Leaked memo shows Moore makes local Blue blue

July 6th, 2007 4:11 pm · 31 comments

Check it out: Someone from Capital Blue Cross - that would be the outfit providing health insurance in 21 central Pennsylvania counties, including Lancaster County - leaked a memo to Michael Moore from the company’s Vice President of Corporate Communications, one Barclay Fitzpatrick. It was, apparenly, Fitzpatrick’s job to go sit through “Sicko” right here in Lancaster, monitor the audience’s reaction, and suggest a way to deal with it.

Fitzpatrick seems rather bummed. “You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore’s movie,” he writes. He also worries that “80%+ of the audience will have their perceptions substantially affected,” and that after the show people were hanging out outside the theater at Manor Shopping Center talking to one another - saying things like, “I didn’t know they (the insurers) did that!”

Fitzpatrick then suggests Capital Blue Cross shouldn’t attack the movie per se, but would be better off “distancing ourselves and our brand from the groups and motivations he attacks, demonstrating the good we do and achieve… and in articulating our disappointment that he did not address the truly relevant issue of improving our health and wellness.”

And then we get some talking points to that effect.

The letter, I think, shows the degree to which the health care industry - all aspects of it, even here in Little Old Lancaster - are freaked out about Moore’s movie.

Moore responds to the memo:

How ’bout a debate? No more secret memos and hand wringing about the millions seeing “Sicko.” Just me and your CEO openly debating the merits of a system that kills thousands of innocent Americans every year.

Typical Moore, of course. But let me be the first to suggest that if Capital Blue Cross were to accept the challenge, they hold the debate right here in Little Old Lancaster.

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usedmeat
7/8/07
10:57 AM
Think what happens under single payer, thousands of CEO's and upper management are out on the street. The rank and filers would be picked up by the government to continue doing the clerical work so they have a future. Keep this in mind when the propaganda starts to fly.
Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
12:19 PM
THE REST OF THE STORY.......





MichaelMoore.com : BlueCross Secret Memo Re: 'Sicko' ... "You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore's movie..."



4. Perhaps most damaging of all, Moore completely fails to address the most significant driver of health care costs - our OWN lifestyle choices - and seeks to focus attention and efforts on the alluring 'quick-fix' of universal health care.

It has taken a generation of POOR nutrition and exercise to get obesity and related health issues - and subsequent costs - to their current levels, and Moore's movie fails to acknowledge the causal relationship or need to change (he briefly touches the subject in a non-memorable way). Contrast this to the recent Health Care Symposium held in Harrisburg - where a panel of representatives from Government, Insurance, Hospitals, Business, Physicians, and even Lawyers agreed on one thing - that there was no quick fix and that Health and Wellness was the critical area of focus.

Suggestions
I believe the most successful strategy will not be in attacking the movie for its weaknesses or misperceptions, but in distancing ourselves and our brand from the groups and motivations he attacks, demonstrating the good that we do and achieve (aligns with BCBSA strategy), and in articulating our disappointment that he did not address the truly relevant issue of improving our health and wellness. We will convene a team to consider other approaches and work on potential messages for media inquiries, customer service, and employees.

Confidential Memo (from





http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=215
Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
12:45 PM
I saw "sicko" June 20, 07, at a private screening REGAL theater, Miami Beach.


MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT AGAINST THE MOVIE was that MOORE DIDN'T GET IN "THE FACES" of any CEOs. ISN'T THIS HIS SHTICK?

He had SEN BILL FRIST, MD in a number of shots. in one clip, Dr Frist is mentioning going up the butts of the "evil-doers" via colonoscopies(the ones with FREE health care that are detained at the U.S. Guantanamo Bay detainment camp).

MOORE never, never interviewed the good doctor whom is heir to the FOR-PROFIT HCA(recently went private).

nor, does MOORE mention the billion HCA paid out in MEDICARE/MEDICAID FRAUD to our gov't.

so, I felt he protected the for-profit more then the not for-profit companies.


web link:



Hospital Corporation of America -HCA Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




"the company was investigated by the government for Medicare and Medicaid fraud and paid a settlement of $1.7 billion, the largest fraud settlement in US history at the time. Then-CEO Rick Scott resigned but no criminal prosecutions resulted."






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_Corporation_of_America
Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
1:03 PM
PS-

MR MOORE DOES MENTION THE FRIST FAMILY in a letter to FRED THOMPSON.

of course it was never in the film...

