come down on anyone for flying a flag. Hey if my neighbor wants to fly ten flags, I really couldn't care less.

Is this the litmus test to win the nomination, a born-again gulf south governor?

In that video the last thing he sounded to me was sincere.

Being a senator sure has not helped many candidates in the past 100 years.


Actually the comments people are making about him is that he seems honest and he seems like a good guy. Far cry from many of the other candidates. Now we will let the media slaughter him for a couple of weeks (since he is now on the radar) and see how low he drops.

What about Romney? Do you have the same level of respect for him, since he is a religious fellow as well?

What about Romney? Do you have the same level of respect for him, since he is a religious fellow as well?



Later...Shawn

And hes also the guy that said if gays are allowed to marry it will be the end of our civilization. I fail to see how he would actually unite this country instead of just dividing it more. We need a president that puts less emphasis on religion and more on helping this country.

LOL….And Huckster Hillary doesn’t play on the emotions of the countless mindless liberal lemmings.

To get an idea of Huxterbee's christian values, Google Wayne Dumond the rapist then governor Huxterbee pushed for parole.
Compare his actions to another governor, Mike Dukakis and the Willy Horton incident.

I am sorry that it offends you. The Anabaptist people do acknowledge the great sacrifices made. However who says that acknowledgement must be in a form of flying a flag. One of the ways to acknowledge their gratefulness to this nation is to help needy Americans in times of disaster. If you had a home swept away by hurricane Katrina, would you rather have the people that participated in MCC, MDS, CAM or any relief organization, come rebuild your home, or would you rather they stay home and just fly their flags as acknowledgement that they are grateful to this country.

There are other reasons for the relief work here and abroad, but some of it is out of gratefulness to their country and to its fellow citizens.

agree, that is a very good indication of his values. He saw that Dumond may have already been punished enough. Remember his balls were severed from is body by tying fishing string around them until they were separated from his body.

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George Bush's WacDonalds: 1,000,000 Iraqis dead. Ain't you GOoPers proud?

1,000,000 Iraqis dead

Previous estimates, most noticeably the one published in the Lancet in October 2006, suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths).
These findings come from a poll released today by ORB, the British polling agency that has been tracking public opinion in Iraq since 2005. In conjunction with their Iraqi fieldwork agency a representative sample of 1,499 adults aged 18+ answered the following question:-

QHow many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (ie as a result of violence rather than a natural death such as old age)? Please note that I mean those who were actually living under your roof.

None 78%
One 16%
Two 5%
Three 1%
Four or more 0.002%

Given that from the 2005 census there are a total of 4,050,597 households this data suggests a total of 1,220,580 deaths since the invasion in 2003. Calculating the affect from the margin of error we believe that the range is a minimum of 733,158 to a maximum of 1,446,063

must be the same mathematicians that add up our federal budget....

Counting the dead by taking a poll?!? Priceless!! Only in libby world would that apply!!

Guess you also don't know how government works. They are the same mathematicians that have been employed for the past 25 years. Only the bosses change. Hence why we have no accurate numbers. The worker bees don't give 2 craps and just come up with crap numbers to tick off the bosses who they know will be gone in a couple years. Yet you guys want health care to be administered by the same group of people!

must be the same mathematicians that add up our federal budget....

I forgot you know everything about anything

Of course not as much as you Lysol. Please do enlighten us with your version of the facts........ waiting with bells on......

I forgot you know everything about anything there hahaha. Not only are you an expert on schools your also an expert on how government works. Amazing how you just assume they've been there for 25 years. Where you getting that number from? Or did you just pull that out of your little bag of "facts"? Your Repub hacks pull that kind of "Fuzzy math" here all the time whenver they want to prove their point. You keep supporting the chimp in chief like a good little boy, rather sad you can't see through all the BS though.

Joe, they are all going to heaven and will all have 40 virgins.... because that inner voice told them so!

Sorry, must have been confused with joe's 'all' and 'none' and 'some' wordings.
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Since you like to call people out joe, then you must be called out also. You listen to some of Jesus words and interpret them to your theory but you choose to ignore many of his other words. How is that any different?

The actual data shows the average federal employees provides 17 years of service. So the error between the poll and the actual was 32 percent. Therefore we can conclude that meat's estimate is off by 32%.

GWB's war has essentially wiped out one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. We tend to miss that fact... most Christians, who have been there for 2000 years have left the country, had their families slaughtered and their churches bombed, or gone into hiding and worshipping in secret. The story of the Anglican Bishop who remains in Iraq to secretly minister to these people is one that very few even know about. This man has MS and is using every last bit of his strength and sheer willpower to minister to the few remaining Christians who cannot get out. For a man who professes Christianity, GWB was sorely misinformed and/or ignorant of what the occupation would do to this community.

You are correct. Most of the area contained Assyrians and Babylonians who were all Christians.

you making things up again?

Just for you lysol. Figure I need to give you something useful to do during the day.

It's not to prove my point... just to see if you are paying attention. You missed a couple the other day. You must be busy because of the holidays. Think you can answer Artie's question in the other thread for me? Thanks.

Since you say I am making stuff up, I figured you could give me a better example so that I may improve my posts in the future. You can even do it as me. My password is: urajackazz.

Ouch such witty retorts. Did ya have that one saved up? Maybe if you'd just post factual information instead of making stuff up you wouldn't have that problem. Here's a tip, turn off Fox News and try some differant news outlets.

Those that cautioned The Monkey against his Iraq murder spree have been vindicated.

Those that cautioned The Monkey against his Iraq murder spree have been vindicated.

Hyperbole is edgy!