Obama as messiah
August 3rd, 2008 11:02 pm · 71 comments
John McCain’s latest stab at Barack Obama as messiah:
This is not only an attack on Obama’s image as the saving grace for America, but McCain’s also after the evangelical Christian vote. Remember, recently Obama met with Christian leaders and has declared his intention to rally the Christian vote to his side. McCain needs these voters since the fiscal right is already wary of voting for the Arizona senator (and perhaps fearful of America’s first Muslim president, if all those idiotic e-mail forwards are true … they’re not, but some people think they are).
How does McCain grab those votes? Make Obama out to be a false prophet, a false messiah, someone made by these advertisements to be assuming the Christ role, and in this light, make Obama out to be crazy, presumptuous and sinful. It’s not like Obama’s pastor can come to his defense right now.
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There are currently 71 comments on this blog postView Topic | Comment on this blogKate 8/4/08 7:31 AM | Obama's words are obvious to what he personally believes. Using Charleton Heston was a little over the top but does get the message across. "We are the ones we've been waiting for". "the world will be healed". What is he referring to?
C'mon Dave - Obama dug that hole on his own and was recorded in the process. I have not seen that commercial locally so perhaps the McCain campaign decided not to air it.
Let's all sing Happy Birthday to Barack Obama. He turns 47 years old today.
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justplainjoe 8/4/08 8:12 AM | we have been waiting for someone to deliver us from the monstrosity of the past 8 years. the question is who can do the job better, the guy who wants to continue down the path to ruin or someone who wants to change course?
mccain is dishonest. he said he would not wage a dirty campaign and would only discuss issues.
thus far we have been subjected to ads meant for idiots.
let's talk about issues instead of distracting the voters.
apparently mccain thinks the voters are idiots and cannot intelligently choose based on issues.
divide and conquer yet again.we deserve better.
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GroovyKJ 8/4/08 8:15 AM | I agree with you JustPlainJoe...
If McCain gets into office - watch out for 4 more years of hell.
Shame on anyone who votes for him.
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Lysol54 8/4/08 8:18 AM | QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 4 2008, 07:31 AM) [snapback]419313[/snapback] Obama's words are obvious to what he personally believes. Using Charleton Heston was a little over the top but does get the message across. "We are the ones we've been waiting for". "the world will be healed". What is he referring to? C'mon Dave - Obama dug that hole on his own and was recorded in the process. I have not seen that commercial locally so perhaps the McCain campaign decided not to air it. Let's all sing Happy Birthday to Barack Obama. He turns 47 years old today.
Funny how you take everything Obama says as Gospel Kate, but when Mccain mispeaks, etc you some how come up with a excuse for it every time. Yeah nothing like taking a speech about global warming and using it to talk about religion. We get it your a party hack. But honestly you have to be smarter than your letting on.
Like i've said many times before, its ok when Repubs do it, but when its the other side you guys get all upset. You all talk of Reagan the same way people talk of Obama. So just be careful here with what your party is doing, because its going to come back and haunt you in the future. I'm sorry your party couldn't have picked someone better than Mccain. But if this is the only thing you guys can think of to go after him abou, you guys are in worse shape than i thought. Rather than talking issues, its just personal attacks. And quite honestly, i'm sure the Democrats are working on some for Mccain right now, and with all his scandals and cheating on his wife, etc, its going to get real ugly. But hey you guys started it. Just don't start whining when it starts happening to him.  |
podunk 8/4/08 8:18 AM | QUOTE let's talk about issues instead of distracting the voters.
apparently mccain thinks the voters are idiots and cannot intelligently choose based on issues. Issues? That is funny. Empty promises they can't keep.
Actually it is the public who says they don't want a dirty campaign. Yet when the ads are run, polls change. McCain ran the ads. The polls change. It is politics pure and simple and the simple America public falls for it every single time. If McCain gains more ground, the gloves will come off and Obama will follow with the same. Guaranteed.
QUOTE Shame on anyone who votes for him. God forbid anyone who has a different opinion then you. 
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davepidgeon 8/4/08 8:23 AM | QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 4 2008, 07:31 AM) [snapback]419313[/snapback] Obama's words are obvious to what he personally believes. Using Charleton Heston was a little over the top but does get the message across. "We are the ones we've been waiting for". "the world will be healed". What is he referring to? C'mon Dave - Obama dug that hole on his own and was recorded in the process. I have not seen that commercial locally so perhaps the McCain campaign decided not to air it. Let's all sing Happy Birthday to Barack Obama. He turns 47 years old today. 
Ummm ... I've never known a presidential candidate who didn't believe his or her platform could save the nation from its troubles. I mean, Bush once said he felt God appointed him, so ...
More than 4,000 soldiers dead for a war of choice on false pretenses, a faltering economy, middle class buying power down $1,000 per family in the last 8 years, wages stagnant, a housing crisis, inflation ... Gee, I can't understand why some in this country would look toward a leader who's confident he can help guide this nation out of this mess.
The real problem with McCain's attack ads are the ad hominem nature of the argument. He can't swipe at Obama for Obama's policies - BTW, saying he would tax electricity is kinda funny because McCain's referring to the cap-and-trade system Obama's advocating for, the same cap-and-trade system McCain supports - so he goes after Obama's character. Is that the best way to elect a president, because his character attacks are funny and entertaining? |
Lysol54 8/4/08 8:27 AM | QUOTE(podunk @ Aug 4 2008, 08:18 AM) [snapback]419335[/snapback] Issues? That is funny. Empty promises they can't keep. Actually it is the public who says they don't want a dirty campaign. Yet when the ads are run, polls change. McCain ran the ads. The polls change. It is politics pure and simple and the simple America public falls for it every single time. If McCain gains more ground, the gloves will come off and Obama will follow with the same. Guaranteed. God forbid anyone who has a different opinion then you.
Oh so only Republicans keep their promises? Plus Joe made no mention about promises?
So the polls are changing that much? Really haven't seen that? Care to back up that statement there podunk, you have a habit of rattling off "facts" but not really backing them up.
