Amazing. I’d heard about this but Sullivan posted it. Cojones, thy name is Karl Rove.
Busy today, light posting.
Amazing. I’d heard about this but Sullivan posted it. Cojones, thy name is Karl Rove.
Busy today, light posting.
17 comments
Tags: Wingers · War in Iraq
| usedmeat 11/30/07 10:18 AM | The war resolution actually, authorization for The Monkey to invade Iraq, was brought up by the republican controled congress. It was brought up before the elections to ensure it would pass. Consider that the Old Media specificaly the NYT and the WaPo had been faithful stenographers of dick Cheney's claims no matter how farfetched. Any member of congress voting against ran the risk of losing their seat because they were "soft on terrorism." Never mind that many members voted for the resolution in good faith becuase Saddam needed to know that the America was behind their pResident's demands that he prove to the world he had no WMDs. They also believed Bush when he lied about war being the last resort. As you know Invading Iraq was an administration goal from day one. Am I surprised that Karl Rove would put this canard out there? No. Will I be surprised when this becomes fact amoung the 30% of America who are Bush dead-enders, including some of our posters? Not really. |
| grieker 11/30/07 10:54 AM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Nov 30 2007, 10:18 AM) [snapback]339629[/snapback] The war resolution actually, authorization for The Monkey to invade Iraq, was brought up by the republican controled congress. It was brought up before the elections to ensure it would pass. Consider that the Old Media specificaly the NYT and the WaPo had been faithful stenographers of dick Cheney's claims no matter how farfetched. Any member of congress voting against ran the risk of losing their seat because they were "soft on terrorism." Never mind that many members voted for the resolution in good faith becuase Saddam needed to know that the America was behind their pResident's demands that he prove to the world he had no WMDs. They also believed Bush when he lied about war being the last resort. As you know Invading Iraq was an administration goal from day one. Am I surprised that Karl Rove would put this canard out there? No. Will I be surprised when this becomes fact amoung the 30% of America who are Bush dead-enders, including some of our posters? Not really. Remind me again why Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998! |
| cyberscribbler 11/30/07 10:59 AM | QUOTE(grieker @ Nov 30 2007, 10:54 AM) [snapback]339640[/snapback] Remind me again why Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998! Remind me again why PNAC demanded he invade Iraq in 1998? |
| usedmeat 11/30/07 10:59 AM | For one thing a punative bombing raid is not a full on murderspree and it was in reply for Saddam putting a hit on former president George the Smarter. |
| Lysol54 11/30/07 11:06 AM | QUOTE(grieker @ Nov 30 2007, 11:54 AM) [snapback]339640[/snapback] Remind me again why Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998! Wow thats the only thing you could think of?? Geez grieker go read a history book would you. Stop being just a republican mouthpiece. |
| grieker 11/30/07 11:12 AM | QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Nov 30 2007, 11:06 AM) [snapback]339647[/snapback] Wow thats the only thing you could think of?? Geez grieker go read a history book would you. Stop being just a republican mouthpiece. Don't have to read a history book, I lived it and I'm not a republican mouthpiece, I'm just trying to understand why things aren't applied equally. |
| Lysol54 11/30/07 11:20 AM | QUOTE(grieker @ Nov 30 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]339652[/snapback] Don't have to read a history book, I lived it and I'm not a republican mouthpiece, I'm just trying to understand why things aren't applied equally. Things are applied very equally, the pendullam swings both ways there bud. Clinton was on the recieving end of the same stuff Bush is now dealing with. Look at the Balkens, Clinton caught all kinds of Repub flack, saying he was just doing it to get the focus off Lewensky etc. Like i said you really need to read a history book and see that it happens to both sides. And for Rove to even suggest that Congress rushed us into this War is absolutely nuts. I guess thats the typical Republican way, blame everyone and everything else for our problems. Its the blacks, the illegals, whoever elses fault. Never the rich white guy. |
| Milton 11/30/07 11:53 AM | QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Nov 30 2007, 12:20 PM) [snapback]339656[/snapback] Things are applied very equally, the pendullam swings both ways there bud. Clinton was on the recieving end of the same stuff Bush is now dealing with. Look at the Balkens, Clinton caught all kinds of Repub flack, saying he was just doing it to get the focus off Lewensky etc. Like i said you really need to read a history book and see that it happens to both sides. And for Rove to even suggest that Congress rushed us into this War is absolutely nuts. I guess thats the typical Republican way, blame everyone and everything else for our problems. Its the blacks, the illegals, whoever elses fault. Never the rich white guy. Can you honestly blame rich whitey that quickly in this case? If I remember corretly, the move to enter Iraq was rushed through while the entire nation was caught up in post 9-11 anti terroist fevor...there was hardly a politician in office at that time that could speak against it for fear of being labeled soft on terrorism. Don't blame Bush, don't blame the media, don't blame congress, blame human nature. Crap happens. |
