The lies we believe

September 5th, 2007 4:41 pm · 14 comments

A second history class last evening, with the discussion focusing on the Missouri Compromise, the role slavery played in the crisis and how these were perhaps the first tears in the national fabric that would lead to civil war.

It’s fascinating stuff for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that when we’re in school, we certainly learn that slavery was the cause of the Civil War, but the general assumption is that the moral aspects of slavery made war inevitable. But of course that’s not really the way it was; or rather, it was only a part of how slavery prompted the war - and a relatively small part at that.

What was at the bottom of the disagreement over slavery, rather, was power and economics. Slave power and the degree to which the north felt aced out by it, and pushed to end a system that by that time, with the skyrocketing price of cotton, was earning fortunes for the southern planter class beyond anything they’d known.

Then as now, political power flowed from economic power. The people with the money ran the show. And it struck me, in the course of discussion last night, that the northern interests who sought to curtail the south’s political power and perhaps in doing so increase their own political and economic clout used moral objections to slavery - much in the same way the modern-day Republican Party uses objections to abortion to buttress its own power.

Likewise, the southern political elite used arguments about attacks on the “southern way of life” to stir up the vast majority of ordinary southerners who didn’t own slaves and might not have been inclined to fight on behalf of those who did.

I’ve a paper to write this semester and it may be on this topic; how the political elite used the soaring rhetoric of patriotism and morality to convince everyday people to don a uniform and fight the Civil War. Because having watched the process in action during the run-up to the Iraq war, I’ve been fascinated by it. Still, now, right-wingers like to pretend this war was about spreading freedom or stopping the spread of WMDs, blah blah blah. But all along, that was the political cover; all along, that was the feel-good story concocted with the specific purpose of convincing people to support the war.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m certain right-wingers fervently believe in these concocted causes; I’m absolutely sure many of our troops in Iraq are, in their own minds, fighting for freedom. But I do not believe that this was the real reason they were sent to fight. And I’m beginning to think such noble causes never really are.

How many would have supported this war if they were told the real reasons the economic and political elite in this country wanted to fight it? And wingers, don’t kid yourselves - this war would have never happened had the elite not been in favor of it. They knew that America’s energy future must be secured; that is not to say we were merely going to “steal” Iraq’s oil; but that Iraq had to be brought into the economic community of nations; that given how integral oil is to the American and global economy we absolutely needed to at least attempt political stabilization of the region where the bulk of it remains.

You and I, though, would not send our children to fight for such crass things. But we would send them to fight for freedom - wouldn’t we? And we would send them to prevent “another Hitler” from getting his hands on nuclear weapons - wouldn’t we?

And so what you get, in effect, is a marketing campaign: A marketing campaign for war. There’s absolutely truth behind it; but various aspects are puffed up, some glossed over. It’s designed to inspire, or at least inspire fear; you touch the emotional bases and then the people who you need to support it - or fight it - hop on the bandwagon.

That was then, this is now; but the manner in which the elite marshall their arguments remains the same, I am convinced. We’ve got better tools now - I’m sure the southern planters would have made good use of Fox News - but we need them to pull people away from the comforts of modern life.

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  14 comments  Tags: National Security · History · Oil · War in Iraq · national politics

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cyberscribbler
9/6/07
9:59 AM
QUOTE(Gil_Smart)
How many would have supported this war if they were told the real reasons the economic and political elite in this country wanted to fight it? And wingers, don’t kid yourselves - this war would have never happened had the elite not been in favor of it. They knew that America’s energy future must be secured; that is not to say we were merely going to “steal” Iraq’s oil; but that Iraq had to be brought into the economic community of nations; that given how integral oil is to the American and global economy we absolutely needed to at least attempt political stabilization of the region where the bulk of it remains.


Do you expect a crowd, who's allegiance to the cause was sold by uttering "We're fighting them over there, so we don't have to here" , to fully comprehend this?

One can only hope.



bigstew
9/6/07
12:28 PM
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I’m sure the southern planters would have made good use of Fox News


Are you suggesting an allegiance between democrats and Fox news? Wow, Gil, this is big.


Oh, and about the civil war thingy, I have got a few books you may want to traverse before making up your mind on the whole cause and effect scenario.
cyberscribbler
9/6/07
3:26 PM
QUOTE(bigstew @ Sep 6 2007, 12:28 PM) [snapback]318544[/snapback]
I have got a few books you may want to traverse before making up your mind on the whole cause and effect scenario.
Did you read any of them?
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Pericles
9/6/07
3:54 PM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Sep 6 2007, 09:59 AM) [snapback]318470[/snapback]


Do you expect a crowd, who's allegiance to the cause was sold by uttering "We're fighting them over there, so we don't have to here" , to fully comprehend this?

One can only hope.



No more than the "Bush lied, kids died" crowd is likely to comprehend the consequences of allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven in Iraq.

Regarding the Civil War, it seems to me that it's quite fashionable for the Left to downplay the importance of slavery. I don't understand why that is, but it is nonetheless.

Maybe it has something to do with the Left's belief that this country has no redeeming values, and never had any, that everything that we've ever done was for selfish purposes.

