A rambling discourse on the convention center

August 2nd, 2007 1:46 pm · 17 comments

Editor’s note: Way long. You’ve been warned. 

Okay Artie, I’m game.

In the comments here, Artie See - whose writing I enjoy - notes that while we agree on many issues, he believed that “we disagree on the single largest expenditure of taxpayer dollars in Lancaster County history…”

Well, maybe. I wrote about the convention center all of once in my column, way back in 1999, when we were still talking about a 61,000-square-foot facility (which, these days, seems almost quaint). I expressed some doubts that the promises being made then could be kept. Now that the project’s been supersized, I’m virtually certain that the promises - the projections - won’t be met.

And I agree that there has been much wrong with the way this project has progressed. That there was no itemization of the billing from Stevens & Lee was, and is, ridiculous. That project proponents decided to simply ignore the Brookings Institution and others who suggest that the convention market is soft - and that the assumptions underlying this project may be invalid - is reckless.

But while I may dislike various aspects of the project, the jury’s still out on others - and perhaps on the project as a whole. I’m on the fence, in other words. And when am I, of all people, ever on the fence about anything?

At the same time, I have some definitive ideas on how we got here in the first place.

Lancaster Newspapers and Fulton Bank got involved in this project essentially for two reasons. The first was that both have multi-million dollar investments in the center city, and wanted to protect those investments. A falling-down structure just a few doors up from your corporate headquarters, on arguably the most important corner of the downtown crossroads, simply ain’t good for business.

Beyond this, though, I will argue that a genuine altruistic impulse was involved in their decision to get involved in the project. I can tell you, working here, that this is an old-style paternalistic company, and that’s a very good thing for the people who work here. The company feels a sense of responsibility to its people, and to the community. And it was in part because of that sense of responsibility that LNP took on this project. Many of us who work for these newspapers wish it had been otherwise, for as my boss, Marvin Adams, has written on several occasions, we have not covered this issue as we would have had someone else been running the show. We have absolutely pulled punches. I can’t tell you how many stories I’ve seen of this community or that community which has similar, successful convention centers. But where are the stories on communities where convention centers have failed?

I can tell you of one, I’ve been there personally: Niagara Falls, N.Y. We stayed in a Holiday Inn directly across the street from the convention center; it was nice, but we were literally half a block from the ‘hood. Boarded up buildings, liquor stores, you know the drill. Right next door to the hotel was this tree-lined courtyard, obviously meant to be an outdoor mall. Every single one of the shops was closed, out of business. Down closer to the falls itself was another outdoor mall, about a third occupied, including the smallest, saddest-looking Hard Rock Cafe I’ve ever seen.

As I wrote shortly afterward, if this is the honeymoon capital of America, no wonder half of all marriages end in divorce.

But on the other, Canadian side of the falls, the town is thriving. They’ve got a casino. And that has helped turn it into a tourist Mecca; the place was bustling where the American side was empty. I counted seven of those huge construction cranes - the likes of which now towers over the old Watt & Shand building - on the Canadian side. That is an undeniable sign of progress, of success.

That is why I would wholeheartedly support the idea of putting a slots parlor into any Lancaster convention center/hotel. That is a persistent rumor that won’t go away, probably a whole bunch of nothing. But if it were something - it would go a very long way toward making the whole venture here a success, putting it on more secure fiscal footing.

I wonder, though, if those who have opposed the convention center on the basis of fiscal doubt would then support it - or whether they’d cast their lot with the anti-gambling moralists of the world.

Could the hotel/convention center be successful without this? Perhaps - though it depends on how you define “success.” I’ve had several local public officials assure me that there is all sorts of ancilliary development waiting in the wings to make sure that this is actually going to happen, and that if it does this restaurateur or that retailer will certainly pull the trigger. And then we’ll have all sorts of concomitant, taxable growth in or near center city. And then, even if the center/hotel itself doesn’t meet projections, it still will have realized the goal of revitalizing Lancaster, and the financial impact of failing to meet projections could then be mitigated.

