Drinking starts at home
September 6th, 2007 12:01 pm · 15 comments
Hmmm. Stanton Peele notes in the Wall Street Journal that while there’s this wave of states looking to hold parents responsible for their kids’ drinking, recent research suggests that maybe letting the kid have an occasional glass of wine at home might actually be a good thing:
Several studies have shown that the younger kids are when they start to drink, the more likely they are to develop severe drinking problems. But the kind of drinking these studies mean–drinking in the woods to get bombed or at unattended homes–is particularly high risk.
Research published in the Journal of Adolescent Health in 2004 found that adolescents whose parents permitted them to attend unchaperoned parties where drinking occurred had twice the average binge-drinking rate. But the study also had another, more arresting conclusion: Children whose parents introduced drinking to the children at home were one-third as likely to binge.
“It appears that parents who model responsible drinking behaviors have the potential to teach their children the same,” noted Kristie Foley, the principal author of the study. While the phrasing was cautious, the implication of the study’s finding needs to be highlighted: Parents who do not introduce children to alcohol in a home setting might be setting them up to become binge drinkers later on. You will not likely hear this at your school’s parent drug- and alcohol-awareness nights.
Absolutely not, because as with the war on terra, hysteria must be maintained at the expense of fact at all times.
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There are currently 15 comments on this blog postView Topic | Comment on this blogPericles 9/6/07 2:34 PM | QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Sep 6 2007, 12:05 PM) [snapback]318529[/snapback]
Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post. Responsible drinking is just one small part of what kids should learn from their parents. Since these parents flaunt the law, and encourage their kids to do the same, what other behaviors are these kids more likely to engage in that also skirt the law? You'll have your opportunity to make a choice about this issue Gil. For me, the straight and narrow, obey the law, always try to do the right thing, was the best approach for my kids. It may have caused a bit of rebellion at the time, but later in life I believe that it paid off.
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dodgecrew 9/6/07 3:23 PM | I completely disagree with the statement that not introducing them to alcohol at an early age will cause later harm. The law is the law. Drinking under the age of 21 is against the law. By "introducing" them before this age is encouraging them and teaching them that it is okay to break the law. The same goes with smoking. I feel that a parents actions speak more louder than their words. I think that it was a Beastie Boys song that had the lyrics that went something like this.............
"your father caught you smoking and he said no way"
"that hypocrite smokes three packs a day"
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BAG-17 9/6/07 5:05 PM | Driving too fast is against the law, but most if not all of us have set that as a bad example for our children. |
emitmieh 9/6/07 10:03 PM | Responsible Parenting = Responsible Children.
It can be difficult and trying at times but its not rocket science.
"Research published in the Journal of Adolescent Health in 2004 found that adolescents whose parents permitted them to attend unchaperoned parties where drinking occurred had twice the average binge-drinking rate."
I would not consider that responsible parenting! Sadly, some of those parents have had the unconscionable experience of buying their children.
The study IMHO is common sense.
Here is a picture of H.L. Menken (" The most costly of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true.") drinking a beer at breakfast.
http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/7000999...999004171-m.jpg
[img]http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700099990244/9999004171-m.jpg[/img] I don't think that he had any children officially(who knows?) so i guess its OK.
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ihavehorns 9/7/07 7:39 AM | Growing up in an italian family, wine was served with dinner every night. My parents didn't sit there and get drunk, they enjoyed a glass of wine to compliment the food. Sunday dinner always ended with fruit, nuts and some sort of cake. Along with this last course, black coffee was served with Sambuca liqueur.
As kids we were given a small glass of wine on Sunday with mostly ginger ale added. We used to dip the end of the italian bread in it. We were also given a tiny bit of sambuca to dip our sesame cookies into. We never saw anyone at our table get drunk or binge alcohol. Good wine and liqueurs were there to compliment the food, not to drink to the point of getting drunk.
I think kids should be taught that alcohol is dangerous when used irresponsibly. Binge drinking is never okay. Parents should set the example. I cringe when I go to parties where parents are binge drinking in front of their children. (I think we discussed in another thread why kids don't belong at those kinds of adult parties anyway!)
