Surgeon general can cure teh gay?
June 4th, 2007 9:52 am · 41 comments
Say hello to James Holsinger, Our Glorious Leader’s nominee for Surgeon General:
[Holsinger and his wife] founded Hope Springs Community Church in a warehouse at 1109 Versailles Road. Calhoun called it a socially diverse congregation with a “very vital recovery ministry.” It serves the homeless and those with addictions to drugs, alcohol and sex; and it has a Spanish-language Hispanic congregation with its own pastor. […]
Hope Springs also ministers to people who no longer wish to be gay or lesbian, Calhoun said.
“We see that as an issue not of orientation but of lifestyle,” he said. “We have people who seek to walk out of that lifestyle.”
You know, I have no doubt there are many gay people who would love to “walk out of that lifestyle.” If they weren’t, in fact, gay. And the whole cure-teh-gay thing is expressly geared toward gay people who wish, desperately, that they just didn’t have to be what they are. And want desperately to believe that someone has figured out a way to change them.
But of course, it’s all a ridiculous lie.
In any event, as Josh notes, should be interesting hearings. Maybe he’ll come out in favor of leeches, too.
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6/4/07
11:41 AM | Believe it or not, using leeches in modern medicine is more apt to work than 'restorative therapy' for gay people. (do a 'leeches in modern medicine'search).
Another whack job nominee. We are getting so used to this that it's hard to remember back when the hue and cry went out when Dr. Jocelyn Elders was nominated for the same post... and she was denied the job because, GASP!, she admitted that certain 'behaviors' were normal.
Normal doesn't fly in this administration. Haven't you figured that out yet? Abnormal is becoming the new normal for this administration and we are so bombarded with it everyday that something like Holsinger's nomination will probably succeed and he'll just do another 'heck of a job' for the delusional.
The president has two unmarried daughters. They don't seem to be doing much these days. Perhaps he would like to offer one of them up to be married to one of Holsinger's cured folks. Then again, maybe one of the president's daughterr could be gay. You know, like the vice president's daughter? Wonder if Mary Cheney would like to avail herself of Holsinger's services and then get back to us and let us know if it works... |
UncommonSense
6/4/07
1:01 PM | Haven't there been cases of people who were gay, then became straight? Anne Heche for one. Is it not possible that both camps may be partially correct? Or, even mutually exclusively correct?
Can being gay be genetic for some and not for others? Does this disallow that for any one of inumerable reasons, someone may choose the lifestyle - then choose the alternative? Have gay people married, essentially chosen the heterosexual lifestyle, and then altered there lifestyle? Could a straight person choose the homosexual lifestyle, then alter their reality?
Is this a case where Mr. Smart is to preoccupied with his agnosticism, or dislike of most things Christian or Evangelical?
Which is not to say that I trust President Bush and any of his nominees at this point. History afforded him the chance to be a great President. He has fallen woefully, sorrowfully short.
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Shawn
6/4/07
1:24 PM | QUOTE(UncommonSense @ Jun 4 2007, 01:01 PM) [snapback]293749[/snapback] Haven't there been cases of people who were gay, then became straight? Anne Heche for one. Is it not possible that both camps may be partially correct? Or, even mutually exclusively correct?
Can being gay be genetic for some and not for others? Does this disallow that for any one of inumerable reasons, someone may choose the lifestyle - then choose the alternative? Have gay people married, essentially chosen the heterosexual lifestyle, and then altered there lifestyle? Could a straight person choose the homosexual lifestyle, then alter their reality?
Is this a case where Mr. Smart is to preoccupied with his agnosticism, or dislike of most things Christian or Evangelical?
Which is not to say that I trust President Bush and any of his nominees at this point. History afforded him the chance to be a great President. He has fallen woefully, sorrowfully short.
I think the broader issue is the belief that being homosexual is somekind of disease that needs to be and should be cured. Not so much what an individual chooses in regards to his/her sexuality regardless of the genetic implications. If a person who is genetically gay chooses to lead a straight lifestyle, that is his/her business. Its the mentality that homosexuals are somehow abnormal/diseased and need/should be cured that is at issue here.
