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We’ll always have Paris
July 3rd, 2007 11:21 am · 21 comments
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| pml 7/3/07 12:09 PM | Isn't it ironis that Paris who harmed no one served more time than Libby who put peoples lives in danger? This is a case of the wealthy being treated way worse and this judge wanting to embarass the Hilton family. |
| Pericles 7/3/07 12:20 PM | QUOTE(Lancaster Online @ Jul 3 2007, 11:25 AM) [snapback]301551[/snapback] Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post. Liberalism sure has come a long way from the thoughtful, intellectualism of people like Daniel Patrick Moynihan. It's been reduced to the sensationalism of the National Enquirer by the likes of our resident liberal blogger. |
| abc123 7/3/07 12:30 PM | QUOTE(pml @ Jul 3 2007, 12:09 PM) [snapback]301585[/snapback] Isn't it ironis that Paris who harmed no one served more time than Libby who put peoples lives in danger? This is a case of the wealthy being treated way worse and this judge wanting to embarass the Hilton family. No it's about a judge finally having the balls to standup and tell celebrities and the rich and famous that they aren't above the law. And last time I checked, driving under the influence and without a suspended license puts quite a few peoples lives in danger. As for Libby, well....Stupid is what Stupid does! |
| Daisy Lee Myers 7/3/07 2:15 PM | PARIS is one "EMPTY HILTON!" |
| Subsonix 7/3/07 2:31 PM | QUOTE Isn't it ironis that Paris who harmed no one served more time than Libby who put peoples lives in danger? This is a case of the wealthy being treated way worse and this judge wanting to embarass the Hilton family. So in your mind, driving drunk harms nobody, but a guy lying to feds about a crime he didn't commit affects us all? Great logic.  So no, it's not ironic. |
| pml 7/4/07 12:59 PM | Paris was not sent to jail for drunk driving. She was sent to jail for driving with a suspended license which every attorney in the country agrees does not equal jail time. She was not in an accident and did not harm anyone. Do we really think scooter is innocent? Please. |
| lanzate 7/4/07 1:54 PM | QUOTE(pml @ Jul 4 2007, 12:59 PM) [snapback]301839[/snapback] Paris was not sent to jail for drunk driving. She was sent to jail for driving with a suspended license which every attorney in the country agrees does not equal jail time. She was not in an accident and did not harm anyone. Do we really think scooter is innocent? Please. My how we love half of the story. Paris was stopped for reckless driving while drunk last fall. She could have gotten 6 months jail in the state of California but as is usually the case for first time offenders she was given probation and her license was suspended for 30 days. She ignored the suspension and continued to drive with a suspended license, something judges don't like so much right after they lessed her offence from 6 months in jail. That is how the jail time came in to play. |
| johnq 7/4/07 2:08 PM | QUOTE(pml @ Jul 4 2007, 12:59 PM) [snapback]301839[/snapback] Paris was not sent to jail for drunk driving. She was sent to jail for driving with a suspended license which every attorney in the country agrees does not equal jail time. She was not in an accident and did not harm anyone. Do we really think scooter is innocent? Please. In PA driving with a suspended license due to a DUI is an AUTOMATIC 90 day jail sentence. She got off easy. |
| usedmeat 7/4/07 2:25 PM | QUOTE So in your mind, driving drunk harms nobody, but a guy lying to feds about a crime he didn't commit affects us all? Great logic. Like most republicans you might be half right ... Maybe Scooter couldn't be convicted of an IIPA violation. We don't know because he did lie to the grand jury about what he said to reporters and when he said it. As to this administration's crimes not affecting us can you guarentee that? After Valerie Wilson was outed as cheap revenge on Joe Wilson and Brewster Jennings had its cover blown, you know for a fact that nobody in Iran or elsewhere in the middle east wasn't snuffed before they could deliver any information on nuclear terrorism? QUOTE In PA driving with a suspended license due to a DUI is an AUTOMATIC 90 day jail sentence. She got off easy. But PA has jail space something that LA county doesn't. Anybody else who did what Paris did would get a week then be kicked out to make room for real criminals. |
| juztruckin 7/4/07 4:05 PM | QUOTE(Daisy Lee Myers @ Jul 3 2007, 02:15 PM) [snapback]301680[/snapback] PARIS is one "EMPTY HILTON!" For Sure, Plenty of room on the upper floors. |
| justplainjoe 7/4/07 5:19 PM | QUOTE(Subsonix @ Jul 3 2007, 02:31 PM) [snapback]301690[/snapback] So in your mind, driving drunk harms nobody, but a guy lying to feds about a crime he didn't commit affects us all? Great logic. So no, it's not ironic. if scoot didn't commit a crime , why would he lie under oath??? paris and scootie are both republicans, by the by. |
| johnq 7/4/07 5:26 PM | QUOTE(usedmeat @ Jul 4 2007, 02:25 PM) [snapback]301847[/snapback] But PA has jail space something that LA county doesn't. Anybody else who did what Paris did would get a week then be kicked out to make room for real criminals. Where's your proof of that? |
| usedmeat 7/4/07 9:56 PM | QUOTE(johnq @ Jul 4 2007, 05:26 PM) [snapback]301864[/snapback] Where's your proof of that? You want proof, jonny-boy, you can't handle the proof. We all know that republicans are allergic to facts. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/...=la-home-center The Times analyzed 2 million jail releases and found 1,500 cases since July 2002 that — like Hilton's — involved defendants who had been arrested for drunk driving and later sentenced to jail after a probation violation or driving without a license. Had Hilton left jail for good after four days, her stint behind bars would have been similar to those served by 60% of those inmates. But after a judge sent her back to jail Friday, Hilton's attorney announced that she would serve the full 23 days. That means that Hilton will end up serving more time than 80% of other people in similar situations. The findings came as some critics accused Baca of showing favoritism to Hilton and as the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors launched an investigation into whether the multimillionaire received special treatment because of her wealth and fame. |