QUOTE(davepidgeon @ Aug 4 2008, 08:23 AM) [snapback]419337[/snapback]
Ummm ... I've never known a presidential candidate who didn't believe his or her platform could save the nation from its troubles. I mean, Bush once said he felt God appointed him, so ... More than 4,000 soldiers dead for a war of choice on false pretenses, a faltering economy, middle class buying power down $1,000 per family in the last 8 years, wages stagnant, a housing crisis, inflation ... Gee, I can't understand why some in this country would look toward a leader who's confident he can help guide this nation out of this mess.
And once again, its ok for the Repubs to do it. Bush can say he speaks directly to God, and that he felt he was appointed by God to lead, and thats fine. Now the only thing Repubs can do is to take speeches out of context to try to infer the same thing.
Funny you have some one running who wants to bring change, and you have ads attacking him for it. Like the status quo right now, is really good for this country? So when Reagan was running to change all the things Carter messed up, we should have not voted for him, becasue change is bad. We should have just kept going down the same path? Yeah that makes sense.
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WinstonTheLastHuman 8/4/08 8:34 AM |
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 4 2008, 08:12 AM) [snapback]419329[/snapback] mccain is dishonest. It's relative, isn't it? I mean, as long as he is faithful to his benefactors' expectations, he is being honest to those that 'matter.' Politicos 'lying' to the public is hardly different than parents telling their children about Santa Clause. As above, so below.
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 4 2008, 08:12 AM) [snapback]419329[/snapback]
apparently mccain thinks the voters are idiots and cannot intelligently choose based on issues.
Hasn't history proven this true?
QUOTE(podunk @ Aug 4 2008, 08:18 AM) [snapback]419335[/snapback]
God forbid anyone who has a different opinion then you.
Like in the policy found at the Hotel California, you certainly can check out of Shame House, but you can never leave.
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mam0412 8/4/08 8:38 AM | QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 4 2008, 07:31 AM) [snapback]419313[/snapback] Obama's words are obvious to what he personally believes. Using Charleton Heston was a little over the top but does get the message across. "We are the ones we've been waiting for". "the world will be healed". What is he referring to? C'mon Dave - Obama dug that hole on his own and was recorded in the process. I have not seen that commercial locally so perhaps the McCain campaign decided not to air it. Let's all sing Happy Birthday to Barack Obama. He turns 47 years old today.
The ad is only on the internet. It's too over the top to show on TV. I don't believe for a minute that you don't know "we are the ones we've been waiting for" means us (the American people) - it is meant to inspire all of us into action.
Happy Birthday Obama!!
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Kate 8/4/08 9:09 AM | QUOTE(davepidgeon @ Aug 4 2008, 08:23 AM) [snapback]419337[/snapback] More than 4,000 soldiers dead for a war of choice on false pretenses, a faltering economy, middle class buying power down $1,000 per family in the last 8 years, wages stagnant, a housing crisis, inflation ... Gee, I can't understand why some in this country would look toward a leader who's confident he can help guide this nation out of this mess.
The real problem with McCain's attack ads are the ad hominem nature of the argument. He can't swipe at Obama for Obama's policies - BTW, saying he would tax electricity is kinda funny because McCain's referring to the cap-and-trade system Obama's advocating for, the same cap-and-trade system McCain supports - so he goes after Obama's character. Is that the best way to elect a president, because his character attacks are funny and entertaining? Dave - I never wanted the Iraq war and I am also very concerned about the economy. However, Bush was not alone in creating this mess. Congress should shoulder some of the blame. Bush has tried to stimulate the economy with tax rebates, he's making an effort.
Obama's sudden rise to popularity is somewhat scary. He's only been a Senator for less than four years - two of those years spent campaigning for president. Most of our past presidents have been governor's of a state, gaining experience in economic and legislative processes. While McCain is a Senator he's also been in Congress and has years of experience. While some may believe Obama's newness is fresh and hopeful for change I'm concerned that he's too new and very unseasoned.
You spent time on the campaign trail with Obama and were impressed by him. that is understandable.
Do you really believe he can bring about a change in our nation's economy and worldwide cohesiveness with the US?
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podunk 8/4/08 9:10 AM | http://www.newsweek.com/id/150578
QUOTE In the cynical view of the wise guys who run campaigns, the candidates are softhearted amateurs who can't be trusted not to wander from the disciplined message of the day, or who become all mushy and weak-kneed when it's time to attack the opponent.
QUOTE Sixteen percent of the white workers polled expressed either no opinion about the presidential race or indicated they would support no one, someone else or just plain not vote.
QUOTE Still, one in six of the white workers polled remains uncommitted to either candidate. And a majority of those polled, both white and minority, are ambivalent about the impact of the election, saying that no matter who wins, their personal finances are unlikely to change. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26003168/
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Mary Poppins 8/4/08 9:17 AM | QUOTE(GroovyKJ @ Aug 4 2008, 08:15 AM) [snapback]419332[/snapback] I agree with you JustPlainJoe...
If McCain gets into office - watch out for 4 more years of hell.
Shame on anyone who votes for him.
My goodness! Where have you been living!
Life for most hard working people has been good in these United States for the past many years! Thank God for our strong military (Clinton had down-sized)!
Count your blessings and watch what you wish for! Hitler led his people into CHANGE, and so did Castro and look at where it got them! Know history for it repeats itself!
WATCH WHAT WE WISH FOR!
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mam0412 8/4/08 9:23 AM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 09:17 AM) [snapback]419357[/snapback]
My goodness! Where have you been living!
Life for most hard working people has been good in these United States for the past many years! Thank God for our strong military (Clinton had down-sized)!
Count your blessings and watch what you wish for! Hitler led his people into CHANGE, and so did Castro and look at where it got them! Know history for it repeats itself!
WATCH WHAT WE WISH FOR!
Can you show how Obama would be like Hitler or Castro? What has he done or said to give you that opinion. Oh, that's right, you probably read it on some Republican blog. Must buy into the fear factor.
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podunk 8/4/08 9:24 AM | http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/...=rss-topstories
QUOTE It's not that the candidates don't want to talk about the economy or the federal budget. In recent weeks, they've been doing a lot of that. But they speak in words that don't really mean much.
QUOTE Neither candidate has laid out an actual plan, with specific numbers, to bring America's fiscal house into order.
QUOTE According to the Tax Policy Center, neither Obama nor McCain has laid out plans to close the budget deficit over the next 10 years under current spending regimes.