Later...Shawn
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harv1
6/4/07
1:43 PM | Uncommon sense: I personally don't think that everything boils down to religion. Epilepsy used to be considered demonic possession. Diabetes used to be considered a curse brought down upon a person because of some sort of moral indiscretion. Strawberry birthmarks were considered a result of the mother looking at something evil. Spina bifida was thought to be a result of the mother doing something evil during her pregnancy. A woman not being able to get pregnant was considered "God's will." Large moles were the mark of the devil.
So many formerly held religious views regarding genetics and behavior have been trumped by science - to the benefit of so many. Because homosexuality is tied into S-E-X, it's going to be difficult, if ever, to change the hearts of folks whose hearts HAVE been changed by scientific research and discovery (in the areas for example that I mention in the first paragraph).
Most gay people view Ann Heche as an opportunist and someone suffering from bipolar disorder. Her life situation now, once again, is a mess. In her case, I don't think it's so much changing from gay to straight as being mentally ill and in the spotlight. |
Daisy Lee Myers
6/4/07
1:44 PM |
IT APPEARS THAT DR HOLSINGER is not a "hands on physician." excuse the pun.
he is an administrator and and educator;
lacking clinical experience!
at least past surgeon generals came from their ACTIVE specialties(surgery, internal medicine etc).
the good doctor is out of touch with what is REALLY happening in clinical settings(the real world of medicine).
just a good ole "policy" boy!
Kentucky.com | 05/25/2007 | UK's Holsinger nominated to be surgeon general
http://www.kentucky.com/211/story/79500.html
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cyberscribbler
6/4/07
1:49 PM | Exactly the qualifications needed in a Bush Surgeon General. Focus on curing "teh gay' not AIDS, rampant obesidy, high cost & availability of health care in this country.
[/sarcasm off]
So is this guy a bush pioneer, Jeb's college roomate? Inquiring minds want to know.
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harv1
6/4/07
4:11 PM | Cyber:The politics of this? UK has presently embarked on building a huge hospital to increase R & D and when you increase R & D, you are certainly headed on the path to get government bucks for projects. This nomination is political payback for Mitch McConnell's blind support of the Bush administration and selling the semi-senile Bunning to the voters by implying that his opponent was perhaps not 'one of you' because he was not married. (although there has always be a cloud over McConnell's own quickie discharge from the Reserves - McConnell also does not list any reference to the Reserves on his bio - McConnell denied ever being in the Reserves until this letter came to light: http://www.kernel.uky.edu/1996/fall/1101/news01f.html and started a firestorm of speculation). You can also bet McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao who is in the Bush cabinet lobbied for this one.
I'm wondering if McConnell and Holsinger were at the grand opening of the new Creationism museum in northern Kentucky. Posing with the statues of the kids and dinosaurs playing together...
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Goldilocks
6/4/07
6:17 PM | QUOTE(UncommonSense @ Jun 4 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]293749[/snapback]
Haven't there been cases of people who were gay, then became straight? Anne Heche for one. Is it not possible that both camps may be partially correct? Or, even mutually exclusively correct?
There are thousands of people who were gay and no longer are.
Just a few.....
Kristen Johnson
Mabel Sim
Penny Dalton
Dottie Ludwig
Dawn Killion
David Fountain
Alan Chambers
Ricky Ballinger
Donnie McClurkin
Bob Davies
BTW....what are "teh" gays?
QUOTE(UncommonSense @ Jun 4 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]293749[/snapback]
Is this a case where Mr. Smart is to preoccupied with his agnosticism, or dislike of most things Christian or Evangelical?
LOL......"Preoccupied' is putting it mildly, he is obsessed ! So much so that, as a journalist, he forgets to use spell check.
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tugrad
6/4/07
6:50 PM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Jun 4 2007, 12:24 PM) [snapback]293757[/snapback]
I think the broader issue is the belief that being homosexual is somekind of disease that needs to be and should be cured. Not so much what an individual chooses in regards to his/her sexuality regardless of the genetic implications. If a person who is genetically gay chooses to lead a straight lifestyle, that is his/her business. Its the mentality that homosexuals are somehow abnormal/diseased and need/should be cured that is at issue here.
Later...Shawn
Very well said, Shawn.
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Shawn
6/4/07
7:47 PM | QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jun 4 2007, 06:17 PM) [snapback]293832[/snapback]
How do you know they are no longer gay? How about a list of straight people who are no longer straight?
