Craig could have done it here
August 28th, 2007 4:31 pm · 25 comments
Following the Larry Craig story, it occurs to me that what he’s accused of doing - cruising for gay sex is a public toilet - is the very thing I wrote about a couple months back at Long’s Park.
In talking to local cops, they said exactly what the cops are saying in the Craig case: That there’s a drill, a procedure to how it all works. A few taps of the foot, or whatever; code that those in the know - which unfortunately for the likes of Craig includes the cops - can understand.
When I wrote the local story of what happens at Long’s Park I included the assertion that however bad it can be, it’s certainly less than it was years ago, before police started cracking down. Locking some of the restrooms up tight made a difference. But perhaps the most interesting response I got came from a gay man, who noted that I’d written things in the past that might be construed as friendly toward the gay community; and now, why this hit piece? Why make a situation for gay men who may still be in the closet out of some necessity even harder by drawing attention to the situation at Long’s Park, and thus them?
And I remember thinking - and responding - that while I’m not unsympathetic to the plight of closeted gay men, a public restroom in a public park - or an airport, for that matter - ain’t the place for it. And to the extent that this causes a problem for closeted gay men, that they really don’t have anywhere else to go, well, I don’t know how to square that circle.
But there’s also got to be a vicarious thrill to the quick hookup in public. Why else would a U.S. Senator - who ostensibly could have his choice of time and place - be involved in such a thing? The danger is part of the lure. The furtiveness makes it all the headier. What I don’t know is whether this is more of an issue in a place like Lancaster County, or for a congressman from conservative Idaho, where by nature you have to be more furtive if you’re going to stay securely in the closet.
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There are currently 25 comments on this blog postView Topic | Comment on this blogusedmeat 8/29/07 1:16 AM | Read something on one of my lib blogs before I left for work. TPM, I think.
Larry Craig didn't expose himself, he didn't put his hand on the arresting officer's body, he didn't discuss payment. Apparently all he did was tap his foot and wiggle his fingers under the divider. God help anybody who has a nervous tic and drops their keys. Perhaps that's why he was arrested for disorderly conduct instead of soliciting. I mean if this gets any worse buying someone a drink at a bar could get you arrested. Gays on the prowl should develope a different set of signs. Like when washing their hands if they flip their tie out of the way over their left shoulder it could mean,"I'm game, are you?" If a guy flips it over his right shoulder it could mean,"I'm lonely, is your sister allowed out without a bag over her head and can I hook up with her?"
Nevermind.
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citydweller 8/29/07 1:36 AM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 29 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]316734[/snapback] if they flip their tie out of the way over their left shoulder it could mean,"I'm game, are you?"
I think that was tried in the late 70's / early 80's with the bandana thing. This color in the right rear pocket meant "x", another color in a different pocket meant "Y". I think all that happened was people stopped carrying & wearing bandanas for a few years because nobody could get the code right.
Whoa...wait, maybe you're onto something there, meat. Heck, we could have an entire congress attired exclusively in khakis and golf shirts before you could whisper "poofter".  |
usedmeat 8/29/07 1:46 AM | Wasn't there something with pierced ears too? |
justplainjoe 8/29/07 6:29 AM | so will larry be a registered sex offnder now? |
palmer 8/29/07 9:30 AM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 29 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]316734[/snapback] Read something on one of my lib blogs before I left for work. TPM, I think.
Larry Craig didn't expose himself, he didn't put his hand on the arresting officer's body, he didn't discuss payment. Apparently all he did was tap his foot and wiggle his fingers under the divider. God help anybody who has a nervous tic and drops their keys. Perhaps that's why he was arrested for disorderly conduct instead of soliciting. I mean if this gets any worse buying someone a drink at a bar could get you arrested. Gays on the prowl should develope a different set of signs. Like when washing their hands if they flip their tie out of the way over their left shoulder it could mean,"I'm game, are you?" If a guy flips it over his right shoulder it could mean,"I'm lonely, is your sister allowed out without a bag over her head and can I hook up with her?"
Nevermind.
Great post.
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gsmart 8/29/07 10:02 AM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 29 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]316734[/snapback] Read something on one of my lib blogs before I left for work. TPM, I think.
Larry Craig didn't expose himself, he didn't put his hand on the arresting officer's body, he didn't discuss payment. Apparently all he did was tap his foot and wiggle his fingers under the divider. God help anybody who has a nervous tic and drops their keys. Perhaps that's why he was arrested for disorderly conduct instead of soliciting. I mean if this gets any worse buying someone a drink at a bar could get you arrested. Gays on the prowl should develope a different set of signs. Like when washing their hands if they flip their tie out of the way over their left shoulder it could mean,"I'm game, are you?" If a guy flips it over his right shoulder it could mean,"I'm lonely, is your sister allowed out without a bag over her head and can I hook up with her?"