QUOTE both McCain and Obama would run deficits — 1.8% and 1.3% of GDP, respectively — without significant cuts in federal spending or surprising growth in the economy.
QUOTE Where will the candidates cut spending to prevent the deficit from exploding? On this point, both candidates are relying, as usual, on sound bites rather than actual policies
QUOTE And so we return to where we began, a war of words with few numbers to back them up. The candidates speak in platitudes and broad swipes. They claim the high road, while banishing their opponents to the low road |
Lysol54 8/4/08 9:34 AM | QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 4 2008, 09:09 AM) [snapback]419353[/snapback] Dave - I never wanted the Iraq war and I am also very concerned about the economy. However, Bush was not alone in creating this mess. Congress should shoulder some of the blame. Bush has tried to stimulate the economy with tax rebates, he's making an effort.
It was a Republican President, and Republican Congress that led this country for 6 years. Thats fine if you want to blame Congress too, but it was a Republican Congress. Its only had the Democratic majority for alittle over a year and a half. Remember the US is like a aircraft carrier, it can't turn on a dime. You can't undo 6 years of problems in a year and a half.
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Lysol54 8/4/08 10:08 AM | QUOTE(podunk @ Aug 4 2008, 09:56 AM) [snapback]419375[/snapback] Hmmmm..... who has controlled Congress more in the past 50 years? http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernmen..._division_2.htmGuess the Republicans needed more time..... HaHaHa
So your saying over the last 50 years things haven't been good? And most was under a Democratic Congress's watch. So when we have an extended period of Repub Rule, things go south. Thats very telling. |
Mary Poppins 8/4/08 10:11 AM | QUOTE(mam0412 @ Aug 4 2008, 09:23 AM) [snapback]419361[/snapback]
Can you show how Obama would be like Hitler or Castro? What has he done or said to give you that opinion. Oh, that's right, you probably read it on some Republican blog. Must buy into the fear factor.
My intent was not fear, but also not ignorance....we must be careful not to be "swept off our feet" by promises of change....just saying....look where it took the people of Germany and Cuba!
what is Obama's history?
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podunk 8/4/08 10:18 AM | So your saying over the last 8 years things haven't been good? |
AngelFace 8/4/08 10:24 AM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 10:11 AM) [snapback]419387[/snapback] My intent was not fear, but also not ignorance....we must be careful not to be "swept off our feet" by promises of change....just saying....look where it took the people of Germany and Cuba!
what is Obama's history?
And that is the whole point. WHAT history?
Obama could be The Manchurian Candidate, or he could turn out to be {cue the heavenly choirs!} The Greatest President In the History of the Universe, or he may be Millard Fillmore.
But how would we know? All we hear is rhetoric. And the finely-honed rhetoric is WRITTEN for him by his speech writers. When he is on the teleprompter, he is smooth as silk, but listen to his interviews, his debate performances, or his Q&As and he is um, er, ah, eh, and a lot of painful pauses while he hedges his answers.
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justplainjoe 8/4/08 10:27 AM | QUOTE(WinstonTheLastHuman @ Aug 4 2008, 08:34 AM) [snapback]419341[/snapback]
Hasn't history proven this true?
yes but i didn't want to come out and say so.
didn't someone once say " you will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the american public"?
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Shawn 8/4/08 10:28 AM | QUOTE(AngelFace @ Aug 4 2008, 10:24 AM) [snapback]419400[/snapback]
And that is the whole point. WHAT history?
Obama could be The Manchurian Candidate, or he could turn out to be {cue the heavenly choirs!} The Greatest President In the History of the Universe, or he may be Millard Fillmore.
But how would we know? All we hear is rhetoric. And the finely-honed rhetoric is WRITTEN for him by his speech writers. When he is on the teleprompter, he is smooth as silk, but listen to his interviews, his debate performances, or his Q&As and he is um, er, ah, eh, and a lot of painful pauses while he hedges his answers.
Exactly what kind of history do you require for a president? Just read the book he wrote. That contains plenty of Obama History.
Later...Shawn
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Lysol54 8/4/08 10:30 AM | QUOTE(podunk @ Aug 4 2008, 10:18 AM) [snapback]419396[/snapback] So your saying over the last 8 years things haven't been good?
And your implying that they have been? Are we better off now than we were 8 years ago?? I guess that is the real question. |
justplainjoe 8/4/08 10:32 AM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 09:17 AM) [snapback]419357[/snapback]
My goodness! Where have you been living!
Life for most hard working people has been good in these United States for the past many years! Thank God for our strong military (Clinton had down-sized)!
you have got to be kidding.
how nice to be so oblivious to the suffering of most americans.
by your denial you don't have to feel guilty.
very convenient.
let's hope mccain runs on that theme.
"hey everyone , that suffering is all in your imagination. justy ask any rich republican."LOL
yeah baby...that's the theme.LOL
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podunk 8/4/08 10:33 AM | As with everything else in life there was good and bad. Looking at economic figures there was much good until a year and a half ago. Hmmm........ oh right, it takes time..... funny how that argument was not used when Bush took office.... |
johnq 8/4/08 10:36 AM | QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Aug 4 2008, 10:30 AM) [snapback]419409[/snapback]
And your implying that they have been? Are we better off now than we were 8 years ago?? I guess that is the real question. I am. And I'll be better off four years from now regardless of who wins.  |
WinstonTheLastHuman 8/4/08 10:38 AM | QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 4 2008, 10:27 AM) [snapback]419405[/snapback] yes but i didn't want to come out and say so.
Since when have you pulled punches? lol |
Lysol54 8/4/08 10:40 AM | QUOTE(podunk @ Aug 4 2008, 10:33 AM) [snapback]419415[/snapback] As with everything else in life there was good and bad. Looking at economic figures there was much good until a year and a half ago. Hmmm........ oh right, it takes time..... funny how that argument was not used when Bush took office....
Lol yeah and it wasn't used when Clinton won either. You Repubs kept it up with your bumper stickers "Don't blame me I voted for Bush" etc. So once again its ok when your party does it.
QUOTE(johnq @ Aug 4 2008, 10:36 AM) [snapback]419418[/snapback] I am.  And I'll be better off four years from now regardless of who wins.
