Specter, the fence mender

February 15th, 2009 6:02 pm · 37 comments

Watch politics long enough, and you start to pick up certain behavior patterns. For example, when former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum lost his bitter fight for a third term against Bob Casey Jr. in 2006, the Republican decided instead of changing his issue stances to accommodate the moods of voters - which had turned against the uber conservative - he would go out on his terms. Santorum saw the polls. They didn’t look good. And so he railed, he shouted, he beat the drum about terrorism abroad and Islamo-fascism. Remember when he ran the mushroom cloud ad with Casey’s picture next to the president of Iran’s?

Scary stuff. The electorate wasn’t buying it, though, and Santorum fell on that sword as Casey steamrolled to victory.

G. Terry Madonna, friend to the Nest and the director of Franklin & Marshall College’s Center for Politics & Public Affairs, told me during that fall:

“It’s almost like (Santorum is) saying ‘I may lose, but if I do, I’m going down drawing attention to an issue that transcends our time,’ ” Madonna said.

Well, fastforward to 2009 and another Republican U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania appears to be headed down a similar path:

 U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter (Associated Press)

Sen. Specter ignored the outrage of fiscal conservatives in his state, whose support he may need for re-election in 2010, by supporting compromise economic stimulus legislation with a price tag of about $780 billion. Youza! That’s a big bag of money, too big for any House Republican and most GOP Senators, but Specter showed off his usual maverickness by breaking ranks and supporting it.

The difference between Santorum and Specter, though, is that Specter isn’t beyond mending fences with those he might have ticked off, according to the Patriot-News:

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., phoned home Thursday to unhappy members of the Pennsylvania State Republican Committee.

The conference call was initiated by Specter, his office said. It was a “conversation” to explain his thinking for backing the spending plan that Democrats hope will deliver jobs for the tanking U.S. economy.

It may not be enough. As I’ve noted before, the Republican Party in Pennsylvania has grown more conservative in the last couple of years … and can be unforgiving. And in a sign of things to come, the state GOP’s chairman, Bob Gleason, put out the following statement:

“I would like to applaud Pennsylvania’s Republican Congressmen for standing up against the bloated government and uncontrolled spending policies contained within in this spending bill. Our Republican Congressmen continue to do what’s best for our country and our Commonwealth and I commend them for making decisions that are deeply rooted in our Republican principles of lower taxes and fiscal responsibility.

{snip}

“As Chairman of the Republican Party of Pennsylvania, I extend my sincerest thanks and appreciation to Pennsylvania’s Republican Congressmen, Joe Pitts, Todd Platts, Bill Shuster, Jim Gerlach, Tim Murphy, Charlie Dent and Glenn Thompson, for standing up for our Party’s principles.”

No call for applause to honor Specter’s bipartisanship. Nothing about Specter whatsoever. There’s a cold wind coming from state GOP headquarters directed at Specter’s office in Washington, and Specter could use a few Republican friends these days, one year from his bid for another 6-year term.

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  37 comments  Tags: Pennsylvania Politics · Stimulus Package · Arlen Specter · Bob Casey Jr. · Republicans · Rick Santorum

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Kate
2/15/09
5:22 PM
I'm hearing disgust and disappointment in the local GOP. This stimulus package is not a golden egg but will hatch some ugly repercussions for those who supported it.
StrobeSML
2/15/09
7:06 PM
QUOTE (Kate @ Feb 15 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm hearing disgust and disappointment in the local GOP. This stimulus package is not a golden egg but will hatch some ugly repercussions for those who supported it.


There is still a bit of time before primaries come up. The question boils down to whether the stimulus package will have any positive effect. If the economic situation shows a bit of improvement, then Specter might come out of it okay. If not, I expect problems for the Republicans.

Any primary challenge would pit Specter against a hardline conservative. If Specter beats that challenge, the Republicans are likely to hold on to the Senate seat. However, is Specter is beaten in the primary, the current political climate suggests that a Democrat is more likely to win it.

My view is that Specter was one of only three Congressional Republicans that did his job, work to make the bill a better one instead of playing partisan games.