Later...Shawn
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caitlinndad
6/4/07
8:48 PM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Jun 4 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]293852[/snapback]
How do you know they are no longer gay? How about a list of straight people who are no longer straight?
Later...Shawn
You looking for a date ? , don't look at me .
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citydweller
6/4/07
9:14 PM | From www.surgeongeneral.gov/aboutoffice.html:
QUOTE Mission of the Surgeon General
The Surgeon General serves as America's chief health educator by providing Americans the best scientific information available on how to improve their health and reduce the risk of illness and injury.
This guy's career, and educational path, is pretty specific to hospital management. His experience lies largely with profitability and cost-cutting. Appropriate to the management style of the administration, maybe, but he brings nothing to the table relative to the job description quoted above.
May I be the first (in here anyway) to coin the phrase "Harriet Miers Syndrome" ? |
Daisy Lee Myers
6/5/07
1:02 AM | :
Urban Dictionary: teh gay
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PfUiO...erm%3Dteh%2Bgay
QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jun 4 2007, 06:17 PM) [snapback]293832[/snapback]
BTW....what are "teh" gays?
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QUOTE(citydweller @ Jun 4 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]293865[/snapback]
PLEASE NOTE--
dr holsinger has never served in the the miltary like the other surgeon generals!
I GUESS we will see what he can do in the next 2 years!
fatty kids and smokers are his conquest!
daisy
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BeingReal
6/5/07
1:03 AM | Learn something new every day! I was one who thought it was just a typo. Must be an especially blonde day for me...  |
harv1
6/5/07
2:13 AM | Another funny one is the deliberate misspelling of the word "porn" as "pron." |
Goldilocks
6/5/07
6:49 AM |
I thought the word “teh” was a typo, as well.
So Mr. Smart was denigrating the beliefs and opinions of a segment of society, namely Christians who disagree with him on the issue of homosexuality.
Oh what fun to bash Christians!! If it would be any other group ....there would be an outcry…. "Hate Speech" “Haters” , blah, blah.
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Shawn
6/5/07
8:35 AM | QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jun 5 2007, 06:49 AM) [snapback]293931[/snapback]
I thought the word "teh" was a typo, as well.
So Mr. Smart was denigrating the beliefs and opinions of a segment of society, namely Christians who disagree with him on the issue of homosexuality.
Oh what fun to bash Christians!! If it would be any other group ....there would be an outcry…. "Hate Speech" "Haters" , blah, blah.
That is not hate speach by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how many times you try to say it. He is expressing an opinion that differs with yours. Did he say that Christians should be killed because of their beliefs, should go to hell and burn, should be physically attacked and spit upon...etc. Those are all examples of hate speach. A difference of opinion is not hate, nor has it ever simply been used as such, nor is it necessarily dangerous when conducted in an intelligent manner.
Later...Shawn
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twinmom
6/5/07
8:45 AM | QUOTE(Daisy Lee Myers @ Jun 5 2007, 01:02 AM) [snapback]293905[/snapback]
I thought it was a typo also, but this line caught my eye:
Derived from the common mispelling of 'the'. (emphasis by me)
This was one of the first words my kids learned to spell, I didn't realize there was a common mispelling. 
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dodgecrew
6/5/07
8:53 AM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Jun 5 2007, 08:35 AM) [snapback]293953[/snapback] .......A difference of opinion is not hate, nor has it ever simply been used as such, nor is it necessarily dangerous when conducted in an intelligent manner. I agree with this 100%. Unfortunately, there are many out there that will label a "difference of opinion" as hate speech............ |
Shawn
6/5/07
8:53 AM | QUOTE(twinmom @ Jun 5 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]293957[/snapback] I thought it was a typo also, but this line caught my eye: Derived from the common mispelling of 'the'. (emphasis by me) This was one of the first words my kids learned to spell, I didn't realize there was a common mispelling.
I think it would be more appropriate to call it a common "typo" rather than a common "mispelling". When typing "the", I do it all the time. Thank goodness for auto spellcheck.
Later...Shawn
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kelula
6/5/07
8:56 AM | [quote name='Goldilocks' date='Jun 4 2007, 06:17 PM' post='293832']
There are thousands of people who were gay and no longer are.