And thats all that really matters, as long as Johnq is good, then no body else really matters right?? I guess that makes sense, the more things go south, the more people tend to drink and your right there to help them out.
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mam0412 8/4/08 10:50 AM | QUOTE(AngelFace @ Aug 4 2008, 10:24 AM) [snapback]419400[/snapback]
And that is the whole point. WHAT history?
Obama could be The Manchurian Candidate, or he could turn out to be {cue the heavenly choirs!} The Greatest President In the History of the Universe, or he may be Millard Fillmore.
But how would we know? All we hear is rhetoric. And the finely-honed rhetoric is WRITTEN for him by his speech writers. When he is on the teleprompter, he is smooth as silk, but listen to his interviews, his debate performances, or his Q&As and he is um, er, ah, eh, and a lot of painful pauses while he hedges his answers.
Let's see if we can find a pattern here. Republicans have compared Obama to Osama bin Laden, Hitler, Castro, Moses, the Manchurian Candidate, Millard Fillmore, Brittany Spears, and Paris Hilton. Did I miss any? Nope, not really seeing a pattern other than a common thread of grasping at straws.
As Shawn pointed out, you can read Obama's books if you'd like to know more about him. You can also read his website. Are all these comparisons only because Republicans can't read? I don't think so, but it does point to the fear factor.
Unfortunately, the system is designed such that no one knows what kind of President any candidate would make until they are in office. What did we know about Bush before he was elected? Did any of what we knew point to how bad a President he is?
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Mary Poppins 8/4/08 11:00 AM | QUOTE(johnq @ Aug 4 2008, 10:36 AM) [snapback]419418[/snapback] I am.  And I'll be better off four years from now regardless of who wins.
EXACTLY! It's all about personal choices and how ones deals with one's life. The government (currently) is NOT in control of my life or my families, as much as some try to take control.
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 4 2008, 10:32 AM) [snapback]419410[/snapback]
you have got to be kidding.
how nice to be so oblivious to the suffering of most americans.
by your denial you don't have to feel guilty.
very convenient.
let's hope mccain runs on that theme.
"hey everyone , that suffering is all in your imagination. justy ask any rich republican."LOL
yeah baby...that's the theme.LOL
What suffering? Give me a break! Where else in the world could one live with this many freedoms and personal choices? People have been spoiled. I feel sad for your attitude! You have obviously fallen for the media's attempt to let people think things are bad! Again, I ask, what suffering?
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dragonrider 8/4/08 11:02 AM | You want a scary thought, we elected an oil man president and the price of gas went from 2 to 4 dollars a gallon. Now republicans want to elect a beer president, whats gonna happen to the price of beer. Huh have you thought about that ?!?!? |
justplainjoe 8/4/08 11:18 AM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 11:00 AM) [snapback]419438[/snapback]
What suffering? Give me a break! Where else in the world could one live with this many freedoms and personal choices? People have been spoiled. I feel sad for your attitude! You have obviously fallen for the media's attempt to let people think things are bad! Again, I ask, what suffering?
what suffering?
how provincial for a lanc countian who is one of the haves to ignore the plight of the masses based on myopia. and you call the have nots spoiled.
good lord folks, we have a bubbleboy right here.LOL
how dare they want the american dream.nice campaign theme for the ugly republican.LOL
uhh how about foreclosures, inflation, job losses, high price of gas,high price of home heating oil inability to pay bills, inability to afford healthcare, not much credit available,etc etc
people have been spoiled?
are you related to mussilini by any chance?LOL
or phil gramm?
where else can people live free like here?
uhhh canada, europe, australia, new zealand.....
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Kate 8/4/08 11:55 AM | Received this in an email:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when "leaners" are included, it's McCain 47% and Obama 46%.
This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3.
A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters. Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds. McCain is currently viewed favorably by 55% of the nation's voters, Obama by 51%. That is the lowest rating for Obama since he wrapped up the nomination. Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of Democrats, 22% of Republicans, and 47% of unaffiliated voters. For McCain, the numbers are 87% favorable among Republicans, 26% among Democrats, and 61% among unaffiliated voters.
Sixty percent (60%) of voters now see Obama as politically liberal while 65% see McCain as politically conservative. Among liberals, 71% see Obama as one of them, but just 18% of liberals see Obama as Very Liberal. Among conservatives, 71% say McCain is also a conservative, including 38% who say he is Very Conservative. Thirty-five percent (35%) of politically moderate voters say that McCain is politically moderate and 33% say the same of Obama. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats see McCain as conservative while 69% of Republicans see Obama as liberal.
Forty-six percent (46%) of voters trust McCain more than Obama on energy issues while Obama is trusted more by 42%. Two months ago, Obama had a four point edge on the energy issue.
Forty-six percent (46%) of voters nationwide now say that Obama views U.S. society as unfair and discriminatory. That's up from 43% in July and 39% in June. By a three-to-one margin, American voters hold the opposite view and believe that our society is generally fair and decent.
Other key stats of Election 2008 are updated daily at Obama-McCain: By the Numbers. Polling data released earlier today showed that 46% say Affirmative Action programs are no longer necessary, but 32% believe they should continue.
The number of Americans who consider themselves to be Democrats fell two percentage points in July. Obama's party still enjoys a big advantage over the GOP, but the gap between the parties is the smallest it has been since January.
Sixty-nine percent (69%) of voters have seen or heard news coverage of McCain's ad including Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. Just 22% believe the ad was racist. But, most say Obama's comment about not looking like other Presidents on the dollar bill was racist.
Like all polling firms, Rasmussen Reports weights its data to reflect the population at large. Among other targets, Rasmussen Reports weights data by political party affiliation using a dynamic weighting process. Our baseline targets are established based upon survey interviews with a sample of adults nationwide completed during the preceding three months (a total of 45,000 interviews). For the month of August, the targets are 40.6% Democrat, 31.6% Republican, and 27.8% unaffiliated. For July, the targets were 41.4% Democrat, 31.5% Republican, and 27.1% unaffiliated (see party trends and analysis).