CUBSFAN3150
2/15/09
7:18 PM
QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 15 2009, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is still a bit of time before primaries come up. The question boils down to whether the stimulus package will have any positive effect. If the economic situation shows a bit of improvement, then Specter might come out of it okay. If not, I expect problems for the Republicans.

Any primary challenge would pit Specter against a hardline conservative. If Specter beats that challenge, the Republicans are likely to hold on to the Senate seat. However, is Specter is beaten in the primary, the current political climate suggests that a Democrat is more likely to win it.

My view is that Specter was one of only three Congressional Republicans that did his job, work to make the bill a better one instead of playing partisan games.

Although I do not agree with the fact that Specter voted yes on the bill I do have to respect him for voting his conscience, being as the Dems did not need his or the other two Republicans Votes to pass the bill. Specter believed even though the bill was not perfect, it was the best they could come up with. If it works. Which I don't think it will. He will be able to say I told you so. On the other hand i think his political career is finished. But voters have a short memory and at his age and with the health problems he has. I doubt he will run again.
Artie See
2/15/09
8:17 PM
QUOTE (Kate @ Feb 15 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm hearing disgust and disappointment in the local GOP. This stimulus package is not a golden egg but will hatch some ugly repercussions for those who supported it.

The current stimulus package is no worse that the previous administration's tax cuts, combined with its own stimulus package. At least the current package includes some degree of accountability, unlike the first $350 billion or so which appears to have vanished without leaving a trace.
Hawkeye
2/15/09
9:09 PM
Only the very earliest stages of the the current economic depression in the US manifest themselves in the lines of the unemployed and the closure of recently viable businesses. The effects of the collapse of highly leveraged economy in Japan have lasted for more than half a generation. A similar collapse of the credit market in Sweden about fifteen years ago has not yet been completely overcome even now. Those who denigrate the need for a massive government program to counteract the effects of the current depression caused by the collapse of the normal credit markets and the virtual failure of many of the world's largest and most reliable banks, deserve only ridicule for the ideology which buttresses their position or sympathy for their stupidity. Whatever the reason for his support of the economic rescue measures passed by the US Congress, Senator Specter deserves the thanks of all who appreciate the depth and enormous extent of the current US and world economic crisis. Until the distant day when the current crisis surrenders to thoughtful and determined action by those so treasure America's role as leader of the world's economy, let us hope that pragmatism continues to overrule ideology.
Nativeson
2/15/09
11:05 PM
QUOTE (Hawkeye @ Feb 15 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those who denigrate the need for a massive government program to counteract the effects of the current depression caused by the collapse of the normal credit markets and the virtual failure of many of the world's largest and most reliable banks, deserve only ridicule for the ideology which buttresses their position or sympathy for their stupidity. Whatever the reason for his support of the economic rescue measures passed by the US Congress, Senator Specter deserves the thanks of all who appreciate the depth and enormous extent of the current US and world economic crisis.

Some of us have been warning that the effects of affirmative action would be negative and indeed when those policies were put in place at the mortgage table by liberal Democrats and moderate Republicans a crisis ensued. Home prices rose rapidly which drew speculators and that fueled even higher home prices which eventually had people living on the edge financially, waiting for an incident to provide the spark. That along with unprecidented green regulation, which is simply taxation under another name.
The markets were poised to single out and punish the foolish decisions made by well intentioned politicians and the businesses who bent to the pressure of government and community groups like Americorps, ACORN and the Rainbow Push Coalitian. The markets were also going to single out those who yielded to the temptation to get in over their heads financially (your grandparents warned you) and apply corrective measures.
By all accounts we are within about five or six percentage points of where the housing market should be sans the interference by do-gooders in high places so the markets may well be stabilizing.
Unless... Unless moderates and liberals again with the best of intentions have managed to shield fools in suits from the lashes that would move them in the right direction by using the American taxpayer as a human shields. And we don't change course.
If we don't learn from California and adapt we as a nation too will teeter on the brink of bankruptcy. We would be better served by observing what California does and do the exact opposite in most areas of public policy. Spector hasn't shown wisdom (other than political acumen) in years and it was humorous to hear that a local Republican candidate defended Spector by pointing out that eighteen years ago he went to bat for Justice Thomas at the banana republic hearings in the US Senate. There's a sure sign that you've been in office too long.
skeptic2
2/15/09
11:56 PM
QUOTE (Kate @ Feb 15 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm hearing disgust and disappointment in the local GOP. This stimulus package is not a golden egg but will hatch some ugly repercussions for those who supported it.