Just a few.....
Kristen Johnson
Mabel Sim
Penny Dalton
Dottie Ludwig
Dawn Killion
David Fountain
Alan Chambers
Ricky Ballinger
Donnie McClurkin
Bob Davies
BTW....what are "teh" gays?
These people may no longer be "gay" as far as becoming involved with a person of the same sex. I don't believe you can just "erase" a person's sexual preference....only replace it with a more prevalent preference.
And who cares??? I am so sick of all the conservative religious and political pugnants that spend so much time scrutinizing gays and the gay lifestyle. There are more serious issues in society that we should spend our time quarreling about...like..for instance....Paris Hilton's jail sentence....NOW THAT'S NEWS.
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twinmom
6/5/07
8:57 AM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Jun 5 2007, 08:53 AM) [snapback]293961[/snapback]
I think it would be more appropriate to call it a common "typo" rather than a common "mispelling". When typing "the", I do it all the time. Thank goodness for auto spellcheck.
Later...Shawn
I thought of that as I was typing it too. I usually proof read what I've written to avoid such mistakes.
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UncommonSense
6/5/07
9:20 AM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Jun 5 2007, 08:35 AM) [snapback]293953[/snapback]
That is not hate speach by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how many times you try to say it. He is expressing an opinion that differs with yours. Did he say that Christians should be killed because of their beliefs, should go to hell and burn, should be physically attacked and spit upon...etc. Those are all examples of hate speach. A difference of opinion is not hate, nor has it ever simply been used as such, nor is it necessarily dangerous when conducted in an intelligent manner.
Later...Shawn
Is it hate for a Christian to relay information from their belief system to others? Is it wrong for a Christian to give the viewpoint that any behavior, be it abortion, adultery, homosexuality, idolatry, greed, lust....whatever is sinful and may subject a person to consequences? As a Christian, one is charged with spreading the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That said, it is not to be done in a condemning, threatening or demeaning way.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 12:47-48
I recently heard a very saliant sermon from an evangelical pastor. His point concerned two issues, homosexuality and abortion, and why we hear so much from some churches about them. His thought was simply this, they are the two issues which will typically affect the fewest members of any church body, and therefore they make the easiest targets.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Romans 14:10
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For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.
2 Corinthians 5:10
[color="#000000"]I don't see anything hateful here. Does anyone else concur?
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johnq
6/5/07
9:38 AM | Well, I'm sure glad this thread turned to Bible quotes like so many do on here. After all, we all know only Jesus can cure people of the scourge of GAY. |
Goldilocks
6/5/07
9:39 AM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Jun 5 2007, 07:35 AM) [snapback]293953[/snapback]
That is not hate speach by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how many times you try to say it. He is expressing an opinion that differs with yours. Did he say that Christians should be killed because of their beliefs, should go to hell and burn, should be physically attacked and spit upon...etc. Those are all examples of hate speach. A difference of opinion is not hate, nor has it ever simply been used as such, nor is it necessarily dangerous when conducted in an intelligent manner.
Later...Shawn
I agree with you Shawn and I wasn’t accusing Gil of hate speech. Only pointing out that if Gil were targeting any other group for denigration, it would be deemed as hate. Suppose Gil would have posted a blog, stating in a denigrating manner, that he is of the opinion that homosexuality is a perversion. Do you honestly think for one minute he wouldn’t be accused of hate speech?
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Shawn
6/5/07
10:12 AM | QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jun 5 2007, 09:39 AM) [snapback]293980[/snapback]
I agree with you Shawn and I wasn't accusing Gil of hate speech. Only pointing out that if Gil were targeting any other group for denigration, it would be deemed as hate. Suppose Gil would have posted a blog, stating in a denigrating manner, that he is of the opinion that homosexuality is a perversion. Do you honestly think for one minute he wouldn't be accused of hate speech?
It would certainly depend on the context of the blog taken in total. Depending on how he stated his belief, it could certainly be considered "hate speech", but I doubt it. Thats the problem. It is very difficult to define "hate speech", and as a result has not resulted in any laws limiting such speech. Nor has anyone been prosecuted specifically for "hate speech". It is a concept that, at this point in time, is thrown around without much purpose. I'm not really sure why you are so hung up on "hate speech". The concept itself is pretty simple, as is the definition:
QUOTE
Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.