Just my opinion. |
Scubabike420 9/7/07 8:39 AM | Alcohol has been a part of human civilization for thousands of years. As horns has mentioned, it is used to complement food and is part of socializing in many cultures. This study shows that in the absences of responsibly including children in this process, they are more likely to use alcohol irresponsibly. People can jump up and down, stomping their feet and saying its against the law, but it doesn't change the results of this study. |
solitary 9/7/07 10:05 AM | QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Sep 7 2007, 07:39 AM) [snapback]318710[/snapback] Growing up in an italian family, wine was served with dinner every night. My parents didn't sit there and get drunk, they enjoyed a glass of wine to compliment the food. Sunday dinner always ended with fruit, nuts and some sort of cake. Along with this last course, black coffee was served with Sambuca liqueur.
As kids we were given a small glass of wine on Sunday with mostly ginger ale added. We used to dip the end of the italian bread in it. We were also given a tiny bit of sambuca to dip our sesame cookies into. We never saw anyone at our table get drunk or binge alcohol. Good wine and liqueurs were there to compliment the food, not to drink to the point of getting drunk.
I think kids should be taught that alcohol is dangerous when used irresponsibly. Binge drinking is never okay. Parents should set the example. I cringe when I go to parties where parents are binge drinking in front of their children. (I think we discussed in another thread why kids don't belong at those kinds of adult parties anyway!)
Just my opinion. I had the exact same expereince, except being from a German household, it was beer. I was allowed to drink from the time I could hold a bottle. I didn't develop a taste for it until my teenage years. Last weekend, I bought the first case of beer I've had since New Years, that case lasted until May. I drank a beer on the porch that night. I drank a beer with dinner Friday. I drank one around lunch time on Saturday (was working in the yard, said "hey, a beer sounds good") I drank one with dinner on Sunday. At which point, my seven year old started repeating some MADD drivel about how drinking is bad. I haven't a clue when or where she heard this, but her mom quickly pointed out that drinking a beer every now and again is no big deal. Drinking a case is not. I've given her a very small glass of champaign at a wedding. She likes it. She's tried beer, doesn't like it. We also have very strong (both alcohol content and taste) liquors in the house, like Grappa (resembles whiskey) and tequila. The kids have asked to try them and do not like them at all.
My father used to have almost mutant like ability to hold his liquor. He's a big guy, besting me by at least 60-80lbs. I've watched him drink a case of beer while putting shingles on a roof. I remember once he drank at least a litre, maybe two of wine at a party. He acted the same as if he were sober. I've never seen him drunk. He doesn't drink now, diabetes curbed that. My great uncle drank a strong manhattan (three shots of liquor) every evening. Never saw him drunk either. My grandmother would drink a beer or two most nights.
You learn what you see as a kid.
Prohibition didn't work then, it doesn't work now. If you want to see binge drinking and drunk driving reduced, repeal 21 means 21 laws. All of Europe you can drink before you can drive (age wise). Most have laws regarding drinking age, but rarely enforce them. There are very few alcoholics in Europe compared to America. Unless you use the MADD standard: if you drink more than one alcoholic beverage at a time, or if you drink any alcohol on a daily basis you're a no-good useless drunk. |
BAG-17 9/7/07 11:01 AM | When you make something taboo, seem that's all you want to do.  |
BeingReal 9/7/07 1:31 PM | QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Sep 7 2007, 07:39 AM) [snapback]318710[/snapback] Growing up in an italian family, wine was served with dinner every night. My parents didn't sit there and get drunk, they enjoyed a glass of wine to compliment the food. Sunday dinner always ended with fruit, nuts and some sort of cake. Along with this last course, black coffee was served with Sambuca liqueur.
As kids we were given a small glass of wine on Sunday with mostly ginger ale added. We used to dip the end of the italian bread in it. We were also given a tiny bit of sambuca to dip our sesame cookies into. We never saw anyone at our table get drunk or binge alcohol. Good wine and liqueurs were there to compliment the food, not to drink to the point of getting drunk.
I think kids should be taught that alcohol is dangerous when used irresponsibly. Binge drinking is never okay. Parents should set the example. I cringe when I go to parties where parents are binge drinking in front of their children. (I think we discussed in another thread why kids don't belong at those kinds of adult parties anyway!)
