Dissenting on “Christian terror”

May 23rd, 2007 8:01 pm · 7 comments

This one’s a different sort of call. You  might have seen the story of the Liberty University student, Mark David Uhl, who was arrested the day of Jerry Falwell’s funeral with several homemade bombs - “sort of like napalm,” said a sheriff, in five soda-sized cans. Authorities aren’t quite sure what Uhl planned to do with them, but the suspicion is he might have used them against a group of uninvited guests at the funeral - the Rev. Fred “God Hates Fags” Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church crowd.

And since the event occurred, some on the left side of the blogosphere have leapt on it with both feet, pointing out that here was a person who apparently planned to carry out what we could legitimately call a “terrorist” attack. And that the motivation for that attack seems to have been his religious faith.

Does that then make him a “Christian terrorist?”

Christians, no doubt, will recoil at the mere use of the term. We want to pretend that Christians couldn’t be terrorists, that only radical Islamists are motivated by their faith to violence. But that isn’t true, and in fact this country has seen several acts of what we might call faith-based terror. Eric Rudolph would certainly be a Christian terrorist, as would anyone else who has plotted or actually carried out an attack on abortion clinics.

But Uhl’s situation is different, in that his apparent target was also Christian. Indeed, you might say it was the Christian extremism of Phelps’ group itself that angered Uhl. A friend of his told USA Today that Uhl considered the Westboro Baptist protestors a ”sorry, disgraceful bunch of people,” but that he never would have harmed them. Bombs do, however, have a way of harming people.

So we might call Uhl a terrorist, or a potential terrorist - and it seems we should, if we’re going to be consistent about these things, if “terrorist” is going to be used to describe actions or potential actions rather than just someone’s nationality or religion. But a “Christian terrorist?” I just don’t know that this qualifies. Because I agree with Max Blumenthal, that “The Christian right has warped religious doctrine to advance a Utopian political worldview that promises to purify the land of liberal decadence.” But Phelps doesn’t exactly represent “liberal decadence” - quite the opposite, actually. Which might make Uhl’s intentions that of a left-wing Christian terrorist.

Or maybe just a disturbed young man who happened to be Christian.

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  7 comments  Tags: Religious conservatism · Religion · crime

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Goldilocks
5/23/07
8:43 PM
There is no such thing as a “Christian Terrorist” Gil. True Christians don’t bomb other people or their property. Nor do they picket fallen soldiers funerals with despicable signs saying “God Hates Fag”. And neither do they stand outside abortion clinics and yell at the confused women who might be entering. There are true Christians and there are terrorists, the two are not synonymous.

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" - Jesus


justplainjoe
5/23/07
9:08 PM
QUOTE(Goldilocks @ May 23 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]290994[/snapback]
There is no such thing as a "Christian Terrorist" Gil. True Christians don't bomb other people or their property. Nor do they picket fallen soldiers funerals with despicable signs saying "God Hates Fag". And neither do they stand outside abortion clinics and yell at the confused women who might be entering. There are true Christians and there are terrorists, the two are not synonymous.

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" - Jesus




goldi,

i wish there were more people like you in the world.

cyberia
5/23/07
9:31 PM
[quote name='Goldilocks' date='May 23 2007, 08:43 PM' post='290994'] There is no such thing as a "Christian Terrorist" Gil. True Christians don't bomb other people or their property. Nor do they picket fallen soldiers funerals with despicable signs saying "God Hates Fag". And neither do they stand outside abortion clinics and yell at the confused women who might be entering. There are true Christians and there are terrorists, the two are not synonymous.

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" - Jesus


If you don't appreciate Gil's perspective...and refer to him (along with Wonderwoman) using childish names--why is it that you're the first to look at his blog and comment? Curious.
Goldilocks
5/23/07
9:58 PM
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If you don't appreciate Gil's perspective...and refer to him (along with Wonderwoman) using childish names--why is it that you're the first to look at his blog and comment? Curious.


I am not sure what names you are referring to. However I did forget a comma in my original post, in case you are thinking I was calling Gil, a "Christian Terrorist".

I was addressing Gil and the first line should have looked like this....

There is no such thing as a "Christian Terrorist", Gil.

Why don't you go back and read my post more carefully.

One thing I refrain from doing here, is calling other posters names.

QUOTE(justplainjoe @ May 23 2007, 08:08 PM) [snapback]291002[/snapback]

goldi,

i wish there were more people like you in the world.



Thank you, Joe blush.gif

cyberia
5/23/07
10:02 PM
QUOTE(Goldilocks @ May 23 2007, 09:58 PM) [snapback]291018[/snapback]


I am not sure what names you are referring to. However I did forget a comma in my original post, in case you are thinking I was calling Gil, a "Christian Terrorist".

I was addressing Gil and the first line should have looked like this....

There is no such thing as a "Christian Terrorist", Gil.

Why don't you go back and read my post more carefully.

One thing I refrain from doing here, is calling other posters names.

I can read. I was referring to earlier posts regarding the famous "prom attire" hysteria. Period.


Thank you, Joe blush.gif

cyberia
5/23/07
10:50 PM
I can read. I was referring to earlier posts regarding the famous "prom attire" hysteria. Period.
StrobeSML
5/26/07
11:07 PM
There is a real problem with dismissing people like Phelps and Uhl as "not really Christian". The fact of the matter is that they identify themselves as Christian and, while their religious views may not match our own, waving our hands does not get rid of that Christian label.



I compare it to the Islamic extremists who are using terroristic attacks today. Their view is not the same of the general believers of Islam. (That's why they are called "extremists".) However, we tend to lump them in as the viewpoint of all Muslims. Shouldn't they be able to be dismissed as "not really Muslim"?



The fact of the matter is that the people in question are as much "Christian extremists" as the Islamic militants are extremists. The way in which they act label them as terrorists. Therefore, the term "Christian terrorist" is perfectly apt as a description.



The biggest problem is tying religion into it at all. Most of the terroristic acts are done for political reasons rather than religious reasons. They are trying to make a political point. They are simply "terrorists". While they may put many of their terms in religious views, Their goal is not a truly religious one. Those Islamic terrorists are not trying to kill Americans because Allah said so (though, they may believe that they would be given a place in paradise because they fight such an evil enemy in their view). These Christian terrorists are doing their acts in protest to other acts. (I put this in plural because I am reminded of the acts of some pro-lifers against abortion clinics in the 80s. While the terms of terrorism weren't as highly used at the time, the acts were comparable to terroristic acts.)



The issue comes to a head when politics gets mixed in with religion. The late Rev. Falwell is a good example of this, having mixed a hard-right conservative view with the wrappings of religion. Bin Laden does the same when he decries these terroristic attacks as a religious jihad. This is extremely disturbing to me. God is not a political pawn and should not be used as one. Nor should God be used as a way of gathering money. (After all, Jesus forced the merchants and money changers out of the temple because it turned God's house into a circus. Others, like Pat Robertson, should have been chased out long ago but instead followers have allowed them to bring in three rings and elephants.)



When you start mixing political views and religious views, things get messy very quickly. It brings in a certain amount of hubris (in which you presume that your views are equivalent to God's views).

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