I don't see how simply stating that that homosexuality is perverse fits that definition. It is an opinion that doesn't really accomplish anything, but not hate speech per the definition unless taken to another level.
Later...Shawn
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cyberscribbler
6/5/07
10:42 AM | QUOTE(johnq @ Jun 5 2007, 09:38 AM) [snapback]293979[/snapback] Well, I'm sure glad this thread turned to Bible quotes like so many do on here. After all, we all know only Jesus can cure people of the scourge of GAY.
It's teh gay!
I think the origin of the misspelling came from a Margaret Cho stand-up routine.
Went something like Margaret's mother questioning her about her friend sexuality.
In a thick Korean accents, she asks
Mom: "Isn't he teh gay?"
Margaret "THE GAY, isn't that putting a lot of pressure on one person!"
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Shawn
6/5/07
10:53 AM | QUOTE(UncommonSense @ Jun 5 2007, 09:20 AM) [snapback]293973[/snapback]
Is it hate for a Christian to relay information from their belief system to others? Is it wrong for a Christian to give the viewpoint that any behavior, be it abortion, adultery, homosexuality, idolatry, greed, lust....whatever is sinful and may subject a person to consequences? As a Christian, one is charged with spreading the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That said, it is not to be done in a condemning, threatening or demeaning way.
The key point to your post is in the last sentence..."condemning, threatening or demeaning way". I don't think anyone would construe such speech as hateful or threatening. However there are several things that need to be kept in mind. For one thing, the "others" you are conveying your belief system to have no obligation to listen or agree with you. In fact, the "others" very much have the right not to listen or agree with you. I think often time discussions such as these start out civil, but when the person on the receiving end doesn't care to listen, doesn't agree, offers differing opinions, or doesn't give the issue the importance the messenger feels it deserves, the discussion becomes much much less civil, generally, in my experience, from the side of the messenger. I've had many encounters with messengers who have become flat out angry with me because I expressed no interest whatsoever in discussing with them Jesus or being saved. I've often had the feeling that messengers think they are on a mission from god that affords them certain less than civil lattitudes and means with getting their message out there. That is where I believe the system breaks down and often becomes "hateful", usually as a result of the messenger getting frustrated.
Later...Shawn
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wonderwoman
6/5/07
12:11 PM | Shawn and others. There is no genetic PROOF of homosexuality. There is scientific proof of male-ness and female-ness. The phenotype of sexuality is sort of like that of....[for example]...height. There is more than one factor which determines how tall you ultimately become. Environmental factors impact the genetic tendencies. Nurturance, experience and learning play a part in the choice of homosexuality over heterosexuality in the phenotype of the individual.
Oh well, I am not up to this again. My yard work awaits.
EDIT: Okay, so I guess I am a Christian who is judging Gill Smart... but I still think he is a TROLL.
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Shawn
6/5/07
12:47 PM | QUOTE(wonderwoman @ Jun 5 2007, 12:11 PM) [snapback]294026[/snapback] Shawn and others. There is no genetic PROOF of homosexuality. There is scientific proof of male-ness and female-ness. The phenotype of sexuality is sort of like that of....[for example]...height. There is more than one factor which determines how tall you ultimately become. Environmental factors impact the genetic tendencies. Nurturance, experience and learning play a part in the choice of homosexuality over heterosexuality in the phenotype of the individual.
Oh well, I am not up to this again. My yard work awaits.
EDIT: Okay, so I guess I am a Christian who is judging Gill Smart... but I still think he is a TROLL.
I guess my point is that it doesn't really matter to me whether it is genetic or not. What difference would that make from your persepctive. My feeling is that whatever it is that causes members of the opposite sex to be attracted to each other is the same mechanism that draws two people of the same sex together. There are certainly grey areas, but the issue is that whatever two consenting adults choose to do together sexually, or how they want to define their relationship is entirely up to them. Trying to define abnormal/normal is a slippery slope, and is really something that we need to define for ourselves. Someone previously pointed out the red-heads and lefties are abnormal. Well, from their perspective they are certainly normal since it comes natural to them. To suggest that we should cure red-heads or lefties is ridiculous. However, if a red-head chooses to die his/her hair blonde that is entirely up to that person. Likewise, if a lefty wants to learn to play sports right handed, that is fine too. However, they shouldn't be forced to make those changes, nor should they be hunted down and discriminated against if they choose not to change.