| Lysol54 11/30/07 12:04 PM | QUOTE(Milton @ Nov 30 2007, 12:53 PM) [snapback]339672[/snapback] Can you honestly blame rich whitey that quickly in this case? If I remember corretly, the move to enter Iraq was rushed through while the entire nation was caught up in post 9-11 anti terroist fevor...there was hardly a politician in office at that time that could speak against it for fear of being labeled soft on terrorism. Don't blame Bush, don't blame the media, don't blame congress, blame human nature. Crap happens. Oh yeah blame human nature. That makes perfect since. Don't blame the people that used/abused that fervor to push their own agendas. Theres nothing wrong with that now is there? Btw, the group I'm talking about is a bunch of rich, mostly white Jewish guys, maybe you've heard of them. I wasn't just singling out all white men, i guess i should have been more clear. |
| Alyosha 11/30/07 1:22 PM | Blame the jews? You're starting to sound like Whirlwind, Lysol. |
| Milton 11/30/07 1:38 PM | QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Nov 30 2007, 01:04 PM) [snapback]339676[/snapback] Oh yeah blame human nature. That makes perfect since. Don't blame the people that used/abused that fervor to push their own agendas. Theres nothing wrong with that now is there? Btw, the group I'm talking about is a bunch of rich, mostly white Jewish guys, maybe you've heard of them. I wasn't just singling out all white men, i guess i should have been more clear. I blame myself, I blame you, and I blame the rest of our citizens. Because human nature being what it is, we did get swept up in that fever, including our eleced officials. I really do not think that they exploited anti-terrorist sentiments as much as they too were influenced by them and as a product of elected government, were forced to act lest be painted as soft. And yes, I blame the German people in a similar manner: No one had to vote for and follow Hitler...they were responding to the conditions of the time. You make it seem as though we are incapable of thinking for our selves and must follow our leaders. |
| usedmeat 11/30/07 11:47 PM | QUOTE I blame myself, I blame you, and I blame the rest of our citizens. Because human nature being what it is, we did get swept up in that fever, including our eleced officials. ... Give the facts most people can make a rational decision. However when fed vile lies by a toady Old Media you get approval to invade a country that had nothing to do with 911. |
| justplainjoe 12/1/07 6:12 AM | QUOTE(Milton @ Nov 30 2007, 02:38 PM) [snapback]339704[/snapback] I blame myself, I blame you, and I blame the rest of our citizens. Because human nature being what it is, we did get swept up in that fever, including our eleced officials. don't blame me dude, i was against this hairbrained fiasco from the beginning. bush is a texas bullshittter, we all know that now. i knew it back then. i am glad you are taking personal responsibility for being fooled but not everyone was so gullible. since you now realize you were had what do we do now, help ourselves to the oil as long as we are there anyway? that was the plan all along. i was right then, i am right now. |
| usedmeat 12/1/07 10:57 AM | Many of us thought that Saddam had WMDs but the UN inspectors were in Iraq so there was no hurry to invade. As time went on and the inspectors kept coming up empty and the rightards excuses became more lame than usual, we began to realize Bush lied to us. Bush threatened the inspectors into leaving then invaded. Had more time elapsed a majority of America would have been against the invasion. I don't know if that is an impeachable offense but it seems pretty close to one. |
| mnepats52 12/1/07 11:47 AM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Dec 1 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]339849[/snapback] Many of us thought that Saddam had WMDs but the UN inspectors were in Iraq so there was no hurry to invade. As time went on and the inspectors kept coming up empty and the rightards excuses became more lame than usual, we began to realize Bush lied to us. Bush threatened the inspectors into leaving then invaded. Had more time elapsed a majority of America would have been against the invasion. I don't know if that is an impeachable offense but it seems pretty close to one. "After 3-months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapon program in Iraq." - IAEA's ElBaradei before the UN 3/7/03 that was about the time Rumsfled was saying the US knew where the wmd's were.. "Bush Clings To Dubious Allegations About Iraq." - Wash. Post 3/18/03 QUOTE(grieker @ Nov 30 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]339652[/snapback] Don't have to read a history book, I lived it "Karl Rove went on Charlie Rose and he blamed the Democrats for pushing him and the president into war. Is that how it worked?" - Joe Scarborough " Uh…..no. [laughter] that is not the way it worked." - White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card MSNBC 11/29/07 |
| UncommonSense 12/1/07 1:43 PM | QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Nov 30 2007, 09:15 AM) [snapback]339612[/snapback] Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post. So, I watched the video......where did he mention the Democrats? He made one reference to the Congress rushing a vote and politicizing it. I will not speak to or debate the factuality of Democrats vs. Republicans on this vote u ntil I get time to research it. Just wanted to comment that I think Gil's byline is terribly misleading. |
| usedmeat 12/1/07 7:54 PM | http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/060013.php QUOTE Rove repeated his assertion in an interview yesterday, pointing to comments made by Democrats in 2002 that they wanted a vote. "For Democrats to suggest they didn't want to vote on it before the election is disingenuous," he said. |