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grieker 8/4/08 12:37 PM | QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 4 2008, 08:12 AM) [snapback]419329[/snapback] we have been waiting for someone to deliver us from the monstrosity of the past 8 years. the question is who can do the job better, the guy who wants to continue down the path to ruin or someone who wants to change course?
mccain is dishonest. he said he would not wage a dirty campaign and would only discuss issues.
thus far we have been subjected to ads meant for idiots.
let's talk about issues instead of distracting the voters.
apparently mccain thinks the voters are idiots and cannot intelligently choose based on issues.
divide and conquer yet again.we deserve better.
McCain didn't wage negative adds, he is responding to negative adds.
I wouldn't expect him to praise Obama. So in your book if you call it as you see it and it's not flattering it's a negative attack?
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mam0412 8/4/08 1:23 PM | QUOTE(grieker @ Aug 4 2008, 12:37 PM) [snapback]419520[/snapback]
McCain didn't wage negative adds, he is responding to negative adds.
Thanks for the laugh, Greiker!
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grieker 8/4/08 1:30 PM | QUOTE(mam0412 @ Aug 4 2008, 01:23 PM) [snapback]419573[/snapback]
Thanks for the laugh, Greiker!
I thought we all could lighten up a bit. Whatever the end result; we're in this together.
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AngelFace 8/4/08 1:33 PM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Aug 4 2008, 10:28 AM) [snapback]419406[/snapback] Exactly what kind of history do you require for a president? Just read the book he wrote. That contains plenty of Obama History.
Later...Shawn
History of accomplishment. History of experience in leading anything. History of governmental experience. I get the whole anti-Washington stuff, the POTUS is NOT an entry level position. It doesn't come with training wheels. And WE THE PEOPLE should not be guinea pigs that the newbie gets to play around with. |
dragonrider 8/4/08 1:56 PM | Are you better off than you were 8 years ago then sure you should vote for McBush. But if you are tired of war , declining middle class wages, endless government deficits, politicization of the executive branch, then maybe you should vote for Obama. Me I don't want continuing war in Iraq and possible war in Iran(bomb bomb Iran), I don't want continuing support of the money moving class at the exspence of the labor working class, I don't want more politically appointed judiciary attorneys who will only bring charges against one political party, But hey thats me and I don't want beer to go up to in twice the cost it is presently becuase we elect a beer president. We don't need more of the same with McBush riding around in a golf cart with PaPa Bush. |
Mary Poppins 8/4/08 2:11 PM | QUOTE(mam0412 @ Aug 4 2008, 10:50 AM) [snapback]419430[/snapback]
Let's see if we can find a pattern here. Republicans have compared Obama to Osama bin Laden, Hitler, Castro, Moses, the Manchurian Candidate, Millard Fillmore, Brittany Spears, and Paris Hilton. Did I miss any? Nope, not really seeing a pattern other than a common thread of grasping at straws.
As Shawn pointed out, you can read Obama's books if you'd like to know more about him. You can also read his website. Are all these comparisons only because Republicans can't read? I don't think so, but it does point to the fear factor.
Unfortunately, the system is designed such that no one knows what kind of President any candidate would make until they are in office. What did we know about Bush before he was elected? Did any of what we knew point to how bad a President he is?
We will have to agree to disagree (another great thing about our country). Bush is NOT a bad president. I did NOT compare Obama to those people you mentioned. I just warned that we need to be careful and watch what we wish for!
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Shawn 8/4/08 2:12 PM | QUOTE(AngelFace @ Aug 4 2008, 01:33 PM) [snapback]419590[/snapback] History of accomplishment. History of experience in leading anything. History of governmental experience. I get the whole anti-Washington stuff, the POTUS is NOT an entry level position. It doesn't come with training wheels. And WE THE PEOPLE should not be guinea pigs that the newbie gets to play around with.
For Obama to be where he is, at his age, from where he came from is quite a history of Accomplishement. Again, read the book. Nor is the POTUS necessarily a natural progression from a position in Congress. The two positions are unrelated. POTUS is more of a CEO type position. The fact that people like you feel "government experience" is a neccessity is exactly why we keep getting progressively worse from election to election. Which of his proposed policies do you feel are just "playing around with us"?
Later...Shawn
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justplainjoe 8/4/08 2:48 PM | QUOTE(grieker @ Aug 4 2008, 12:37 PM) [snapback]419520[/snapback]
McCain didn't wage negative adds, he is responding to negative adds.
I wouldn't expect him to praise Obama. So in your book if you call it as you see it and it's not flattering it's a negative attack?
in my book blaming obama for high oil prices qualifies as a negative attack as does comparing him to paris hilton and britanny spears.
the implication with spears is that she is some drug addled nut, which given mccains wife's drug problems, is more than cynical.
i expected mccain to go dirty, even tho he promised he would not. after all to run on a platform of "four more years" would be insane.
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Mary Poppins 8/4/08 2:52 PM | QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 4 2008, 11:18 AM) [snapback]419457[/snapback]
what suffering?
how provincial for a lanc countian who is one of the haves to ignore the plight of the masses based on myopia. and you call the have nots spoiled.
good lord folks, we have a bubbleboy right here.LOL
how dare they want the american dream.nice campaign theme for the ugly republican.LOL
uhh how about foreclosures, inflation, job losses, high price of gas,high price of home heating oil inability to pay bills, inability to afford healthcare, not much credit available,etc etc
people have been spoiled?
are you related to mussilini by any chance?LOL
or phil gramm?
where else can people live free like here?
uhhh canada, europe, australia, new zealand.....
you don't know me - I am not one of the "haves"....we just work hard and save our money instead of spending on all the latest gadgets and needless subscriptions...call me old-fashioned, but we live within our means..we don't use credit cards like a bank and we don't spend more than we have...PEOPLE MAKE THEIR CHOICES and then like to blame others when they can't handle the hand they are dealt...sorry....I just call it like I see it.
It's easy to play the blame game...afterall our "leaders" do it everyday and get away with it!
Even now people EXPECT government to bail them out of the mortgages THEY CHOSE and now cannot afford. What will be next, will they expect government to pay their utilitiy bills because they let their TV sets on all day, or their car loans because they had to have all the bells and whistles?