If Specter were vulnerable, Dems would be lining up to run against him. Contrast the absence of a declared candidate to run against him with several Dems preparing to run for governor.
StrobeSML
2/16/09
7:35 AM
QUOTE (CUBSFAN3150 @ Feb 15 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Although I do not agree with the fact that Specter voted yes on the bill I do have to respect him for voting his conscience, being as the Dems did not need his or the other two Republicans Votes to pass the bill. Specter believed even though the bill was not perfect, it was the best they could come up with. If it works. Which I don't think it will. He will be able to say I told you so. On the other hand i think his political career is finished. But voters have a short memory and at his age and with the health problems he has. I doubt he will run again.

First, the Democrats did need the three Republican votes to pass the bill. It was a cloture vote which requires 60 to pass. The Democrats only had 57. (Ted Kennedy's health problems prevented his attendence and Al Franken hasn't been seated yet.) Without the three Republican votes, it would not have passed.

There is every reason to think that the bill will have a positive effect. The question is "How positive?" There is a lot of variance in that first year's unemployment change and improvement of GDP. That might reflect how quickly some of these items take effect after the bill is passed. If it takes too long to move on the projects, unemployment won't decrease as much. That means that short term, we may see continued increasing unemployment until those shovel ready jobs are ready for shovelling. Will that change by primary time? I don't know.

Second, he is planning to run again.
StrobeSML
2/16/09
7:40 AM
QUOTE (skeptic2 @ Feb 15 2009, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Specter were vulnerable, Dems would be lining up to run against him. Contrast the absence of a declared candidate to run against him with several Dems preparing to run for governor.

It's still early for the Senate race. After all, we just finished with one. Primaries will come up next year with opponents to run for the race. Specter is likely to face competition in the primary with a hard-line conservative. After all, the big issue is Specter being a moderate so they won't send another moderate against him. If he loses that race, the conservative is likely to lose the race against the Democrat (barring some scandal on either side). However, Specter stands a strong chance against any moderate being an incumbent with moderate leanings. That will be a strong point in the general election.
bigstew
2/16/09
4:20 PM
QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 15 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My view is that Specter was one of only three Congressional Republicans that did his job, work to make the bill a better one instead of playing partisan games.

Then your view is partisan(how hypocritical of you, huh)
bigstew
2/16/09
4:29 PM
QUOTE (Hawkeye @ Feb 15 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those who denigrate the need for a massive government program to counteract the effects of the current depression caused by the collapse of the normal credit markets and the virtual failure of many of the world's largest and most reliable banks, deserve only ridicule for the ideology which buttresses their position or sympathy for their stupidity.


The ridicule is yours. Japan tried similar policies in the 90's, none have worked. Sweden is still crawling, and not one of their government interventions changed a thing.

QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 16 2009, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is every reason to think that the bill will have a positive effect.

Only in your very narrow mind.
dragonrider
2/16/09
4:35 PM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 16 2009, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The ridicule is yours. Japan tried similar policies in the 90's, none have worked. Sweden is still crawling, and not one of their government interventions changed a thing.


Only in your very narrow mind.
Actually that would be in the narrow mind of a majority of economists.
bigstew
2/16/09
4:36 PM
QUOTE (dragonrider @ Feb 16 2009, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually that would be in the narrow mind of a majority of economists.



Economists from where? With what credentials?
dragonrider
2/16/09
4:47 PM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 16 2009, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Economists from where? With what credentials?