Hundreds of thousands died to make men free. It's shameful the way history is being revised.

QUOTE(bigstew @ Sep 6 2007, 12:28 PM) [snapback]318544[/snapback]


Oh, and about the civil war thingy, I have got a few books you may want to traverse before making up your mind on the whole cause and effect scenario.


You're right. This liberal myth has been debunked. The war was about slavery.
gsmart
9/6/07
3:56 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Sep 6 2007, 03:54 PM) [snapback]318614[/snapback]


The war was about slavery.




Of course it was, but slavery in primarily an economic and political sense. Do you know what the term "slave power" meant?


The problem posed by slavery, it was claimed, was not so much the mistreatment of slaves (a theme that abolitionists emphasized), but rather the political threat to American republicanism, especially as embraced in Northern free states. The Free Soil Party first raised this warning in 1848, arguing that the annexation of Texas as a slave state was a terrible mistake. Their rhetoric carried strong negative connotations and was the subject of repeated attack by the Republican party as it emerged in 1854.


The Republican argument was that slavery was economically inefficient, compared to free labor, and was a deterrent to the long-term modernization of America. Worse, said the Republicans, the Slave Power, deeply entrenched in the "Solid South", was systematically seizing control of the White House, the Congress, and the Supreme Court.
justplainjoe
9/6/07
3:57 PM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Sep 6 2007, 03:54 PM) [snapback]318614[/snapback]


No more than the "Bush lied, kids died" crowd is likely to comprehend the consequences of allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven in Iraq.



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well al qeada has a safe haven now, thanks to the hairbrained invasion, but when we leave the iraqis will take care of al qeada poste haste.

Artie See
9/6/07
10:17 PM
QUOTE(Gil Smart)
Then as now, political power flowed from economic power. The people with the money ran the show.
Which is exactly how "they" got away with railroading through the taxpayer-financed hotel and convention center project.

QUOTE(Gil Smart)
That was then, this is now; but the manner in which the elite marshall their arguments remains the same, I am convinced. We’ve got better tools now - I’m sure the southern planters would have made good use of Fox News - but we need them to pull people away from the comforts of modern life.
Which is exactly why "they" get away with it: people are far more interested in their television shows, baseball games, movies, football games, and video games than they are in learning the TRUTH, instead of what is being spoon-fed to us.
usedmeat
9/6/07
11:48 PM
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Oh, and about the civil war thingy, I have got a few books you may want to traverse before making up your mind on the whole cause and effect scenario.
Traverse? Move through? As opposed to reading and comprehending? Tell me, are they written in crayon with colorful drawings?

I always thought one of the reasons for the war was because the South could sell it's cotton to Britan for more than the North could afford.

Also if Eli Whitney hadn't invented the Cotton Gin cotton wouldn't have become the cash crop it was and slavery would have died out.

palmer
9/7/07
12:21 AM
The popular belief about the Civil War is that it was about slavery. It was not. The abolition of slavery was a by-product, albeit best by-product, of the Civil War.
cyberscribbler
9/7/07
8:03 AM
QUOTE(Pericles @ Sep 6 2007, 03:54 PM) [snapback]318614[/snapback]
Maybe it has something to do with the Left's belief that this country has no redeeming values, and never had any, that everything that we've ever done was for selfish purposes.

It's neither everything done for selfish purposes nor completely altruistic.

Nuances, remember.

Iraq is "being done" to the benefit of big oil - run the oil fields, revenue to be finalized once the Iraqi parliament signs the production sharing agreements which Bushco drew up for them.

If only the Iraqis would wake up and smell the oil revenues awaiting them instead of killing each other off to prove which side practices the truest form of Islam.
lee41
9/7/07
10:06 AM
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Sep 7 2007, 08:03 AM) [snapback]318713[/snapback]

It's neither everything done for selfish purposes nor completely altruistic.

Nuances, remember.

Iraq is "being done" to the benefit of big oil - run the oil fields, revenue to be finalized once the Iraqi parliament signs the production sharing agreements which Bushco drew up for them.

If only the Iraqis would wake up and smell the oil revenues awaiting them instead of killing each other off to prove which side practices the truest form of Islam.


They smell the oil revenues. The Shia just don't want to share the oil or the power.
cyberscribbler
9/7/07
10:46 AM
QUOTE(lee41 @ Sep 7 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]318747[/snapback]
They smell the oil revenues. The Shia just don't want to share the oil or the power.
The Sunni regret boycotting the elections, on the insistance the the US provide a timetable for withdrawl.
They're still having trouble including the Sunnis in the political process.

bigstew
9/7/07
3:51 PM
QUOTE(usedmeat @ Sep 6 2007, 11:48 PM) [snapback]318665[/snapback]
Traverse? Move through? As opposed to reading and comprehending?




Sorry about that. I forgot you're a little slower than most.

usedmeat
9/8/07
12:17 AM
QUOTE(bigstewp @ Sep 7 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]318868[/snapback]




Sorry about that. I forgot you're a little slower than most.

I looked in my trusty paperback Webster's again, Stewie, nothing in the definition relating to reading. But then you're a defender of all things republican so I'm not surprised.
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