Bailing out big houses

June 24th, 2008 4:35 pm · 25 comments

The U.S. Senate passed a foreclosure rescue bill 83-9, but President Bush is threatening a veto.

It’s a convoluted bill, and I’m going to focus on one aspect. From the Associated Press:

Congressional leaders also are divided on how high to place loan limits that apply to government mortgage insurance and financing. The Senate bill sets those limites at $625,000 while a House-passed version puts them at $730,000 - a crucial difference in high-cost housing markets like California, home to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

I’d like to echo something a colleague said: Why are our tax dollars going toward bailing out someone who bought a $730,000? Anybody else perceive that as a bit excessive?

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  25 comments  Tags: President George W. Bush · Issues: Economy

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Kate
6/24/08
5:47 PM
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Why are our tax dollars going toward bailing out someone who bought a $730,000? Anybody else perceive that as a bit excessive?

Why are our tax dollars going to bail out a $180M downtown project that is still bleeding before the grand opening?? Anybody else perceive that as a bit excessive?? wink.gif

http://newslancpa.blogspot.com/2008/06/cc-...resent-big.html

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The Lancaster County Convention Center Authority has $400,000 in expenses it cannot afford to pay as of May 31, it was reported Monday evening.

The biggest factors in May's deficit are change orders and the Authority having to purchase another year of Builder's Risk Insurance, according to Finance Committee Chair Laura Douglas.

The added insurance was necessary because the construction phase of the project was extended by four and a half months, she explained.

Originally scheduled to be completed by November 2008, the Hotel & Convention Center is now not expected to open until March 2009 due to unforeseen construction issues, including the encountering of rock and water while digging at the site.

Chairman of the Board Art Morris said that the Authority is "absolutely relying on" assurances from State Senator Gib Armstrong of $3.2 million in state grants for the project once the State Senate passes its 2008-2009 budget.

Morris said he has been assured by the Senator that the budget will be acted on "very soon."

Asked whether a portion of state grants are budgeted for Penn Square Partners, Morris responded that he understands that Senator Armstrong is working with Penn Square Partners separately.

runutz
6/24/08
6:03 PM
QUOTE(Kate @ Jun 24 2008, 05:47 PM) [snapback]404691[/snapback]

Why are our tax dollars going to bail out a $180M downtown project that is still bleeding before the grand opening?? Anybody else perceive that as a bit excessive??
Cause it'll make a great shelter for the foreclosed?
dragonrider
6/24/08
6:22 PM
During the bubble middleclass housing was ignored while builders focused on McMansions costing .5M and up. Should government be bailing these people out he11 no. If we can't afford welfare for the poor we sure as he11 can't afford welfare for the rich.
mam0412
6/25/08
9:11 AM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Jun 24 2008, 06:22 PM) [snapback]404698[/snapback]
If we can't afford welfare for the poor we sure as he11 can't afford welfare for the rich.


Quote of the day!! Good one dragonrider!

littledutchboy
6/25/08
9:37 AM
Got news for you $730,000 will not buy much of a home in places like California, it’s a typical one size fits all governmental response. With many people way behind in their payments and negative equity how will they refinance?



PS in PA we spend more on social welfare then anything else even education. We always find a way to “afford it”. Our economic wellbeing is not based on welfare recipients it is based at lest in part on homeownership and the housing market. wink.gif

dee
6/25/08
9:45 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jun 25 2008, 09:37 AM) [snapback]404846[/snapback]
Got news for you $730,000 will not buy much of a home in places like California,




Got news for you, I've been to California visiting many people and they all live comfortably in a lot less than $730K houses. Of course, the people I associate with don't buy more than they can afford if times get tough.

Lysol54
6/25/08
9:51 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jun 25 2008, 09:37 AM) [snapback]404846[/snapback]
Got news for you $730,000 will not buy much of a home in places like California, it's a typical one size fits all governmental response. With many people way behind in their payments and negative equity how will they refinance?

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[size="3"]PS in PA we spend more on social welfare then anything else even education. We always find a way to "afford it". Our economic wellbeing is not based on welfare recipients it is based at lest in part on homeownership and the housing market. wink.gif






Yeah i'm pretty sure that $730,000 will buy you plenty of house in CA. I mean this coming from the guy that has probally never left the state. Since you seem to be making that fact up, how bout you back up your statement about the social welfare with some facts there LDB??