Nevermind.
From Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo, a note from a gay reader:
First, male-male sex in public bathrooms has been going on in America for at least 100 years...probably since the invention of the public bathroom. Our culture's lack of understanding of sexuality, and our gender-segregated bathrooms, created an environment where males naturally happen upon each other in stages of undress (much like the locker room). Such scandalous behavior has been uncovered at YMCAs (originally built as boarding houses for World War I soldiers), park restrooms, and transit station restrooms since the early 20th century. Typically, men who had sex with each other in these restrooms were caught by plainclothes investigators who pretended to accept their suitors' advances (and, in some cases, were quite passionate about their ... investigations) before booking them. Long prison terms, psychiatric "treatment", and public humiliation were common outcomes of these investigations. For most of the 20th century, there were very, very few public places in most of America for men to meet each other. There was certainly no public space friendlier to gays in Boise, Idaho, than the library and park bathrooms when Sen. Craig was a young man. I call them preliminaries because they preface more intricate coded behavior that can indicate a variety of things: whose stall the contact will happen; what activities are amenable to either party; whether money will change hands; whether there is a lookout; whether the place itself is safe; and much more. "Tearooms," as these bathrooms are called, established an entire non-verbal dialectic to facilitate sexual union between American men. They are as enshrined in gay culture as Sunday afternoon "tea dances," or Bette Midler singing at the baths, or Stonewall, or, currently, Internet dating. Even for me, as a young gay man from Wisconsin curious about gay sex in the mid-1980s, the park restrooms were the place where it all happened. The restrooms were not just an urban legend: they were living history -- noisy, confusing, heady, stinky, and nervewracking places for a sexual -- and cultural -- initiation. The codes that Craig and his arresting officer used (looking through the stall door; tapping one's foot; touching your stall neighbor's foot) are historical preliminaries to sexual contact.
Which leads me to this: we do not live in the 1930s anymore, or even the 1980s. One can make the distinction now between furtive behavior and discreet behavior. There are lots of ways by which and places where men can meet other men to wine, dine, kiss, screw, get married, or just civilly unionize. It doesn't have to happen in the bathroom, unless that is what you choose. I feel some fondness for tearooms, where men would look at me, then just 18, like I was Ganymede come back to earth. There is an excitement and danger and kink to public sex that I still enjoy, in empty cemeteries on moonless nights with someone I like, offending only the dead. There are so many ways to meet someone and approximate the thrill of the tearooms. We could say that Sen. Craig was just unimaginative, or wouldn't have it any other way; I think he hadn't caught up with the ways gay culture has changed, and he didn't know how.
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usedmeat 8/30/07 1:21 AM | A bit of trivia I read tonite:
The republicans are calling for Craig to resign but are silent on David Vittner who actually offered to do the deed. Why the hypocrasy?
Craig's replacement will be appointed by a republican governor, that's why.
The lesson here is if you are going to act like a republican in a men's room, your state's governor better be a Democrat.
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hahaha 8/30/07 3:27 AM | Is that why the Democrats are silent on the matter? |
justplainjoe 8/30/07 5:53 AM | QUOTE(hahaha @ Aug 30 2007, 03:27 AM) [snapback]317009[/snapback] Is that why the Democrats are silent on the matter?
would you feel better if they said "we told you so"?
your party ostracizes gay people to the point that they must operate in secrecy and shame. your party sits in judgement casting stones at people who are gay.
your party makes them feel like they should be ashamed of the way the god your party loves so dearly created them.
craigs problem is that he slimed the gays just like a good repub church going christian while being gay himself.
gee wiz a quisling in the repub party?
whoda thunk???
i remember an old bumper sticker....the moral majority is neither.LOL
your party make clinton look like "brother teresa"
bwahahahhahahahaaa
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hahaha 8/30/07 7:05 AM | Clinton got away with it - many people said it would be the downfall of people in public office - so I guess we can all say we told you so. |
palmer 8/30/07 3:43 PM |
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usedmeat 8/31/07 12:39 AM | QUOTE Clinton got away with it - many people said it would be the downfall of people in public office - so I guess we can all say we told you so.
Clinton got away with what?!?
He and Hilary lost $40K to a crooked partner in a land deal and the republicans just knew, just knew he did something illegal.
The republicans got respected jurist (and republican) Robert Fisk to look into Bill and Hillary's "wrongdoing" hoping to get him chucked out of the White House.