MichaelMoore.com : A Challenge from Michael Moore to Presidential Hopeful Fred Thompson






4) Your relationship with the Frist family and by extension HCA, one of the nation's largest for-profit hospital chains. It has been reported that former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (who was renowned for his over-the-television-screen Schiavo diagnosis) is serving as one of your confidantes on your potential presidential campaign. The Frist family has historically controlled HCA, which paid a record $1.7 billion in civil and criminal fines, including a $631 million penalty for Medicaid fraud – in other words, ripping off the taxpayers.

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http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/...Date=2007-05-15
justplainjoe
7/8/07
2:10 PM
QUOTE(Daisy Lee Myers @ Jul 8 2007, 01:03 PM) [snapback]302757[/snapback]
PS-

MR MOORE DOES MENTION THE FRIST FAMILY in a letter to FRED THOMPSON.

of course it was never in the film...

MichaelMoore.com : A Challenge from Michael Moore to Presidential Hopeful Fred Thompson






4) Your relationship with the Frist family and by extension HCA, one of the nation's largest for-profit hospital chains. It has been reported that former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (who was renowned for his over-the-television-screen Schiavo diagnosis) is serving as one of your confidantes on your potential presidential campaign. The Frist family has historically controlled HCA, which paid a record $1.7 billion in civil and criminal fines, including a $631 million penalty for Medicaid fraud – in other words, ripping off the taxpayers.

(







http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/...Date=2007-05-15


wow fred thompson is getting advice from scumbag bill frist?


what is scumbag frist advising ferddie on, how to fool the stupid people?
skeptic2
7/8/07
2:44 PM
Joe



Frist went up against the president on stem cell resarch and tried to move forward the tribunals of the the detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Both of these things cost him.



If you don't like him because of his views on Terry Schiavo and abortion, you should say so. I really don't see these as defining issues.



If you think that he got into politics only to help HCA, this thought borders on stupidity. The guy is brilliant and halted a very succesful medical career. He did little or nothing that would help HCA while a senator.



If you are against Tort Reform, I hope you like being cared for by mid-level providers, because that will be the legacy in Pennsylvania of the failure to deal with medical liability reform in this decade .

Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
3:06 PM
read below..
Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
3:34 PM
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Jul 8 2007, 02:10 PM) [snapback]302764[/snapback]


wow fred thompson is getting advice from scumbag bill frist?


what is scumbag frist advising ferddie on, how to fool the stupid people?
.

THE FRIST family has known fred thompson for over 35 years!

Remember, HCA has a long history in Nashville, TN.

they happen to be good corporate citizens, but you CAN'T escape the fact that Sen Bill Frist, M.D at times protected his family dynasty!

daisy





FYI


Frist votes aid HCA's business interests;


Review of 10 years in Senate shows pattern of favoring HCA..


Frist, considered a possible presidential candidate in 2008, was dogged for years by complaints that his financial stake in HCA created a conflict of interest.




http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/malpractic...pageTitle=Frist









FYI- BILL FRIST BIO:

Bill Frist -

Bill Frist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Frist
Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
4:04 PM
QUOTE(skeptic2 @ Jul 8 2007, 02:44 PM) [snapback]302770[/snapback]
Joe







If you think that he got into politics only to help HCA, this thought borders on stupidity. The guy is brilliant and halted a very succesful medical career. He did little or nothing that would help HCA while a senator.



.



QUOTE(Daisy Lee Myers @ Jul 8 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]302772[/snapback]
FYI-

SENATOR BILL FRIST, MD-- PUTS MONEY FIRST, PATIENT LAST!





The good Dr. Frist voted against patients' rights to sue their HMOs for failure to provide adequate treatment, and voted to give tax subsidies to HMOs and insurance companies to offer prescription drugs to seniors, rather than providing them through Medicare. Frist has, of course, personally raked it in from the interested industries, gobbling up $123,750 in campaign cash from the HMOs and $265,023 from the pharmaceutical industry. Frist also took $130,204 from the food-processing industry — and then helped kill a bill putting teeth into the USDA's authority to crack down on processing plants that violate federal standards for bacterial and viral infection of meat and poultry





http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/the-bad-doctor/3253/
Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
4:30 PM
FYI- Fred Thompson in remission from lymphoma:



Senator Bill Frist - VOLPAC

http://www.volpac.org/index.cfm?FuseAction...iew&Blog_id=649
usedmeat
7/8/07
8:13 PM
Fred Thompson has cancer, dick Cheney's heart is a disaster area yet the question asked by the "liburl' media is, "Will Elizabeth Edward's cancer distract John from the duties of president?" rolleyes.gif
Daisy Lee Myers
7/8/07
9:26 PM
whoever rolls the dice.. will win!
skeptic2
7/8/07
10:31 PM
The original post that maligned Frist basically shows that Moore is faulting the former senator for things that happenned at HCA while he was in academic medicine and in politics.