Paul Sweedlepipe
6/25/08
10:21 AM
If anyone wants to listen to an excellent story about how the housing market got so bad, This American Life did a program a couple of weeks ago called "The Giant Pool of Money". I never truly understood how or why it happened until I listened to this program.
You can buy it for $0.95 here:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Epis...spx?episode=355
littledutchboy
6/25/08
10:28 AM
http://www.svdaily.com/realestateprices.html
Lysol54
6/25/08
10:31 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jun 25 2008, 10:28 AM) [snapback]404880[/snapback]




Ok so the median is 429,000, thats 300,000 less than your original statement, plus its the median, there are a lot of houses out ther that are more expensive than that, just look at Malibu, but there are houses a lot cheaper than that too. So once again you really didn't know what you were talking about before you went and spouted off. Still waiting for you facts about the other part of your post. Or did ya just make that up too??

dee
6/25/08
10:54 AM
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jun 25 2008, 10:28 AM) [snapback]404880[/snapback]




I thought you said $730K won't buy you much?!?! Now you are stating the average is in the 400K range?!? Use logic here, there are VERY wealthy areas of California (Malibu, Beverly Hills for example) that would make that average skewed. So, with that FACT, the average is one nice house. Many people could buy a $200K house and be living within their means and be comfortable.

dragonrider
6/25/08
11:37 AM
Can anyone explain to me why a three bedroom house needs three baths and a three car garage. I mean we got along fine with one bath and six kids and a one car garage. How much less would that 750K house have cost with out all the unneccessary bells and whistles that seem so necessary today. Whats the mortgage on a 750K house 3K a month no average person is spending 3K or 4K a month on house payments.
dee
6/25/08
11:49 AM
QUOTE(dragonrider @ Jun 25 2008, 11:37 AM) [snapback]404923[/snapback]
Can anyone explain to me why a three bedroom house needs three baths and a three car garage. I mean we got along fine with one bath and six kids and a one car garage. How much less would that 750K house have cost with out all the unneccessary bells and whistles that seem so necessary today. Whats the mortgage on a 750K house 3K a month no average person is spending 3K or 4K a month on house payments.




Thank you for your voice of reason. Hearing people pity the foreclosure people who are buying these expensive homes when they can't afford them gives me stomach cramps. I must say though. . . six kids one bath? How did you not kill each other? We had one bath, two kids, two adults and I used to have to sabotage my sister's curling iron just so I could pee!!

rottiemom
6/25/08
11:57 AM
Coming from a former Californian who lived in uber pricey San Diego County, you can definitely find more than adequate and safe housing for less than $730K. We bought for $210K and sold for $350K...it was a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 2 car garage in a very nice neighborhood about a mile from the beach, built in the late 1990s.

Another vote for not bailing out the idiots who overspent on their homes.
4coffee
6/25/08
12:09 PM
And another vote for not bailing out the idiots who overspent on their homes.......



Why don't they help out the middle class people make ends meet. Since gas prices have sky rocketed, along with groceries, and everything else, people are struggling including myself and my family.



dragonrider
6/25/08
12:24 PM
You want me to help bail out a person with a 100K house who is struggling to keep the family together I'm there.
littledutchboy
6/25/08
12:32 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:31 AM) [snapback]404883[/snapback]




Ok so the median is 429,000, thats 300,000 less than your original statement, plus its the median, there are a lot of houses out ther that are more expensive than that, just look at Malibu, but there are houses a lot cheaper than that too. So once again you really didn't know what you were talking about before you went and spouted off. Still waiting for you facts about the other part of your post. Or did ya just make that up too??





I wasn’t talking about average home values.

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Statewide, the 10 cities and communities with the highest median home prices in California during February 2008 were: Santa Barbara, $1,150,000; Redwood City, $875,000; Danville, $875,000; Encinitas, $842,500; Santa Monica, $787,000; Mountain View, $784,000; San Clemente, $770,000; San Mateo, $750,000; Sunnyvale, $741,750; San Francisco, $737,750; Carlsbad, $675,000.



These are values after an average 29% decline



[size="3"]Do you think it’s wise to let the upper end of the real estate market twist in the wind? Maybe you think we should punish people that own home above $429,000?




PS Affordability is NOT necessarily linked to the value of the home.



4coffee
6/25/08
12:43 PM
I might get blasted for this but here it goes....kinda off subject but.......