How about the latest recipient of the Nobel Prize for economics.
How about the CEO of Goggle who has come out for the stimulus.
Just too examples.
Freedom
2/16/09
6:19 PM
QUOTE (Lancaster Online @ Feb 15 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Post your thoughts and comments about this blog post.



Spinchter is a Judas..He sold out our children and grandchildren...all his years of service won't be enough to save him now...if he had any self respect, he'd do what Judas did...

..and the beat goes on...
StrobeSML
2/16/09
6:24 PM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 16 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then your view is partisan(how hypocritical of you, huh)


My view is partisan for praising how he could work across the aisle? I think you might want to check the definition again.
StrobeSML
2/16/09
6:29 PM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 16 2009, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Economists from where? With what credentials?

The economists from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office which has been quoted here before. Based on their figures, it will have a positive impact. However, there is question on how much of an impact there will be, particularly in the first year.
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9987/Gr...ar_Stimulus.pdf

QUOTE
Taking all of the short- and long-run effects into account, CBO estimates that the legislation implies an increase in GDP relative to the agency’s baseline forecast of between 1.4 percent and 3.8 percent by the fourth quarter of 2009, between 1.1 percent and 3.3 percent by the fourth quarter of 2010, between 0.4 percent and 1.3 percent by the fourth quarter of 2011, and declining amounts in later years (see Table 1). Beyond 2014, the legislation is estimated to reduce GDP by between zero and 0.2 percent. This long-run effect is slightly smaller than CBO estimated in its preliminary analysis of the Senate stimulus legislation last week due to refinements in our methodology.

Correspondingly, the legislation would increase employment by 0.8 million to 2.3 million by the fourth quarter of 2009, by 1.2 million to 3.6 million by the fourth quarter of 2010, by 0.6 million to 1.9 million by the fourth quarter of 2011, and by declining numbers in later years. The effect on employment is never estimated to be negative, despite lower GDP in later years, because CBO expects that the U.S. labor market will be at nearly full employment in the long run. The reduction in GDP is therefore estimated to be reflected in lower wages rather than lower employment, as workers will be less productive because the capital stock is smaller.
wrsny337
2/16/09
7:02 PM
QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 16 2009, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The economists from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office which has been quoted here before. Based on their figures, it will have a positive impact. However, there is question on how much of an impact there will be, particularly in the first year.


CNN's conservative contributors are already posturing themselves (and the party) by predicting the stimulus plan's initial success. Just saw it tonight.
wrsny337
2/16/09
7:10 PM
QUOTE (Freedom @ Feb 16 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spinchter is a Judas..He sold out our children and grandchildren...all his years of service won't be enough to save him now...if he had any self respect, he'd do what Judas did...


No.
Specter has a spine.
He voted conscience, not convenience.
Unlike the lock-step GOP who gave Bush the keys to the bank.
bigstew
2/16/09
8:36 PM
QUOTE (dragonrider @ Feb 16 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about the latest recipient of the Nobel Prize for economics.
How about the CEO of Goggle who has come out for the stimulus.
Just too examples.



How is that a majority?

QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 16 2009, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My view is partisan for praising how he could work across the aisle? I think you might want to check the definition again.

Your view is partisan for only seeing the three repubs that you agree with as the only ones doing their job. Now that, my dear stroby, is partisan through and through.
bigstew
2/16/09
8:41 PM
QUOTE (wrsny337 @ Feb 16 2009, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
CNN's conservative contributors are already posturing themselves (and the party) by predicting the stimulus plan's initial success. Just saw it tonight.



There probably will be initial success, as the amount of money flowing will seem like a dam bursting. The cost of that initial success will be catastrophic, I believe. Inflation that will come from the running of the cash presses will evaporate the worth of people's assets. Especially retirement and personal savings.

It doesn't help if one step forward cost you two steps back.
StrobeSML
2/16/09
8:42 PM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 16 2009, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your view is partisan for only seeing the three repubs that you agree with as the only ones doing their job. Now that, my dear stroby, is partisan through and through.

Not at all. First, I don't agree with the stances of all three Republicans. I respected how they could put some of it aside to work to change the bill so it was more favorable to both parties. I did not, however, approve of all of the changes that they made. I especially didn't care for the cuts in school renovation and rebuilding which were shovel-ready jobs.