And c'mon, tell me which candidate you like so that I can research questionable contributions that he has received.

Here's a different point of view- one that I'm more familiar with. Slate is not Fox News, by the way. Frist worked at Vanderbilt, that's not working for HCA. He clearly earned his position at the university (read the rest of his biography in the Wikipedia article you quoted).

http://www.slate.com/id/2126984/

"And in theory, states in which Republicans predominate should be good for business—lower taxes, less regulation, and so on. This is true—except if you're in the business of providing health care. The regions and states in which HCA has chosen to set up shop are noteworthy for their lack of businesses that provide health care to workers."
justplainjoe
7/9/07
5:22 AM
QUOTE(skeptic2 @ Jul 8 2007, 10:31 PM) [snapback]302838[/snapback]
The original post that maligned Frist basically shows that Moore is faulting the former senator for things that happenned at HCA while he was in academic medicine and in politics.

And c'mon, tell me which candidate you like so that I can research questionable contributions that he has received.

Here's a different point of view- one that I'm more familiar with. Slate is not Fox News, by the way. Frist worked at Vanderbilt, that's not working for HCA. He clearly earned his position at the university (read the rest of his biography in the Wikipedia article you quoted).

http://www.slate.com/id/2126984/

"And in theory, states in which Republicans predominate should be good for business—lower taxes, less regulation, and so on. This is true—except if you're in the business of providing health care. The regions and states in which HCA has chosen to set up shop are noteworthy for their lack of businesses that provide health care to workers."


oh please...frists family business was involved in one of the biggest rippoffs of the american taxpayer and this "brilliant" man was clueless?

sounds like a scumbag to me.

if it was some welfare queen ripping off yer precious tax dollars for $100 you would be screaming bloody murder.

as for schiavo this "brilliant" political hack diagnosed her from watching a 12 second video.

no wait..he misdiagnosed her for his own political expediency.
sorry but i guess we have different ideas as to what constitutes a scumbag.


Daisy Lee Myers
7/9/07
8:01 AM
the FRIST family is very powerful and dr frist was put into office to aid the for-profit hospital chains. PERIOD.

look up their good friend, thomas a. scully....

HE REALLY HELPED THE FRIST DYNASTY!


BY THE WAY ... THE $1.7 BILLION FRAUD HAPPENED UNDER the WATCH of RICHARD L SCOTT, CEO of then COLUMBIA/HCA! DADDY FRIST RESCUED THE COMPANY and changed it to: HCA.


STORY BELOW..
Daisy Lee Myers
7/9/07
8:13 AM
RICHARD L SCOTT

Health Care Renewal: Ousted CEO of Columbia/HCA Now Runs In-Store Clinic Chain

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2006/06/oust...ow-runs-in.html
skeptic2
7/9/07
9:07 AM
I just don't see it, but sure there was a potential conflict of interest..



Why send a highly-trained doctor to do your bidding when you could pick a dim-wit, finance his campaign and control him. Have u ever heard of someone named G.W. Bush?



Anyhow, you may not like HCA or the Frists, but I liked the idea of someone who is not a professional pol going to Washington. I think Dr. Frist just showed how difficult it is to maintain your own ideas when you continually have to compromise to get anything done.



BTW, please try not to single out for-profits. Try going to Sen. Grassley's web site and look at all the dirt he's unearthed on not-for-profit organizations including hospitals.

littledutchboy
7/9/07
9:27 AM
I’m not going to see Sicko, what would be the purpose? I already have a good ides of the pro and cons of are current system.



Single payer / state organized ( rationed ) health care is very very scary, Government in general is very inefficient and expensive, I simply don’t trust them, look at the current road and bridge debacle,, where did all the money go that was supposed to be put aside for our infrastructure?



2ndly there are too many citizens not working and many more that will no longer have to work once they get free healthcare.



3rdly the middle class will get stuck with the bill, just like always. The so called poor

( anyone that doesn’t earn a certain amount ) will get it free, the rich will be able to purchase premium healthcare.



I don’t like what I have, but I think I know what I have, Single payer plans? Sounds good until we get it, then…………………….we will all feel sicko.

Daisy Lee Myers
7/9/07
12:25 PM
LDB:

YOU ARE right.. the cost of a single-payer system to taxpayers will be a "medical holocost!"


skeptic:

i worked for HCA... i know them very well.

i wouldn't have dr frist crack open my chest or run my country either!

you are right-- the non-profit hospitals sux too!

daisy

miami beach

QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jul 9 2007, 09:27 AM) [snapback]302898[/snapback]
I'm not going to see Sicko, what would be the purpose? I already have a good ides of the pro and cons of are current system.