FREEDOM = CHOICES AND RESPONSIBILITY
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ReverendAlobar 8/4/08 3:32 PM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 02:52 PM) [snapback]419644[/snapback]
Even now people EXPECT government to bail them out of the mortgages THEY CHOSE and now cannot afford. What will be next, will they expect government to pay their utilitiy bills because they let their TV sets on all day, or their car loans because they had to have all the bells and whistles?
FREEDOM = CHOICES AND RESPONSIBILITY
Unscrupulous mortgage lenders were FREE to CHOOSE to inform unqualified applicants with poor credit that they could indeed afford their mortgage. How's that for RESPONSIBILITY? Many of these unfortunate people are undereducated, and perhaps unable to see past the carrot dangled before them. They were repeatedly told, "now is the time to buy, gain equity and stop throwing away your money on rent."
There was a time when this simply would not have happened, because mortgage lenders behaved responsibly. I'm not advocating a government bail out. But corporations are people, too. And they should be held accountable for their choices, just like individuals.
And let's be honest, did these people who chose to take out these loans know that the cost of utilities (and gas and food, etc.) was going to inflate so much, so quickly? Absolutely not. Many of them are dealing as best they can with the hand they were dealt. They sure as hell did not expect the ante to double. Nor did they know the house was playing with a stacked deck.
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Mary Poppins 8/4/08 3:40 PM | QUOTE(ReverendAlobar @ Aug 4 2008, 03:32 PM) [snapback]419681[/snapback]
Unscrupulous mortgage lenders were FREE to CHOOSE to inform unqualified applicants with poor credit that they could indeed afford their mortgage. How's that for RESPONSIBILITY? Many of these unfortunate people are undereducated, and perhaps unable to see past the carrot dangled before them. They were repeatedly told, "now is the time to buy, gain equity and stop throwing away your money on rent."
There was a time when this simply would not have happened, because mortgage lenders behaved responsibly. I'm not advocating a government bail out. But corporations are people, too. And they should be held accountable for their choices, just like individuals.
And let's be honest, did these people who chose to take out these loans know that the cost of utilities (and gas and food, etc.) was going to inflate so much, so quickly? Absolutely not. Many of them are dealing as best they can with the hand they were dealt. They sure as hell did not expect the ante to double. Nor did they know the house was playing with a stacked deck.
this may be so for a very few, but many of us saw this coming when all of these huge developments were going about 5 years ago...we said WHO can affored these huge houses and furnish them and afford the utilities? Many of us predicted this situation with housing years ago....it's ashame too many people were "gullable". Our society is leaning that way, though...the bigger the better....I'll just let it at that! 
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ReverendAlobar 8/4/08 4:01 PM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 03:40 PM) [snapback]419687[/snapback] this may be so for a very few, but many of us saw this coming when all of these huge developments were going about 5 years ago...we said WHO can affored these huge houses and furnish them and afford the utilities? Many of us predicted this situation with housing years ago....it's ashame too many people were "gullable". Our society is leaning that way, though...the bigger the better....I'll just let it at that!
You got one thing right... the BIGGER (the amount of subprime mortgages that are handed out), the BETTER (the corporate bonuses for the CEOs who could care less about the people they manipulated).
You say you just call it like you see it. Try taking off the blinders. Minorities have been greatly affected by this crisis, and disproportionately to whites. These are not the people living in the huge houses you mentioned.
"this may be so for a very few..." What makes you so sure? Your gut? Again, try taking off the blinders. There's a whole world out there, and not much of it operates like old fashioned Lancaster County.
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grieker 8/4/08 4:03 PM | QUOTE(dragonrider @ Aug 4 2008, 01:56 PM) [snapback]419606[/snapback] Are you better off than you were 8 years ago then sure you should vote for McBush. But if you are tired of war , declining middle class wages, endless government deficits, politicization of the executive branch, then maybe you should vote for Obama. Me I don't want continuing war in Iraq and possible war in Iran(bomb bomb Iran), I don't want continuing support of the money moving class at the exspence of the labor working class, I don't want more politically appointed judiciary attorneys who will only bring charges against one political party, But hey thats me and I don't want beer to go up to in twice the cost it is presently becuase we elect a beer president. We don't need more of the same with McBush riding around in a golf cart with PaPa Bush.
What is YOUR definition of middle class?
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AngelFace 8/4/08 4:06 PM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Aug 4 2008, 02:12 PM) [snapback]419613[/snapback] For Obama to be where he is, at his age, from where he came from is quite a history of Accomplishement. Again, read the book. Nor is the POTUS necessarily a natural progression from a position in Congress. The two positions are unrelated. POTUS is more of a CEO type position. The fact that people like you feel "government experience" is a neccessity is exactly why we keep getting progressively worse from election to election. Which of his proposed policies do you feel are just "playing around with us"?
Later...Shawn
Handing out thousand dollar bills instead of fixing the underlying problem, for starters. It is called buying votes. |
Lysol54 8/4/08 4:07 PM | QUOTE(grieker @ Aug 4 2008, 04:03 PM) [snapback]419702[/snapback]
What is YOUR definition of middle class?
And i guess the next question would be is what is Your definition of middle class?
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justplainjoe 8/4/08 4:16 PM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 02:52 PM) [snapback]419644[/snapback]
Even now people EXPECT government to bail them out of the mortgages THEY CHOSE and now cannot afford. What will be next, will they expect government to pay their utilitiy bills because they let their TV sets on all day, or their car loans because they had to have all the bells and whistles?
FREEDOM = CHOICES AND RESPONSIBILITY
but we bailed out bears sterns and a few banks didn't we? yeah you worked hard and saved, good for you, but what about your fellow countrymen and women who worked just as hard but didn't have good paying jobs and so did without as well but were unable to put any money aside?
should we cast them out or let them die off?
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Mary Poppins 8/4/08 4:54 PM | QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 4 2008, 04:16 PM) [snapback]419712[/snapback]
but we bailed out bears sterns and a few banks didn't we? yeah you worked hard and saved, good for you, but what about your fellow countrymen and women who worked just as hard but didn't have good paying jobs and so did without as well but were unable to put any money aside?
should we cast them out or let them die off?
our country is not run to give handouts to people....I am sorry, but I don't feel sorry for people who are not willing to give up cigarettes, tattoes, MP3 players, cell phones, newer cars, going to the movies every week, and buying brand name items, then still think the GOVERNMENT should bail them out...