| harv1 7/4/07 10:06 PM | "In PA driving with a suspended license due to a DUI is an AUTOMATIC 90 day jail sentence." That's only if they catch you... If you report a person driving on a DUI-suspended license, that's not good enough for the cops to stop the car. They have to have a reason to stop the car other than someone's reporting a drunk driver who's driving on a suspended license. So there are probably hundreds of people in Pa. who are driving veerrrry carefulllly on suspended licenses right now and unless the cops have a solid reason to stop them - your report isn't considered solid enough - they'll keep on driving. |
| RonHarper 7/4/07 10:56 PM | People - here's the deal: It's poor policy to put people in jail who are not violent. There are better ways of punishing. I am not going to change my thinking because of who it is that should NOT go to jail but IS going to jail. Neither should you. rh |
| BeingReal 7/4/07 11:36 PM | Good point, Ron. I tend to agree. QUOTE It's poor policy to put people in jail who are not violent. There are better ways of punishing. |
| harv1 7/5/07 2:45 AM | RH: About the nonviolent offenders - A lot of nonviolent offenders do get probation for their first offense. What to do about repeat nonviolent offenders? Any good suggestions besides the usual punishment meted out? |
| johnq 7/5/07 7:34 AM | QUOTE(harv1 @ Jul 4 2007, 10:06 PM) [snapback]301902[/snapback] "In PA driving with a suspended license due to a DUI is an AUTOMATIC 90 day jail sentence." Duh. Isn't it that way with ALL crimes, ANYWHERE? If I kill someone and they don't catch me, I don't go to jail.That's only if they catch you.... |
| RonHarper 7/5/07 7:55 AM | QUOTE(harv1 @ Jul 5 2007, 02:45 AM) [snapback]301935[/snapback] RH: About the nonviolent offenders - A lot of nonviolent offenders do get probation for their first offense. What to do about repeat nonviolent offenders? Any good suggestions besides the usual punishment meted out? Yes... glad you asked. I have worked 45+ hours a week since I became an adult. I have stretches that were over 100 hours. I am not an exception. Instead of putting them behind bars where we pay for EVERYTHING, make them work a full time job AND a full time "volunteer" job. Do that the FIRST time - no probation with zero obligation. CONSUME THEIR LIFE so that they have something to do all the time. When they don't - they will want to sleep. Make their life miserable with things to do and they will not want to get into trouble again. Years ago, I was reading the program rules at Waterstreet Rescue Mission and was thinking, "Wow, that's pretty tough". Then I was like - 'Wait a minute, my life is harder than that!" I just never wrote down the schedule! Additionally, the state jail system needs to be fashioned like the feds. They have a low level where there is zero guns, barbed wired etc... People can walk out if they want. If they are dumb enough to do so - they go to the big house. That's bad. In Pennsylvania, all jails are bad regardless of the "level" they say they are rated. That costs lots of money and there is no incentive to be good. rh |
| BeingReal 7/5/07 8:05 AM | QUOTE(RonHarper @ Jul 5 2007, 07:55 AM) [snapback]301954[/snapback] Instead of putting them behind bars where we pay for EVERYTHING, make them work a full time job AND a full time "volunteer" job. Do that the FIRST time - no probation with zero obligation. CONSUME THEIR LIFE so that they have something to do all the time. When they don't - they will want to sleep. Make their life miserable with things to do and they will not want to get into trouble again. The only concern I have here is that if drugs are involved and the person's life is miserable, they will likely return to drugs for an escape. I'd prefer to "make their life FULL with things to do," not that I think things should be cushy but just not overly tough and miserable. Maybe require job training on top of work, like an apprenticeship, to give them skills to make a life without crime. I'm not a softie -- I just want to make sure that they are put on the right path towards becoming productive citizens rather than repeat offenders. Edited to add: I think this article demonstrates my concerns. This young man did not learn much from his prison experience, and he sure didn't get the mental health assistance he needed. So, how is our society any better off because of his incarceration? (NOTE: I do not dispute that he should have received jail time for some of his offenses, but I do take issue that the other intent of his sentence was to receive appropriate treatment, which he did not receive. He came out with the same issues he had going in -- except now, do we need to worry that he could potentially be more violent?) http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/206464 |
| johnq 7/5/07 8:10 AM | QUOTE(RonHarper @ Jul 5 2007, 07:55 AM) [snapback]301954[/snapback] Yes... glad you asked. I have worked 45+ hours a week since I became an adult. I have stretches that were over 100 hours. I am not an exception. Instead of putting them behind bars where we pay for EVERYTHING, make them work a full time job AND a full time "volunteer" job. Do that the FIRST time - no probation with zero obligation. CONSUME THEIR LIFE so that they have something to do all the time. When they don't - they will want to sleep. Make their life miserable with things to do and they will not want to get into trouble again. Years ago, I was reading the program rules at Waterstreet Rescue Mission and was thinking, "Wow, that's pretty tough". Then I was like - 'Wait a minute, my life is harder than that!" I just never wrote down the schedule! Additionally, the state jail system needs to be fashioned like the feds. They have a low level where there is zero guns, barbed wired etc... People can walk out if they want. If they are dumb enough to do so - they go to the big house. That's bad. In Pennsylvania, all jails are bad regardless of the "level" they say they are rated. That costs lots of money and there is no incentive to be good. rh |