They came to the table and decided to work with the Democrats instead of just voting against it. That's not partisan and I respect that. The others played the party line and, if the coatroom incident with Specter is accurate, done only as a party play and not as a case of truly voting their conscience. That type of politicing is something I dislike.
bigstew
2/16/09
8:57 PM
QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 16 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not at all. First, I don't agree with the stances of all three Republicans. I respected how they could put some of it aside to work to change the bill so it was more favorable to both parties. I did not, however, approve of all of the changes that they made. I especially didn't care for the cuts in school renovation and rebuilding which were shovel-ready jobs.

They came to the table and decided to work with the Democrats instead of just voting against it. That's not partisan and I respect that. The others played the party line and, if the coatroom incident with Specter is accurate, done only as a party play and not as a case of truly voting their conscience. That type of politicing is something I dislike.


Were the dems in the house who voted against the bill doing their job?
Artie See
2/16/09
9:40 PM
I hope that Arlen Specter is defeated in the primary by an ultra-conservative.

It would practically guarantee Pennsylvania will have two Democratic U.S. senators.

That would also help give the U.S. Senate a filibuster-proof Democratic majority.

Besides, Mr. Specter is elderly, and in poor health. He deserves a break.
Nativeson
2/16/09
9:51 PM
QUOTE (Artie See @ Feb 16 2009, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope that Arlen Specter is defeated in the primary by an ultra-conservative.

It would practically guarantee Pennsylvania will have two Democratic U.S. senators.

That would also help give the U.S. Senate a filibuster-proof Democratic majority.

Besides, Mr. Specter is elderly, and in poor health. He deserves a break.
Whether you ever will come out and publicly express it or not you have to be a bit disappointed in the lack of transparency from your party in light of what was promised on the campaign trail, yes?
wrsny337
2/16/09
10:10 PM
QUOTE (Nativeson @ Feb 16 2009, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whether you ever will come out and publicly express it or not you have to be a bit disappointed in the lack of transparency from your party in light of what was promised on the campaign trail, yes?

Disappointed in Geithner: His nomination and confirmation (Obama shouldn't have given him a pass) and his explanation of the Bank Bailout particulars. After his speech, I could only say, "Huh?"

Transparency: The press certainly thinks it's lacking. Not sure that's an accurate guage. I think the reality of politics requires some degree of not-so-transparent activities.
StrobeSML
2/17/09
6:52 AM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 16 2009, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Were the dems in the house who voted against the bill doing their job?

They were definitely voting their conscience instead of the party line.

It would be one thing if there are were a few objecters on both sides. However, there are rumors that the Republicans in the House passed the word to vote No even before meeting with Obama.

How is that helpful to anyone?
StrobeSML
2/17/09
7:00 AM
QUOTE (Artie See @ Feb 16 2009, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope that Arlen Specter is defeated in the primary by an ultra-conservative.

It would practically guarantee Pennsylvania will have two Democratic U.S. senators.

That would also help give the U.S. Senate a filibuster-proof Democratic majority.

Besides, Mr. Specter is elderly, and in poor health. He deserves a break.

I don't hope that he is defeated. I'd like to continue to have him in the Senate. He's been good for the state. Admittedly, I'm a moderate and would like to see a stronger moderate role in Congress. There is too much focus these days on party politics and I'd like to see that change so that there is working together on both sides of the aisle. I don't want to hear about a Republican bill or a Democrat bill. I want to hear about a bill that addresses the problem in the best way possible. While that may mean more input from one side or the other, I think that both sides have a lot to contribute.

I think, up until the next Senate race, we are going to see that the moderates will be key to what gets passed and what fails. If they are convinced on an issue, they'll vote for it. That means that Specter, Snowe and Collins have the real power in the Senate.
Artie See
2/17/09
7:25 AM
QUOTE (Nativeson @ Feb 16 2009, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whether you ever will come out and publicly express it or not you have to be a bit disappointed in the lack of transparency from your party in light of what was promised on the campaign trail, yes?