I do understand that many corporate big wigs have ruined many lives because of their greed, I am not heartless. My point is that the media wants everyone to believe that our country is in hard times....we are a spoiled country that expects big brother to always bail us out.
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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reese 8/4/08 5:06 PM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 04:54 PM) [snapback]419725[/snapback]
our country is not run to give handouts to people....I am sorry, but I don't feel sorry for people who are not willing to give up cigarettes, tattoes, MP3 players, cell phones, newer cars, going to the movies every week, and buying brand name items, then still think the GOVERNMENT should bail them out...
I do understand that many corporate big wigs have ruined many lives because of their greed, I am not heartless. My point is that the media wants everyone to believe that our country is in hard times....we are a spoiled country that expects big brother to always bail us out.
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
There are a lot of people who are struggling who are not smoking cigarettes, getting tats, buying MP3 players, etc. So many of us are just a job loss or catastrophic accident/illness away from becoming one of "them." You never know what life is going to deal you, even when you plan for emergencies. I'd rather lend a helping hand to these folks than the latest corporate fat cats run amok.
I hate to disagree, Poppins, but you sure come across as heartless.
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podunk 8/4/08 5:37 PM | QUOTE So the polls are changing that much? Really haven't seen that? Care to back up that statement there podunk, you have a habit of rattling off "facts" but not really backing them up. Pidgeon picked up on it: http://blogs.lancasteronline.com/birdseyev...gutter-strategy
"In the course of the McCain offensive, Obama’s lead in a Gallup Poll tracking survey slid from nine percentage points on July 26, when he returned from overseas, to nothing by Saturday, when the poll showed the candidates tied at 44 percent."
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dragonrider 8/4/08 6:53 PM | QUOTE(grieker @ Aug 4 2008, 04:03 PM) [snapback]419702[/snapback]
What is YOUR definition of middle class?
somewhere in the middle
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Aug 4 2008, 04:06 PM) [snapback]419706[/snapback]
Handing out thousand dollar bills instead of fixing the underlying problem, for starters. It is called buying votes. You mean like Bush did? |
reese 8/4/08 8:07 PM | That should come with a "spew alert"! |
Shawn 8/4/08 8:31 PM | QUOTE(AngelFace @ Aug 4 2008, 04:06 PM) [snapback]419706[/snapback]
Handing out thousand dollar bills instead of fixing the underlying problem, for starters. It is called buying votes.
I'll agree with that one. That is one I'm hoping is all hype and doesn't come to fruition. We already mistakenly did it once, hopefully not again.
Later...Shawn
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Mary Poppins 8/4/08 9:07 PM | QUOTE(reese @ Aug 4 2008, 05:06 PM) [snapback]419730[/snapback]
There are a lot of people who are struggling who are not smoking cigarettes, getting tats, buying MP3 players, etc. So many of us are just a job loss or catastrophic accident/illness away from becoming one of "them." You never know what life is going to deal you, even when you plan for emergencies. I'd rather lend a helping hand to these folks than the latest corporate fat cats run amok.
I hate to disagree, Poppins, but you sure come across as heartless.
I am completely empathetic to folks going through honest tough times. I work with some and it has also affected my own family. I am also fully aware that no one is immune to emergencies and great loss! However, It is not BIG GOVERNMENT'S job to give the handouts or for people to EXPECT it from government on a long-term basis.
Our government's system of short term help is so abused and misused, it doesn't even always help those that need it most. It has also become a chess piece in the game of policitians. So many people have also learned to play the government hand out game (I see it at my job).
Our country was founded on hard work and perseverence....that's all I sayin'.
Don't forget the past...
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Shawn 8/4/08 9:47 PM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 09:07 PM) [snapback]419808[/snapback] I am completely empathetic to folks going through honest tough times. I work with some and it has also affected my own family. I am also fully aware that no one is immune to emergencies and great loss! However, It is not BIG GOVERNMENT'S job to give the handouts or for people to EXPECT it from government on a long-term basis.
Our government's system of short term help is so abused and misused, it doesn't even always help those that need it most. It has also become a chess piece in the game of policitians. So many people have also learned to play the government hand out game (I see it at my job).
Our country was founded on hard work and perseverence....that's all I sayin'.
Don't forget the past...
Its the governments job to ensure an even playing field. To ensure that business is not taking advantage of citizens. To make sure our infrastructure is up to code. To make sure the dollar doesn't loose value. It has nothing to do with "hand outs". That is a different issue entirely. The current economic problems are a result of unregulated corporations running amok, a failing infrastructure and a weak dollar as a result of huge deficits. There is plenty of hard work and perseverence to go around. That isn't an issue.
Later...Shawn
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reese 8/4/08 10:02 PM | QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Aug 4 2008, 09:07 PM) [snapback]419808[/snapback]
I am completely empathetic to folks going through honest tough times. I work with some and it has also affected my own family. I am also fully aware that no one is immune to emergencies and great loss! However, It is not BIG GOVERNMENT'S job to give the handouts or for people to EXPECT it from government on a long-term basis.
Our government's system of short term help is so abused and misused, it doesn't even always help those that need it most. It has also become a chess piece in the game of policitians. So many people have also learned to play the government hand out game (I see it at my job).
Our country was founded on hard work and perseverence....that's all I sayin'.
Don't forget the past...
What in particular about the past am I not to forget? You're leaving things pretty wide open there.
I'm not talking about handouts. But I have a huge problem with corporate welfare at the expense of the average citizen who is struggling. You've seen abuses happen in your job? I've seen people suffer and make hard choices in mine, too.
It's fine to talk about hard work and perseverance. Tell that to the person who's maxed out his lifetime cap on his health insurance because he has cancer, so now he essentially has no insurance. Or tell that to the single mother who was laid off because her job was outsourced--oh yeah, she can't get insurance either, because COBRA is more than what she can afford on unemployment.
There has to be a middle ground. We don't have a safety net for a lot of people out there, and it scares me. I'm concerned for my parents, and I wonder what things will be like when I reach retirement age.