Maybe. I’ve no idea how much of this waiting-in-the-wings development is real, concrete, committed, how much of it is theoretical. I do know that the job of luring retailers, restaurants and similar uses to the center of town is now in the hands of the James Street Improvement District and its director, Lisa Riggs, whom I’ve worked with on numerous occasions and about whom I can say, she knows what she’s doing and she’s good at it. It is not as if the city, at this point, is just permitting this thing to be built, sitting back and hoping they will come; the JSID in particular is out there beating the bushes. That is a hopeful development, and one wishes it might have materialized four or five years ago, rather than at this late date.

And so this, then, is what I think about the convention center. A decidedly mixed bag. And I might have written about this at some point had it not been for the fact that I have, on occasion, been called upon to cover this. Now our staff writer Judy Strausbaugh, who has covered the convention center issue, is leaving to take a position down south, and I may have to begin covering this issue again. Personally, I’d rather spend the next year back in court. But as a general rule, I have tried to avoid opining about things that I have actually had to cover. And that’s true of this issue in particular.

Those who have suspected this are right: Anti-convention center opinion hasn’t exactly been encouraged around here. Things might have been a little more, shall we say, fair and balanced had one of the newspapers, anyway, opposed it - or pushed harder for accountability. Even if all three newspapers supported it after long, thoughtful consideration, it just looks bad.

A while back I wrote in the print edition of the parallels between this project, on the local level, and the Iraq war on the national level. Parallels in how the “product” was sold; you might consider Judith Miller and “The Watt & Shand Building will remain dark forever” (project opponents know exactly what I’m talking about) in the same vein. In both cases, the assertion that we had no choice but the current course of action was and is patently false.

I have been a critic of how the national media treated the run-up to war, but locally I am of the establishment - a fact driven home to me when the establishment attorney kicked butt - as the establishment attorney would - and saved my butt in court last week (of course, as a buddy noted, had I not been of the establishment I wouldn’t have written the story, nor found myself in court as a result, in the first place). I’m not going to come out shiny happy in favor of the convention center, because I’m not shiny happy in favor of it. But neither am I convinced that it is guaranteed to fail in the broad scope of its aims; not merely to meet its own fiscal projections, but beyond that.

And even if it does - well, this isn’t the war in Iraq. No one dies. At worst, taxes go up, perhaps way up; but if that were to happen, it in fact becomes - or could become, if the local “insurgents” managed it correctly - the death knell for the establishment as it is now constituted in Lancaster County. People here are going to remember, as well they should, whose idea this was, who pushed and pushed for it, the promises made. And there again is the parallel with Iraq, in that if it does fail, its proponents will be saddled with that failure, it will be hung around their necks like a yoke. I don’t know that the establishment grasps this; I don’t know that project opponents fully grasp it, either. Success or failure, the convention center marks a turning point, the turning point; and if it is to mark the end of an era, the question down here, as it is up there with the Iraq war, is the same:

What comes next?

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Kate
8/2/07
9:13 PM


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That is why I would wholeheartedly support the idea of putting a slots parlor into any Lancaster convention center/hotel. That is a persistent rumor that won’t go away, probably a whole bunch of nothing. But if it were something - it would go a very long way toward making the whole venture here a success, putting it on more secure fiscal footing.

I wonder, though, if those who have opposed the convention center on the basis of fiscal doubt would then support it - or whether they’d cast their lot with the anti-gambling moralists of the world.


Gil - do you honestly want to see a slots parlor/casino in the heart of a historic city? unsure.gif




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Now our staff writer Judy Strausbaugh, who has covered the convention center issue, is leaving to take a position down south, and I may have to begin covering this issue again.