As I have said here repeatedly in the past, I am quite a bit disappointed in the lack of transparency from EITHER major political party, both on the national and local level.

To me, the ultimate broken campaign promise was when in 1980 GW Bush promised on more than one occasion to bring "unity" to the people of the United States after the issues raised over his predecessor. Instead, GW Bush left us with a country more divided than it has been in four decades, something that is right now impossible to ignore.
Robotspyder
2/17/09
7:34 AM
QUOTE (Kate @ Feb 15 2009, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm hearing disgust and disappointment in the local GOP. This stimulus package is not a golden egg but will hatch some ugly repercussions for those who supported it.


Specter is a turncoat and cannot be trusted. dry.gif
Nativeson
2/17/09
7:56 AM
QUOTE (Artie See @ Feb 17 2009, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I have said here repeatedly in the past, I am quite a bit disappointed in the lack of transparency from EITHER major political party, both on the national and local level.

Fair enough. You've certainly been consistant and non-partisan in calling for transparency in local government and I think we move toward unity when we embrace principle over party or personality.
bigstew
2/17/09
10:58 PM
QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 17 2009, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They were definitely voting their conscience instead of the party line.

It would be one thing if there are were a few objecters on both sides. However, there are rumors that the Republicans in the House passed the word to vote No even before meeting with Obama.

How is that helpful to anyone?


Hmmmm......

Dems voting conscience, repubs voting the same way are partisan.

You must be spiking your koolaid.
StrobeSML
2/18/09
6:37 AM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 17 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmmm......

Dems voting conscience, repubs voting the same way are partisan.

You must be spiking your koolaid.

If reports of word being passed around before even meeting Obama to vote "No" on the stimulus is true, it certainly was partisan.
bigstew
2/18/09
4:08 PM
I have heard plenty of that type of innuendo, but nothing to support it. Just admit it strobey, you have been uncovered for what you are. A koolaid drinker who believes only those he agrees with are doing their job, and those who don't agree are voting their conscience if they have a little "d".
wrsny337
2/18/09
9:07 PM
QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 17 2009, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They were definitely voting their conscience instead of the party line.

It would be one thing if there are were a few objecters on both sides. However, there are rumors that the Republicans in the House passed the word to vote No even before meeting with Obama.

How is that helpful to anyone?

They (the Blue Dogs) were indeed voting their conscience and serving their traditional role of trying to construct a bridge between ideological extremes (Left and Right). Unfortunately, the Dems received the compromise memo and the Repubs (except a few) received the partisan one.
http://www.house.gov/melancon/BlueDogs/
StrobeSML
2/19/09
7:40 PM
QUOTE (bigstew @ Feb 18 2009, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have heard plenty of that type of innuendo, but nothing to support it. Just admit it strobey, you have been uncovered for what you are. A koolaid drinker who believes only those he agrees with are doing their job, and those who don't agree are voting their conscience if they have a little "d".

Then why are so many Republicans who voted against the bill are praising the money coming into their districts. Why was Specter praised by a fellow Republican Senator who said he would have voted for it if it didn't mean a primary battle? Don't tell me that these are the examples of "voting your conscience". Surely there were some Republican represenatives (perhaps only a few) who felt the stimulus wasn't the best plan around but was still better than nothing and would have supported it if it weren't for party pressure.

I expected a few Blue Dog Democrats to object. They have also suggested changes and plans. You will note that not all of the Blue Dogs objected, just a few. Some accepted the compromises, others did not and voted no.

In the case of the Republicans, the objections were heard, some changes were made based on the objections and yet absolutely none voted for it. That tells me the issue is partisan politics.
bigstew
2/19/09
8:40 PM
QUOTE (StrobeSML @ Feb 19 2009, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then why are so many Republicans who voted against the bill are praising the money coming into their districts.


Because money is a politicians weakness, and they are still only politicians. Just don't try to reason with everyone that your favorite side is valiant, hardworking, and marching toward the best interest of every man, woman, and child. While the other side serves the dark lord himself.

It makes you look like even a bigger tool.
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