Later...Shawn
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harv1
6/5/07
12:55 PM | Another commonly misspelled word is "misspell." Easy way to remember how to spell it correctly is that it is a combination of two syllables, "mis" meaning bad or wrong and "spell" meaning... well... meaning spell  |
ihavehorns
6/5/07
12:55 PM |  Here we go...another great debate about homosexuality. Now all the bible bangers will be coming out of the woodwork. They've been bored since there hasn't been a good abortion or evolution thread lately. |
harv1
6/5/07
12:57 PM | Hate speech, bad. Hate crimes... well, hell, they don't exist! |
Goldilocks
6/5/07
1:44 PM | Definition of the term “Bible Banger”.
"A disparaging offensive term for a Christian".
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UncommonSense
6/5/07
1:50 PM | QUOTE(johnq @ Jun 5 2007, 09:38 AM) [snapback]293979[/snapback] Well, I'm sure glad this thread turned to Bible quotes like so many do on here. After all, we all know only Jesus can cure people of the scourge of GAY.
Johnq
My point was that "damning" language from one person to another, wrapped in "preaching" gesticulations is not Christian. I was not putting forth biblical versus to argue, counter, convince....nothing at all. I would note that, best as I can recall, The Gospels do not record Christ as speaking directly to this topic at all. Most New Testament references to homosexuality are by the Apostle Paul in his letters to various churches of the time. I would think it apparent that people can be both Christian and truly compassionate, though they struggle daily with the application of their faith in daily life. The Earthly Christian who claims to be flawless, is neither.
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ihavehorns
6/5/07
1:51 PM | QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Jun 5 2007, 01:44 PM) [snapback]294065[/snapback]
Definition of the term “Bible Banger”.
"A disparaging offensive term for a Christian".
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twinmom
6/5/07
7:43 PM | QUOTE(harv1 @ Jun 5 2007, 12:55 PM) [snapback]294044[/snapback] Another commonly misspelled word is "misspell." Easy way to remember how to spell it correctly is that it is a combination of two syllables, "mis" meaning bad or wrong and "spell" meaning... well... meaning spell
Thanks Harv, btw it was misspelled in the definition too!
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caitlinndad
6/6/07
12:50 PM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Jun 5 2007, 11:47 AM) [snapback]294042[/snapback]
I guess my point is that it doesn't really matter to me whether it is genetic or not. What difference would that make from your persepctive. My feeling is that whatever it is that causes members of the opposite sex to be attracted to each other is the same mechanism that draws two people of the same sex together. There are certainly grey areas, but the issue is that whatever two consenting adults choose to do together sexually, or how they want to define their relationship is entirely up to them. Trying to define abnormal/normal is a slippery slope, and is really something that we need to define for ourselves. Someone previously pointed out the red-heads and lefties are abnormal. Well, from their perspective they are certainly normal since it comes natural to them. To suggest that we should cure red-heads or lefties is ridiculous. However, if a red-head chooses to die his/her hair blonde that is entirely up to that person. Likewise, if a lefty wants to learn to play sports right handed, that is fine too. However, they shouldn't be forced to make those changes, nor should they be hunted down and discriminated against if they choose not to change.
Later...Shawn
WTF ! do you have any idea what you are talking about ?
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Shawn
6/6/07
1:05 PM | QUOTE(caitlinndad @ Jun 6 2007, 12:50 PM) [snapback]294360[/snapback]
WTF ! do you have any idea what you are talking about ?
Nope....However, thanks to your exceedingly intelligent and well thought out response, I am now enlightened.
Wanna date?
Later...Shawn
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P. Floyd
6/6/07
2:11 PM | I think its grey area too, somewhere between genetic and choice. I was reading in dear abby the other day, and the writer said something like "my brother chose to be gay, should i still love him" and she went on and on about people don't choose to be gay. Which made me wonder, my friend who used to be married, and is now seeing people of the same sex, did they choose to be straight all those years? It would seem to be a two way street for some, maybe more clear cut for others. I don't know for sure myself, but like my mom always told me, it takes all types to make the world go 'round. |
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