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Single payer / state organized ( rationed ) health care is very very scary, Government in general is very inefficient and expensive, I simply don't trust them, look at the current road and bridge debacle,, where did all the money go that was supposed to be put aside for our infrastructure?

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2ndly there are too many citizens not working and many more that will no longer have to work once they get free healthcare.



3rdly the middle class will get stuck with the bill, just like always. The so called poor

( anyone that doesn't earn a certain amount ) will get it free, the rich will be able to purchase premium healthcare.

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[size="3"]I don't like what I have, but I think I know what I have, Single payer plans? Sounds good until we get it, then…………………….we will all feel sicko.


Daisy Lee Myers
7/9/07
12:36 PM
THE GOOD DR FRIST AND THOMAS A SCULLY




Thomas A. Scully .... former hospital lobbyist presided over an agency that helped a chain he once represented win a favorable settlement in a Medicare fraud case.

Thomas A. Scully represented the nation's for-profit hospitals as a lobbyist before being hired by the Bush administration in June 2001 to head the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

Eight months after Scully arrived at the Medicare and Medicaid agency, it moved to settle final claims involving HCA Inc., a hospital chain that was the biggest member of Scully's former employer, the Federation of American Hospitals. HCA Inc. faced allegations it fraudulently overbilled the government for Medicare cases.

Under the terms agreed to in June 2002 by Scully's agency, HCA would have settled for $250 million. Medicare fraud cases typically are ironed out with Justice Department participation, but Scully agreed to those terms on his own, said John R. Phillips, an attorney who represented whistle-blowers in the case.

"The $250 million was a total sellout by Scully, who totally negotiated it behind Justice's back," Phillips said.

===================






http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ress=389x877011
Daisy Lee Myers
7/9/07
1:29 PM
2007-2008

Princeton University - Former Senator Frist to join Wilson School faculty


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:NAOfT...3Dannouncements
skeptic2
7/9/07
4:00 PM
so what does Frist have to do with an appointment to head CMMS ???
skeptic2
7/9/07
8:32 PM
sorry, didn't mean for it to be so big
Daisy Lee Myers
7/10/07
12:26 AM
the appointment helped the for- profit hospitals...

charlie_crystle
7/10/07
12:44 AM
QUOTE(skeptic2 @ Jul 8 2007, 02:44 PM) [snapback]302770[/snapback]
Joe



Frist went up against the president on stem cell resarch and tried to move forward the tribunals of the the detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Both of these things cost him.



If you don't like him because of his views on Terry Schiavo and abortion, you should say so. I really don't see these as defining issues.



If you think that he got into politics only to help HCA, this thought borders on stupidity. The guy is brilliant and halted a very succesful medical career. He did little or nothing that would help HCA while a senator.



If you are against Tort Reform, I hope you like being cared for by mid-level providers, because that will be the legacy in Pennsylvania of the failure to deal with medical liability reform in this decade .





The PA Family and Business Healthcare Security Act of 2007 addresses tort reform AND is a single-payer system. Look it up--HB 1660 and SB 300. Everybody in, nobody out, business pays less.

hahaha
7/10/07
6:20 AM
QUOTE
"Plans which minimize the disruption to the existing system are more likely to succeed than plans that rip up the existing system and start over," said Gruber, who has consulted with the three leading Democratic campaigns about their health plans. "It doesn't take a genius to see that. That's not to say that plans ripping it up wouldn't be better -- I just think they're political non-starters."


QUOTE
Its central elements would be providing subsidies to people who are unable to pay for health care, increasing the number of those who are enrolled in public programs such as Medicaid and creating a public agency to help anyone ineligible for the programs buy health insurance.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19686903/
Daisy Lee Myers
7/10/07
11:57 AM
web link:

MichaelMoore.com : SiCKO : 'SiCKO' News : 'SiCKO' Truth Squad Sets CNN Straight

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article.php?id=10017
Daisy Lee Myers
7/10/07
12:43 PM
skeptic:

below is a story on the BACKGROUND HISTORY of THE FRIST'S CONNECTIONS WITH THE POWERFUL FOLKS;

including BUSH, RAINWATER AND THE BASS FAMILY. the BASS FAMILY WERE BIG TIME INVESTORS OF Disney and HCA.

and RAINWATER was instrumental in getting THOMAS A SCULLY APPOINTED HEAD OF THE CMMS POSITION. YES, THE FRIST family got what they wanted.


but, HCA- FRIST FAMILY never expected the $950 million fine vs $250 million(they had to get rid of hospitals to pay off the fine).


these guys prevented RICHARD L SCOTT, CEO OF COLUMBIA/HCA FROM GOING TO JAIL FOR THE $950 MILLION FRAUD COMMITTED BY Their HOSPITAL CHAIN!