I wondered why I haven't read anything from Judy in the Sunday News. Please tell her that I wish her well in her endeavors.
gsmart
8/3/07
10:00 AM
QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 2 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]309924[/snapback]



Gil - do you honestly want to see a slots parlor/casino in the heart of a historic city? unsure.gif




I would absolutely support it. It would do more to foster economic development in the city than anything that has happened here - and anything that will happen here.

citydweller
8/3/07
10:27 AM
I really hate agreeing with this, but my disagreement is based on principle, not reality. sad.gif

The reality is that slots would bring tons of money into the city, lots of blue-collar jobs and a whole new class of gambler-tourists who would shop, dine & take in entertainment during breaks between tossing their paychecks into the bandit.

Sigh.....
runutz
8/3/07
10:59 AM
QUOTE(gsmart @ Aug 3 2007, 10:00 AM) [snapback]310019[/snapback]
I would absolutely support it. It would do more to foster economic development in the city than anything that has happened here - and anything that will happen here.


I think that you've got the right idea, just the wrong project. At the risk of being too self-referential, this from January 07:

"Finnefrock(sic) and company weren't crazy about their casino project, they just didn't go far enough. Incorporate the whole damn block, casino in the Bulova building, refurbished Brunswick on the other end, boutique shopping and entertainment venues between. Provides a destination and spillover rooms for the project that dare not speak it name. Heck, build a dome like Fremont Street and have Tom Jones play Binn's Park!

The two projects alone are a much shakier proposition. Together; home run."

Is this the type of development in the wings that is waiting to step off? The timing of the Brunswick renovations would seem to me to indicate something along those lines. Moving the casino development to the Bulova or other site gives the Partners cover from the moralists while taking advantage of the new hook for the bookers.
harv1
8/3/07
12:32 PM
Based upon all that has been said before plus all the machinations, politics, special interests, Historic Preservation Distrust insiders, the blocking of another casino project proposal, etc. etc.etc., this has to be one of the more surreal threads I've ever read on this forum.
hahaha
8/3/07
12:37 PM
My problem with the casino is the long term projection. Since many casinos seem to cater to seniors are they thinking that the aging population is going to get them more customers? Every place you look they are building casinos. Most states have or are in the process of legalizing slots. My fear is that it will be like convention centers. There will be a ton more casinos competing for the same amount of customers. Everyone tends to look at historical figures and I often wonder if they really think about the future and take a look around and come up with projections that are realistic.
charlie_crystle
8/3/07
12:55 PM
Just because the city is promoting it and competent people are beating the bushes doesn't mean it's a good idea. What question does it answer?



We have a 21% poverty rate in the city, over 10% unemployment, and 75% of the kids in the school district are growing up in poverty. This project does nothing for them, and only offers poverty wage jobs. And the people who are working on the project? Where do they live and spend their money? Not here, mostly.



The other "development" that might happen in conjunction with this benefits the few at the expense of the many.



Finally, $170 million equates to 170 $1 million small business loans. Given that small business is the true engine of growth in the US, wouldn't that produce a much better result than a moonshot project with a hotelier notorious for its lousy treatment of employees and a big space begging for conventions?



So what question does it answer?











Artie See
8/3/07
6:58 PM
Dear Mr. Smart:

Obviously you have given this topic much serious thought. That is all that can be reasonably expected from any of us.

Thank you very much.

If only many more people in positions of influence had given the subject even a fraction of the thought that you have...
Artie See
8/3/07
7:20 PM
Dear Mr. Smart:

Having re-re-read your thoughtful post, I would like to add a comment:

I don't believe the entire project will fail catastrophically. I might have at one time, but I don't any more.

Why?

Because the project will almost certainly generate SOME revenue, and SOME economic development. The question that directly affects taxpayers is, will it generate enough economic development to justify its costs?

I never publicly opposed the 1999 project, even though I believe the "hotel tax" is morally wrong, because that project didn't represent a significant burden to local taxpayers. I became involved only when the developers of the hotel asked for 20 years of tax abatement from the school district, which desperately needs the money. Tax revenue from the now tax-exempt nearly half-city block would go a long way toward easing both the City's and school district's financial difficulties.