When Robert Fisk and the Resolution Trust Corp (government agency set up to investigate failed S&Ls like Neil Bush's Silverado that lost over ten times the amount of Madison Guarenty) found the Clintons innocent the 'pubies went ballistic. After fireing Fisk they appointed political hack Ken Starr to reopen the investigation.
Like Bush and his reasons for invading Iraq, every time Starr came up empty he branched out in a different direction hoping to find something.
Starr labored mightly and brought forth a Monica.
I wish I could tell bald-faced lies like a republican. It must be great screw so many people and not feel the slightest pang of remorse. I don't know how you guys do it.
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harv1 8/31/07 1:09 AM | Speaking of the Bushes, let's not forget his brother Neil whose wife left him because of his 'involvement' with hookers on business trips... That seems to get more people's goats here than the fact that Silverado tanked. |
usedmeat 8/31/07 1:21 AM | Teenage Asian hookers if memory serves ... |
hahaha 8/31/07 6:47 AM | QUOTE Clinton got away with what Lieing. Perjury. |
grieker 8/31/07 8:36 AM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 31 2007, 12:21 AM) [snapback]317333[/snapback] Teenage Asian hookers if memory serves ...
Ya know it is very hard to beat an Asian hooker
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cyberscribbler 8/31/07 9:18 AM | QUOTE(grieker @ Aug 31 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]317387[/snapback] Ya know it is very hard to beat an Asian hooker Ninja skills?
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ArtVandolay 8/31/07 10:44 AM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 30 2007, 01:21 AM) [snapback]316997[/snapback] A bit of trivia I read tonite:
The republicans are calling for Craig to resign but are silent on David Vittner who actually offered to do the deed. Why the hypocrasy?
Craig's replacement will be appointed by a republican governor, that's why.
The lesson here is if you are going to act like a republican in a men's room, your state's governor better be a Democrat.
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Idaho elected Craig by a huge margin, and any republican who runs next will win. So there is no threat of losing that seat to the Dems. In fact Craig would win if he were to run again, but he will resign today, as he should.
PS: remember Barney Frank's roomate/house boy/driver and the gay prostituition ring he ran with out of Barney's Georgetown townhouse? Barney claimed he wanted to be a Henry Higgins to the pimp. that by itself is a riot!
Barney knew nothing of the comings(no Pun) and goings at his residence!
Surrrrre!
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usedmeat 8/31/07 11:27 AM | How about a link to all this? |
palmer 8/31/07 11:47 AM | I suppose you are talking about Frank?
Washington Post story
QUOTE Frank, one of two openly gay members of Congress, confirmed Friday that he paid Gobie for sex, hired him with personal funds as an aide and wrote letters on congressional stationery on his behalf to Virginia probation officials, but Frank said he fired Gobie when he learned that clients were visiting the apartment.
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usedmeat 8/31/07 12:01 PM | He said she said with one of them motivated to embellish because there might be a lucrative book deal in the works.
Like all the trailer trash that came out of the woodwork to claim affairs with former president Bill Clinton after being paid by the Arkansas Project and the tabloids.
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ArtVandolay 8/31/07 12:25 PM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 31 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]317473[/snapback] He said she said with one of them motivated to embellish because there might be a lucrative book deal in the works.
Like all the trailer trash that came out of the woodwork to claim affairs with former president Bill Clinton after being paid by the Arkansas Project and the tabloids.
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If you need more just google Barney Frank Scandal, Plenty of material to back up from Boston Globe, Washington Post, etc.
Meat, you are really living in a dream world if you believe Clinton did not have multiple adulterous affairs. He was caught so many times, not just Monica.
The Paula Jones claim of sexual harrasment was true and was verified, they settled out of court. Again, google it.
Watch the Movie "Primary Colors". It's excellent and written by a Clinton insider.
Travolta was great!
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palmer 8/31/07 2:33 PM | QUOTE Frank, one of two openly gay members of Congress, confirmed Friday that he paid Gobie for sex
There is not much 'he said, she said' here.
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usedmeat 8/31/07 11:59 PM | QUOTE The Paula Jones claim of sexual harrasment was true and was verified, they settled out of court. Again, google it. And I'm the Queen of England. The suit was dismissed by Judge Wright. |
hahaha 9/1/07 3:21 AM | That funny. You both are correct!
"Paula Jones agreed to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Clinton on Nov. 13 in return for $850,000 – but no apology or admission of guilt from the president.
Two weeks later, when the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed the suit..."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polit...ones/pjones.htm
This also clears up the revisionist history of the left:
"Most obviously, without Jones, Monica Lewinsky might never emerged as a national figure. Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr might never have started investigating Clinton's sex life. And the president might not now be facing the possibility of impeachment."
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