Right on the Money : The George W. Bush Profile


Right on the Money : The George W. Bush Profile

"One of Rainwater's first ventures after leaving Bass Enterprises was the creation of Columbia/HCA, Inc., which is now the nation's largest for-profit hospital chain. Columbia/HCA's operations were controversial from the start. Physicians at the hospital chain have a financial stake in the operation, which critics say carries the risk that they will put their own profits ahead of patient care. In 1997, federal agents raided Columbia/HCA facilities in Florida, Texas, and other states as part of an investigation, still ongoing, into whether the company had defrauded the federal government out of millions of dollars in Medicare reimbursements. The FBI, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Department of Health and Human Services are all involved in the probe.

In 1995, Bush vetoed a Patient Protection Act that, among other things, spelled out the obligations hospitals and health-care providers have to those who need medical care. In a written statement explaining his veto decision, the governor argued that the bill "unfairly impacts some health care providers while exempting others." He ultimately instructed his Insurance Commissioner to implement many of the bill's provisions as new state regulations. One notable exception was a provision that would have cut into the profits of Columbia/HCA."

The provision in question would have required health maintenance organizations to let patients see doctors outside their own networks. Giving patients this choice would undermine Columbia/HCA's ability to hammer out agreements with health maintenance organizations (HMOs) and preferred provider organizations (PPOs).

In 1997












http://pearly4000.tripod.com/htmls/bush-profile.html


Daisy Lee Myers
7/10/07
1:56 PM
skeptic:

ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE THE FORMER CHIEF OF CMMS, THOMAS A. SCULLY....

CHUTZPAH!!!


I'M NOT a skeptic when it comes to CMMS, THOMAS A SCULLY. HE first worked for a federation that garnered business for the for-profit hospitals(HCA). HE later TRIES to reduce HCA fraudulent fine, but fails.

then he takes a private job AFTER he leaves CMMS. THE NEW JOB IS helping a private company bank on the new drug prescription law that he got passed as head of CMMS!!!

ALL UNDER THE WATCHFUL EYES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!!


one word: CHUTZPAH!


******************************

Thomas A. Scully


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HsyCd...friendly%3Dtrue

QUOTE(Daisy Lee Myers @ Jul 8 2007, 12:45 PM) [snapback]302755[/snapback]
I saw "sicko" June 20, 07, at a private screening REGAL theater, Miami Beach.


MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT AGAINST THE MOVIE was that MOORE DIDN'T GET IN "THE FACES" of any CEOs. ISN'T THIS HIS SHTICK?

He had SEN BILL FRIST, MD in a number of shots. in one clip, Dr Frist is mentioning going up the butts of the "evil-doers" via colonoscopies(the ones with FREE health care that are detained at the U.S. Guantanamo Bay detainment camp).

MOORE never, never interviewed the good doctor whom is heir to the FOR-PROFIT HCA(recently went private).

nor, does MOORE mention the billion HCA paid out in MEDICARE/MEDICAID FRAUD to our gov't.

so, I felt he protected the for-profit more then the not for-profit companies.


web link:



Hospital Corporation of America -HCA Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




"the company was investigated by the government for Medicare and Medicaid fraud and paid a settlement of $1.7 billion, the largest fraud settlement in US history at the time. Then-CEO Rick Scott resigned but no criminal prosecutions resulted."






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_Corporation_of_America
Daisy Lee Myers
7/11/07
12:16 PM
web link:

'SiCKO' Builds A Movement | Campaign for America's Future

http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/sicko_builds_movement?tx=3
pml
7/11/07
2:24 PM
First of all it is not surprising that the big insurance companies are upset by this movie and wondering when the air is FINALLY going to come out of their balloon. They only make money when they deny claims and healthcare to people who, in good faith, pay premiums every month for that terrible day when we need them. If you pay premiums to a company it is probably thousands of mile away so you can not see the cars in the parking lots(BMW's) or the buildings they operate out of(super exclusive) You do not get to see the bonuses paid to employees for denying life saving procedures to ordinary people like you. I have witnessed all of this through research and family and friends experience. Basically what Michael Moore says about France is true. You have triple bypass, you do NOT get a bill fo it. Yes they pay more in taxes but they are not faced with waking up one morning $50,000 in debt from medical bills nor do they have their hospitals sending them to collections to get their money right away!! Sorry for typo's I cut my finger. Do non dare go to emergence. Hope it doesn't need stitches. WOuldn't go if it did. When you are underinsured you learn how to take care of yourself.
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