I am convinced the project will result in just enough economic development for the public to be sold on the idea that it is a "success". Meanwhile, incremental tax increases will be demanded of both the City and County to cover the project's operational losses.

And very few people in the media will even mention "return on investment".
justplainjoe
8/3/07
8:52 PM
QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 2 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]309924[/snapback]



Gil - do you honestly want to see a slots parlor/casino in the heart of a historic city? unsure.gif







it sure would clash with the 99cent store and the pawn shop.

twinmom
8/4/07
10:49 AM
Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth. Gil brings up the Canadian side of Niagra Falls with it's casinos. Here's the difference. Those casinos have table games, this slots parlor in downtown Lancaster will not. I just don't believe that slots alone are going to draw the kind of people who are going to want to go out into the city and spend money there.
Artie See
8/4/07
10:56 AM
QUOTE(twinmom @ Aug 4 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]310326[/snapback]
Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth. Gil brings up the Canadian side of Niagra Falls with it's casinos. Here's the difference. Those casinos have table games, this slots parlor in downtown Lancaster will not. I just don't believe that slots alone are going to draw the kind of people who are going to want to go out into the city and spend money there.
I've spent quite a bit of time in Vancouver, British Columbia, where there are several slots-only casinos. I've personally visited two of them, on more than one occasion, and they can get packed with people.

As a Christian, I'm opposed to gambling on moral grounds. But I believe Gil is correct, and I've said this before: a slots casino in downtown Lancaster will provide substantially more economic benefits to Lancaster than any convention center possibly could. Remember, people need to eat, so restaurants in the immediate area are guaranteed to benefit. And it is very likely that visitors from outside the City will spend at least some money shopping. Of course, this ignores the potential social costs, which I will not debate here.
twinmom
8/4/07
11:02 AM
QUOTE(Artie See @ Aug 4 2007, 10:56 AM) [snapback]310328[/snapback]
I've spent quite a bit of time in Vancouver, British Columbia, where there are several slots-only casinos. I've personally visited two of them, on more than one occasion, and they can get packed with people.




I didn't know Vancouver had slots parlors. It seems like a great destination city w/o them. I have no doubts that they would be packed, but do the majority of these patrons come out of them to sample the nightlife, enjoy the shopping, etc.? Or are they just there for the slots?

usedmeat
8/4/07
11:48 AM
This is one of those rare instances when I am in agreement with Hahaha. What happens when everybody builds casinos?

If this was such a sure thing it seems to me there would be move private money in the mix.

Are we going to end up as Niagra Falls but without all the water?

As to the loss of tax revenue for SDL, isn't it time we started funding schools on a state wide if not national basis? We are a long way from the agrarian economy that the local shools was suited for.

Had Lancaster gone with a HACC campus in Watt & Shand I wonder how center city would look today?

johnq
8/4/07
12:01 PM
QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 4 2007, 11:48 AM) [snapback]310335[/snapback]
This is one of those rare instances when I am in agreement with Hahaha. What happens when everybody builds casinos?

If this was such a sure thing it seems to me there would be move private money in the mix.

Are we going to end up as Niagra Falls but without all the water?

As to the loss of tax revenue for SDL, isn't it time we started funding schools on a state wide if not national basis? We are a long way from the agrarian economy that the local shools was suited for.

Had Lancaster gone with a HACC campus in Watt & Shand I wonder how center city would look today?

I hate to do it, but I agree with you, too. One thing you can say about us republicans, is we only put our money into good investments (generally), so why wouldn't the local boys be putting more of their own $ into this whole thing? Personally, I'm following the $ of F&M and LGH, and I'll end up investing my $ around what they are doing, not the CC.