Just my opinion.
We were raised in a similar manner except that wine was served on holidays or at special events. My parents couldn't afford to spend much on alcohol, so they tended to buy Andre Cold Duck and lambrusco -- two wines I still cannot drink today because I never liked them to start. We also received real wine/water with Communion in our Protestant church service (when I converted to Catholicism as an adult, I was surprised to learn that wine wasn't part of the Eucharist for the congregation anymore).
Was I always responsible? Not so much so in college (drink of choice was beer, which neither of my parents drank at all), but I lived on campus so driving wasn't an issue. Later, most of my irresponsible drinking happened when I was staying in downtown Philly with friends. After you see three of your college classmates die or nearly die in drunk driving accidents and another one lose his best friend and end up with some serious injuries himself from being hit by a drunk driver, you figure out pretty quickly that you don't get into a car when you've had too much to drink or when you think the driver might have.
While I eventually figured that out, I don't want my kids to take the few risks I did. I'd like them to be more responsible than I was, so I'll be addressing this with them when the time comes.
I agree with BAG-17...The more taboo you make something, the more people tend to want it.
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usedmeat 9/8/07 3:21 PM | Before the Liquor Nazis made it a crime we used to bring in the New Year with a Asti toast from crystal goblets. Mom and I would have a half or more and the kids would have a splash in theirs. Some parents would dilute wine with water for the kids.
Now that they are of age none of them has been irresponsible. Knock on wood.
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Bigmaclender2 12/31/07 9:35 PM | I agree with Bag and BeingReal....In Germany the legal drinking age is 18 years old. Germany has one of the lowest numbers when it comes to underage drinking. This is because they are able to handle it and are responsible with it. If 18 is old enough to vote and enlist in our armed forces to fight for our country then why isn't it old enough to be responsible drinking?
I know I see a ton of middle aged men riding bikes that don't look very happy doing so......you know they are the byproduct of a DUI or more. Irresponsiblity when it comes to alcohol knows no age. Let them have a shot on me..........
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harv1 12/31/07 10:00 PM | Reading these posts brought to mind something I have observed along the way. A lot of people who were brought up by alcoholics are often the most strict parents when it comes to not allowing their kids to drink. Italians and Germans have very low rates of alcoholism as noted above... whereas the Irish and Native Americans have very high rates. Genetic make up, phenomenologic breakdown due to forced religious conversions and other ideas have been proffered as to why the Irish and Native Americans have such high rates of alcoholism.
Those alcoholic-raised parents are often very strict when it came to not allowing their kids to drink and that is because, I'm sure, they saw a lot of heartache brought about by drinking. From what I've read, the earlier a kid, from an alcoholic-ridden family, drinks, the more of a chance he/she will be an alcoholic adult. Examples posted here on this thread are good indicators as to why parents are often the best judges as to whether their kids should drink or not. |
Bigmaclender2 12/31/07 10:35 PM | That is a brilliant observation and SO TRUE. Nicely put.........
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Paul Sweedlepipe 1/1/08 11:11 AM | I've been drinking beer my whole life. We were always allowed a swig or two from my dad's nightly beer and it never created a mystery around it for any of us. I never went through that college phase of drinking myself into oblivion like so many kids do when they get their first taste of alcohol. |
pml 1/1/08 11:26 AM | I agree with PAul. When I was about twelve my mom let me have a quarter of a glass of wine on Thanksgiving and New Years Eve. It amounted to 3 or 4 sips and I had to make it last because there was no more coming. I know people who drink wine like it is soda whereas I learned that wine is for sipping and one glass usually lasts me over an hour. I never drank in high school with my friends because they drank beer and I hated it, still do. When I turned 21, many bars did not have wine like we had at home and I did not like what was available so I would drink fruity, "girly drinks" which did not make me drunk.
Now of course I have had my share of drunk nights but I am 43 years old now. In my twenties when everybody was binge drinking I did not partake. I believe it was because I did not need to experiment. No one here is advocating getting your children rip roaring drunk by any means but letting them know that drinking is not taboo but should be controlled is a good thing. Just like in Europe.
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