Why is it that the rich are allowed to collect social security? IMO that money could be used to help out the truly needy people.

dee
6/25/08
2:01 PM
QUOTE(4coffee @ Jun 25 2008, 12:09 PM) [snapback]404942[/snapback]
And another vote for not bailing out the idiots who overspent on their homes.......



Why don't they help out the middle class people make ends meet. Since gas prices have sky rocketed, along with groceries, and everything else, people are struggling including myself and my family.







Here is why I don't want to help. A few years ago, when I went to buy my first home I was approved for a large amount of money. I could have gone and bought a house for that amount, it was tempting. HOWEVER, I thought "what if I lost my job? What if there is a recession? What if I fall and break my leg and can't work for six weeks?" Then I went and bought a much less expensive house and put the extra I wasn't paying in mortgage and interest into the bank so now when gas and groceries have gone through the roof, I have money to cover those "surprise" things. I don't want to bail out the greedy people who didn't plan ahead. Not saying you are one of those people, but many are.



QUOTE(littledutchboy @ Jun 25 2008, 12:32 PM) [snapback]404948[/snapback]




I wasn't talking about average home values.

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Statewide, the 10 cities and communities with the highest median home prices in California during February 2008 were: Santa Barbara, $1,150,000; Redwood City, $875,000; Danville, $875,000; Encinitas, $842,500; Santa Monica, $787,000; Mountain View, $784,000; San Clemente, $770,000; San Mateo, $750,000; Sunnyvale, $741,750; San Francisco, $737,750; Carlsbad, $675,000.

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These are values after an average 29% decline



[size="3"]Do you think it's wise to let the upper end of the real estate market twist in the wind? Maybe you think we should punish people that own home above $429,000?


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PS Affordability is NOT necessarily linked to the value of the home.







Since after 3300 posts you still haven't learned that intricate talent of quoting and posting, I have NO IDEA what you just said. If I had to guess, I would think you said, "I was wrong when I said $730,000 doesn't buy you much".

dragonrider
6/25/08
2:09 PM
"]Do you think it's wise to let the upper end of the real estate market twist in the wind? Maybe you think we should punish people that own home above $429,000?

Punish smunish, I just don't think I need to bail out anyone who makes enough money to afford a 750K home. Do I think that high end real estate market should twist in the wind , I think its not the place of government to bail out high end while saying they can't afford to help the poor. I am tired of being taxed while relatively poor to give money to the high end so they can trikle manna back down to me through good jobs. What an effin laugh.

sorry about the font?
Alyssarah1
6/25/08
2:11 PM
QUOTE(rottiemom @ Jun 25 2008, 11:57 AM) [snapback]404938[/snapback]
Another vote for not bailing out the idiots who overspent on their homes.


Add me to the list. Hopefully they'll learn a valuable lesson. I'm tired of paying for the stupid decisions other people make.

anonymouse
6/25/08
3:06 PM
QUOTE(Alyssarah1 @ Jun 25 2008, 02:11 PM) [snapback]404998[/snapback]


Add me to the list. Hopefully they'll learn a valuable lesson. I'm tired of paying for the stupid decisions other people make.





Amen!

Lysol54
6/25/08
3:17 PM
QUOTE(dee @ Jun 25 2008, 02:01 PM) [snapback]404989[/snapback]

Since after 3300 posts you still haven't learned that intricate talent of quoting and posting, I have NO IDEA what you just said. If I had to guess, I would think you said, "I was wrong when I said $730,000 doesn't buy you much".





LMAO, yeah i've always wondered what the hell he does with his posts, his formating is always screwy and he can never quote correctly. As far as him saying he was wrong, i highly doubt that. LDB is never wrong. blink.gif
dee
6/25/08
4:22 PM
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Jun 25 2008, 03:17 PM) [snapback]405037[/snapback]

As far as him saying he was wrong, i highly doubt that. LDB is never wrong. blink.gif


You know I didn't expect him to do it, I just wanted to make people like you laugh. I may have only been posting on here for awhile, but I've been reading his rants for years. The man is never wrong daaa.

Lysol54
6/25/08
4:34 PM
QUOTE(dee @ Jun 25 2008, 04:22 PM) [snapback]405060[/snapback]


You know I didn't expect him to do it, I just wanted to make people like you laugh. I may have only been posting on here for awhile, but I've been reading his rants for years. The man is never wrong daaa.





Oh hes wrong all the time, he just never admits it. biggrin.gif Then spins the whole thing around so much he has no idea what he orginally said. I mean its half comical, and half sad.

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