I've been in the position of being in an accident and having lost my job due to exhausting FLMA. It took a long time before I was able to go back to work. The medical bills--I'm still paying them. It altered my life permanently. There was very little help out there for me; I got some unemployment, and that was it (d/t a clerical error, my disability insurance had never been processed, no i had no covg.). I'm not lying when I say it took me about 4 years to get myself back together. It will take much longer to repair my finances. I don't want someone else to go through what I went through. Not ever.
I know you're not heartless, MP. You just don't know what you don't know, until it's you. I hope you never have to know first hand.
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bigstew 8/5/08 5:51 PM | QUOTE Its the governments job to ensure an even playing field. I missed that one in the constitution. |
dragonrider 8/6/08 2:42 AM | QUOTE(bigstew @ Aug 5 2008, 05:51 PM) [snapback]420284[/snapback] I missed that one in the constitution. Sure thats why the Packers were forced to take back Farve. Need to keep a level playing field.
Hey can Georgie forge me a letter or two reference, I hear he is real good at forging documents and all.
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Shawn 8/6/08 9:00 AM | QUOTE(bigstew @ Aug 5 2008, 05:51 PM) [snapback]420284[/snapback] I missed that one in the constitution.
Read harder.
Later...Shawn
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grieker 8/6/08 9:05 AM | QUOTE(dragonrider @ Aug 6 2008, 02:42 AM) [snapback]420421[/snapback] Sure thats why the Packers were forced to take back Farve. Need to keep a level playing field.
Hey can Georgie forge me a letter or two reference, I hear he is real good at forging documents and all.
Farve will never throw a ball as a quaterback for the Packers ever again.
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Kate 8/6/08 12:03 PM | http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-gener...a.Overexposure/
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama may be the fresh face in this year's presidential election, but nearly half say they're already tired of hearing about him, a poll says.
With Election Day still three months away, 48 percent said they're hearing too much about the Democratic candidate, according to a poll released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. Just 26 percent said the same about his Republican rival, John McCain.
Obama, the 47-year-old Illinois senator who would become the first black president, has dominated political news coverage much of the year. According to an ongoing Pew study, Obama has appeared in more news stories this year and more people say they have heard more about him than McCain, the longtime Arizona senator who also ran for president in 2000.
Two-thirds of Republicans and about half of independents said they've heard too much about Obama, as did a third of Democrats, a significant number.
At the same time, nearly four in 10 said they've been hearing too little about McCain — about four times the number who said so about Obama. About half of Republicans, four in 10 independents and even a quarter of Democrats said they've not heard enough about the GOP candidate.
The poll was conducted from Aug. 1-4 and involved telephone interviews with 1,004 adults. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
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On the Web:
Pew Research Center: http://people-press.org
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dragonrider 8/6/08 12:08 PM | QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 6 2008, 12:03 PM) [snapback]420590[/snapback] http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-gener...a.Overexposure/WASHINGTON — Barack Obama may be the fresh face in this year's presidential election, but nearly half say they're already tired of hearing about him, a poll says. With Election Day still three months away, 48 percent said they're hearing too much about the Democratic candidate, according to a poll released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. Just 26 percent said the same about his Republican rival, John McCain. Obama, the 47-year-old Illinois senator who would become the first black president, has dominated political news coverage much of the year. According to an ongoing Pew study, Obama has appeared in more news stories this year and more people say they have heard more about him than McCain, the longtime Arizona senator who also ran for president in 2000. Two-thirds of Republicans and about half of independents said they've heard too much about Obama, as did a third of Democrats, a significant number. At the same time, nearly four in 10 said they've been hearing too little about McCain — about four times the number who said so about Obama. About half of Republicans, four in 10 independents and even a quarter of Democrats said they've not heard enough about the GOP candidate. The poll was conducted from Aug. 1-4 and involved telephone interviews with 1,004 adults. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. ___ On the Web: Pew Research Center: http://people-press.org maybe thats why he wants to enter his want in a topless/bottomless stripper beauty pagaent |
Kate 8/6/08 1:00 PM | QUOTE(dragonrider @ Aug 6 2008, 12:08 PM) [snapback]420595[/snapback] maybe thats why he wants to enter his want in a topless/bottomless stripper beauty pagaent There was a youtube video connected to that "beauty pageant". First of all, those women were ugly. Second, I did not view any topless or bottomless women on the video - although they were being judged on a lewd act as part of their pageant.
I can't believe you guys did not watch that video. (can't believe I did watch it - )
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dragonrider 8/6/08 1:46 PM | QUOTE(Kate @ Aug 6 2008, 01:00 PM) [snapback]420633[/snapback] There was a youtube video connected to that "beauty pageant". First of all, those women were ugly. Second, I did not view any topless or bottomless women on the video - although they were being judged on a lewd act as part of their pageant. I can't believe you guys did not watch that video. (can't believe I did watch it -  ) perhaps they sanitized it. There is always nudity attached to that contest along with suggestive dancing and acts with fruits and veggies. Puts a whole new meaning on 4 a day. |
bigstew 8/6/08 9:54 PM | QUOTE(Shawn @ Aug 6 2008, 09:00 AM) [snapback]420472[/snapback]
Read harder.
Later...Shawn
What does that even mean? |
Shawn 8/6/08 10:11 PM | QUOTE(bigstew @ Aug 6 2008, 09:54 PM) [snapback]420955[/snapback] What does that even mean?
The constitution gives the government specific powers. It doesn't always give specific reasons for those powers. For example, the constitution gives the government the power to regulate interstate commerce. As a result of that power, the Sherman Anti-Trust act was passed, which was specifically designed to ensure an even playing field.
Later...Shawn
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dragonrider 8/6/08 10:35 PM | QUOTE(bigstew @ Aug 6 2008, 09:54 PM) [snapback]420955[/snapback] What does that even mean? That means take viagra before you read.
QUOTE(Shawn @ Aug 6 2008, 10:11 PM) [snapback]420960[/snapback]
The constitution gives the government specific powers. It doesn't always give specific reasons for those powers. For example, the constitution gives the government the power to regulate interstate commerce. As a result of that power, the Sherman Anti-Trust act was passed, which was specifically designed to ensure an even playing field.
Later...Shawn
It is also why the NLRB was formed to provide a level playing field between money movers(management) and money makers (labor). |
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