I believe if we had HACC there, we'd have people complaining about parking, too many kids downtown, etc, although the coffee shops and bars would be full. We seem to have a lot of glass half empty people around here, at least on Talkback.

harv1
8/4/07
12:21 PM
"Had Lancaster gone with a HACC campus in Watt & Shand I wonder how center city would look today?"

You need only take a look at other downtowns to see how schools are invigorating them. How would center city look today? Well, for starters, HACC wasn't opting to tear apart Penn Square. HACC caters to all age group learners and to folks who cannot afford a full four years at a university. So you would have folks of all ages spending time, and money, downtown. You'd have a nearby higher education institution that could offer the opportunity for city kids to be exposed to the possibilities of higher education right in their own backyard. You'd have folks who work downtown who would be staying to take night classes to better their chances at higher paying jobs. You'd have an opportunity to offer an elderhostel program for retirees who would enjoy taking an art appreciation class or something similar. Along with businesses opening for social settings, you might also have other businesses opening that cater to student needs etc. You'd have the renewable resource of education.

You'd possibly have new and/or invigorated rental properties for students who would like to live near where they work and go to school.

You'd have the renewable resource of education and tons of people who would want to eat, shop, socialize, etc. etc. A ready made resource to enliven the downtown district. You'd have a proven commodity, i.e. HACC and higher education. You might feel better about a possible increased taxpayer burden because city folks would have some direct personal benefits from the entire situation.

Parking? As the economy grew, it would be a profitable investment to build a parking garage for people to use. You could also build a parking garage a bit out of the center city that would have regularly scheduled trams etc. to transport people and students to and from the center city. Students could buy a monthly pass for the garage much like working folks do in Harrisburg etc. Short term and longterm parking could also be sold. And of course, daily parking. All folks being offered the free tram rides. The trolley idea could be tied into the mix for tourists who park at the "offsite" garage. That's what's being done elsewhere and on many existing campuses already. Resulting in many more people downtown with fewer cars/person than would have been otherwise.
Artie See
8/4/07
4:08 PM
QUOTE(twinmom @ Aug 4 2007, 11:02 AM) [snapback]310330[/snapback]
I didn't know Vancouver had slots parlors. It seems like a great destination city w/o them. I have no doubts that they would be packed, but do the majority of these patrons come out of them to sample the nightlife, enjoy the shopping, etc.? Or are they just there for the slots?
Vancouver IS a great city to visit. No, the slots are not a primary draw. I've been near several, the only really nice one I saw was in one of the buildings leftover from the "Expo 86" World's Fair. There is so much to do in the Vancouver area - you can literally swim at the beach and be skiing an hour later - that the slots are nothing more than a secondary diversion.

Vancouver, B.C. has a multitude of things to do at night, both downtown and in the surrounding areas. Robson St. is one of the best places to go shopping in the world. And the large number and wide varieties of restaurants means you will never get bored when eating out. I have an acquaintance who works in our Vancouver area office who has an apartment in downtown Vancouver; he says he NEVER cooks, since he's single he believes it is cheaper to eat out!

Since slots are still rare in Pennsylvania, and Lancaster doesn't have world-class diversions, I would expect that slots in Lancaster City would be a big attraction.

QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 4 2007, 11:48 AM) [snapback]310335[/snapback]
Are we going to end up as Niagara Falls but without all the water?
With $64 million due over the next 40 years, to be paid out of local tax dollars, this is certainly within the realm of possibility.

QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 4 2007, 11:48 AM) [snapback]310335[/snapback]
As to the loss of tax revenue for SDL, isn't it time we started funding schools on a state wide if not national basis? We are a long way from the agrarian economy that the local schools was suited for.
Agreed. The current feudal system is both wasteful and inefficient, as well as extremely unfair to all involved.

QUOTE(usedmeat @ Aug 4 2007, 11:48 AM) [snapback]310335[/snapback]
Had Lancaster gone with a HACC campus in Watt & Shand I wonder how center city would look today?
We wouldn't be talking about economic revitalization in downtown Lancaster.
It would have already been accomplished.
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